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Hold the fuck up, Oxy?!?! Now they are plundering the mighty SCIAC ! This will not stand. When the mighty Sagehens have a winning record vs fUCLA, i guess the pac10/12 has to take its sloppy seconds from SCIAC as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by esseff
You know how there used to be the "Power Five Conferences?" I guess the Pac-X is now one of the powerless conferences.
Stanford is even crazier. Only 7800 undergrads compared to 32500 for Cal. And Stanford had 57 olympians (12 current students) at the last summer games. 11.5% of the Stanford student body plays a D1 sport. Thats fucking crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Sagehens cower under the might of Occidental Tigers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcski
Io Triumphe!!!!!!! ('2001)
At least the Whitter Poets didn't make this sad parody.
Where's Claremont Mudd Scripps? These seem like teams that even Wazzu can defeat consistently. :)
Our teams can find a way to Coug anything. Its a lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
This whole thing sucks. There are no more major conferences in 2 of the 4 timezones. It totally and completely fucks over the student athletes on the west coast who play more than 1 game per week. If this was all about football TV rights, why couldnt these schools have just joined the new conferences in football only and left the PAC 12 untouched for all other sports?
Why wouldnt it have made more sense to create conferences and TV deals specific to football, and then leave the current conferences as-is for all other sports?
I firmly believe this is where D1 collegiate sports is heading. Football, and maybe even basketball, will find a way to break away from the NCAA and be its own entity(ies).Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Funny thing was mentioned today, do you know what the most aligned D1 conference has been through all this reshuffling?
The friggin MAC.
That's right, mid-week MACtion has found a way to keep D1 sports rolling in a very unified conference and find a way to get a ABC/ESPN TV deal. I think the key is they're all about the same size, and all a few hundred miles away from eachother. Which just seems like too much common sense anymore.
MAC teams split $10 million between the 12 teams. SEC and Big 10 are over $50 million per school. ACC is around $30 million per school. Most non revenue sports play mainly weekend games. The schools can afford to fly the teams around the country with that kind of money
At a brief glance, softball/baseball are a wed/Thurs and weekend schedule. That's gonna be real rough flying to the East Coast and back twice a week, or alternatively missing wed-fri classes for a full semester. Woof.Quote:
Originally Posted by half-fast
Yeah. I kind of hate all this conference realignment. But a lot of these conferences have pretty big footprints already. It’s not like they’re taking a 3 hour bus ride to away games.
I think this is what needs to happen. If it doesn't the Olympic sports are eventually history.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Yeah, both schools are pretty wild that way for non football or basketball athletics. Or were. Cal was a bit smaller back then. My aforementioned study group was comprised of 8-10 people and at the end of the day (obviously some of these came later on) collectively there was something like 30-35 Olympic medals (mostly swimming and water polo). Granted, Natalie C had 12 of them on her own. My girlfriend and I really brought down the group average with none!Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Anyway, fuck college football.
The resident ND alum here in the office (old joke, how do you know someone went to ND?) just stopped by to talk realignment and said his sources within the athletic department have let it slip that the full-court press they were trying on the ACC to go after Stanford and Cal is dead.
So, do those schools stick with Oregon St and Washington St and go after Mountain West and various UC system schools or do they say fuck it let OSU and WaSt go their own way and Cal and Stanford to independent?
What sux is when some athlete doesn't bother to graduate from Stanford before going pro. That was a spot someone who actually wanted an education could have taken. I'm talking about you Tiger. Maybe if you had taken that senior year class about not boinking cocktail waitresses . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Of course that applies to all colleges but especially to the highly selective ones.
How about if you go pro and don't graduate you pay back your scholarship from your pro earnings.
Or better yet, get rid of sports scholarships and for that matter college sports except for intramurals and self funded club teams. (My kid played Ultimate at Cal--the B team)
Stanford athletics has a very high graduation rate, so not sure they're the best example for this.
https://gostanford.com/news/2022/11/...g-success.aspx
Eldrick did pretty well for himself even without that college degree.
And keep in mind those going pro are the outliers. Scholarships are giving many kids a college education who may not have pursued higher education otherwise.
