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Any chance you could measure the step height? Mounting flat would increase ramp a bit, curious how much.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
https://www.skitalk.com/attachments/...12-jpg.159371/
Interesting: https://www.skitalk.com/threads/look...9/#post-409903
If you slarve or brush turn - pivots (not me)
If you rail STH2 WTR
Looks like ~3mm as best as I can measure. R22 Plate toe ~13.5mm, heel 10.5mmQuote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
if you really rail and slarve and ski everything in between jester pros. Lol. See ya tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
Wow, quite a bit. I'll check ramp and see if the 3mm difference affects AFD contact when mounted flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcpnz
Gripwalk toe baseplates have higher AFD's, which could help compensate.
Jesters are trash, STH4life. Or if you’re legit, Rockerace.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
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FWIW the Race catalogs on Issuu specify stack heights for Rockerace toe and heel with R22 plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000-oaks
https://issuu.com/rossignol.sk/docs/...atalog_2223_1_
Toe / heel:
27.6 / 31.2 for SPX 15 / PX 18 rockerace
30.5 /31.2 for SPX 12 rockerace
I'm guessing without the negative delta on the plate the positive delta of the binding would be way excessive (edit - my terminology might be backwards - is heel to toe drop positive or negative ???)
I've never bothered comparing rockerace to the regular SPX but starting to wonder if the race heel is a lot higher - God knows theres enough of both 12 and 15 rockerace and regular 12 spx in my garage I could take a look sometime.
Actually without the plate, the Rockerace sounds about same ramp as OG STH, with is great for non-race boots with directional skis.
I think I see more broken Pivots than any other modern binding. Almost always half moons and brake mechanisms, which can be replaced, but it's notably more than others. We keep those parts in stock, and it's wild how quickly we burn thru them. If I see a ripper's skis with Pivots come in for a re-mount, 4 times out of 5 they are getting some new hardware in the heel piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwat
As for me I'm on STH2s for all my resort rigs. Skis quite well (Pivot is arguably smoother), but way easier to step into, less finicky, and more durable.
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Originally Posted by bennettc14
jesters are trash. Jester pros are not.
regardless trash binding work for my white trash ass.
the screw pattern is pretty concentrated in one spot so how about pullouts ?Quote:
Originally Posted by knarrrr
I've definitely seen more pullouts on Pivots, but usually would blame ski construction in those cases, like the Faction Candide era skis that were just built too light. I think with a solid mount the pattern shouldn't be an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I have Pivots on all but my touring skis. Combo of 12's with the plastic SPX toe and metal 15's. Never broken any of them, also never released from a Pivot. Coincidence, maybe.
I just picked up some bargain STH2's and my shop tech (who rips and is very knowledgeable) wants me to try Strive 16's on my new skis. He thinks the ramp angle is going to be good for my skiing. So, Looks (pun intended) like I'm giving Salomon a chance.
FWIW, I have run SPX's without issue, though I have released from them at my standard Pivot DIN's. Could be purely coincidence.
What I'm not grasping is why look is offering the Rockerace clamps with gripwalk AFD's (clearly not for racing) but only with the skinny brakes????? No options for wider brakes. This logic does not seem logical to me....maybe I'm just stupid.
Race coaches in grip walk boots that won't ski other bindings?
I'm in p18s at 11 strictly for durability. Have broken multiple baseplates, however.
Probably so they can use the same toe for rockerace, pivots and spx and therefore reduce parts and sku’sQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
Is there some downside to the grip walk compatible afd with 5355 soles??
Why so many broken baseplates and pullouts, I wonder if maybe that dildo sticking up there acts like a big lever to break things ??
My first set of skis had look 37's with a turntable and I thot they worked pretty good
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
I could actually give 2 shits about the short mounting pattern... I'm not sold on that part.
But I want a 15 din metal toe and a normal spx heel with wide brakes available.
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Maybe I missed this but is the strive ramp flat? Or flatter than the sth2?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
I think Bandit posted about this earlier and it's pretty much the same as the warden... so pretty flat,Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
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Why are pros better?Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
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I could give 2 shits about that ^^ Im just wondeing why a shop guy sez they break more ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
As far as I can tell they are the same as STH2's. I like my flat Pivot's but he is pushing me to trying a binding with some ramp. Why the Strive over another STH2? Good question. I'm not really paying for them, and there isn't much info on the Strive out there yet. Maybe he wants me to be his beta tester on them (I know he is skiing the Strive now). They're going on heavy skis, so weight isn't a concern of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Edit: Salomon claims a lower center of gravity makes the Strive feel closer to the ski. Like a Shift. Marketing BS? Probably..... Again, as far as I can tell, same ramp angle as STH2. Same heal piece (on the 16 anyway) as the STH2. I should see them by middle next week.
The brake mechanism on the Pivot is less refined and less reinforced than others, and that's an issue when landing switch. As you lean forward on the landing you work into the heel elastisity and the brakes extend as the boot goes up. When they catch on the snow the brakes tend to break, or transfer the forces into the base plate and you see cracked half moons.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Part of this issue is that the majority of ripping skiers in the know tend to be on Pivots, so you just see more issues anyway.
Interesting. In typical fashion that does not line up with what their own tech video states. The Strive is supposed to have a lower center of gravity based upon placement of the toe spring and mass, but delta is supposed to be the same. I should have some next week that I can compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Edit to correct ramp to delta. Hopefully using correct terminology here. I'm about to go down a rabbit hole of angles and delta with a new to me bootfitter that thinks I should try some new things out.
Not sure what boots he wants me to try, but he wants me to try the Strive's from my usual Pivots. I've found that I can adapt to most positions after a few days, so this be a curious experiment.
I think ramp is more appropriate than delta (which implies an answer expressed in degrees), but as long as the differential is stated in millimeters I'm fine with either. Obviously the angle in degrees has to be qualified with a boot sole length. It's pretty hard to accurately measure toe/heel heights on the ski but I think the Strive 16 (if it is +5mm) should be the same as your Pivots. Let us know.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
makes sence ^^ thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by knarrrr
more metal, metal towers on the heel, more metal in the toe.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
I rode park a lot in my younger days but wasn't all that good at it. Consequently, I ate my fair amount of shit and regularly broke bindings. Jester Pros were the first binding I owned that never broke.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
You either mistyped or your source should not be trusted.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Strive = +5mm
STH2 WTR = +6mm
STH alpine = +6mm
STH2 MNC = +4mm
And the correct term for the above is delta.
My bad, you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam
I've always done very well with the Look SPX or equivalent. (The non-turntable Look...they change the name every few years, but it's the same heelpiece and binding.)
It doesn't have any of the issues of the turntable, it has the multidirectional toepiece, and the heel has nearly as much elastic travel