Big diff from LAX to SeaTac vs LAX to Newark (or Santa Monica to Linden, since really they can use that big media money to fly via corporate aviation terminals or whatever).Quote:
Originally Posted by half-fast
not to mention that Stanford's endowment is doing pretty well too... i dont think they need the extra couple hundred thousand from the small handful of athletes that leave early to go pro.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
More than NIL or the transfer portal clusterfuck, this latest conference realignment is the death knell of traditional college football and the traditional college culture in america. So many 100yr old rivalry games vanished from the schedule in the last 6months. So many people like myself used our alma mater's away games to travel and visit friends in or near those towns every fall. Gone. This just killed so much of college/alumni/fall culture for so many people. Really sucks.
And yet the conference re alignment and Tv money are set up entirely around the outliers, I think this is the heart of the rant!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Maybe it's a coincidence, but the crosswords lately have been using SDSU instead of UCLA for 4 letter socal college.
South Dakota State University is getting more well known.. They even have a campus in SoCal now??
Agreed. It's pretty ridiculous. The NCAA is a bad joke right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
It's go big or go home. Kind of like when the Portugal was able to rule Brazil for some salted cod and a few bottles of shitty port.Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
stanford likes people that drop out and go on to wealth (form a startup) or fame (win medals). It’s not a negative, because higher education isn’t about education. While Stanford has some incredibly bright athletes they’ve also been in the past willing to substantially lower their standards for great athletes (as well as the children of donors)Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Last year of the PAC12 (as is anyways), and they have 5 teams ranked in the Top 25 preseason rankings. Sheesh.
Preseason rankings are how they get people to watch games no one would watch otherwise.
Hang on... so you're saying Tiger should have stuck around instead of going pro to WIN THE MASTERS? One of the most iconic sporting events in the last 50+ years? lol... he was already a huge name before he went to Stanford and the "free ride" he got is kind of a joke - he brought the school so much attention and revenue and all of the other golfers got a free ride because of him. They should have been paying him.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
I like Steve Young’s idea that the NFL should buy college football. Separate it from the ncaa and big whatever’s completely and run it like the development league it is and not just let 40 or fewer schools take all the money.
Then how will all the fans have an attachment to a school they never actually went to?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcski
Presumably, NCAA FB and BB are each worth way, way more TV money than G League, AAA baseball, AHL, etc?
So for that reason alone I don’t see it ever happening.
I don't think Stanford needed a lot more attention. He should have played for Texas or Florida and let some kid who actually cared about an education with no chance of playing pro golf get the scholarship.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
^^^That’s not how it works
Lol, that’s the hot take of the day there, OG.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
PAC2 now.
Fucking ACC! Will be cool for basketball but not much else.
Big tv sports wise, sure, but some of the ACC schools have very large athletic departments and very good teams. UNC-CH has almost double the number athletes of the Ducks. Women’s soccer? Soccer it’s 8 of the last 10 champions for men and 5 of 10 for women with the addition of Stanford (combined with notre dame in 2021), 18 of the last 20 women’s championship games had at least one team from the new ACC.
I'm done watching D1 sports except for T&F and Lacrosse. This naked money grubbing is gross.
As a diehard Coug fan and supporter, I'm feeling gutshot. Unbelievable that we could end up here, turned on by our PAC 12 brethren. I am holding out hope that somehow we and the Beavs can ressurect the Pac in some form with an Apple deal for a streaming media deal and show these pricks that we're not dead yet.
Steal the strongest teams from the Mountain West, do to it what it did to the WAC. Television Darwinism of COLLEGIATE athletic conferences [emoji1750]
Watching some late night WAC football back in the day was a good time. Pull the defense off the field and put up a shit ton of points, I swear some of those teams were throwing passes during time outs.
I remember a game back in early-mid 90s between Utah and Colorado State.
Both were ranked in top ten.
At halftime, score was something like 17-14, and I was impressed. Was thinking "these teams can actually play some D".
Then the third quarter started, and both teams fell back into the typical WAC wackiness.
Final score was something like 48-45.
Fuck yeah. Oregon, USC, and UW all proved themselves to me for why they are on my most hated list.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldMember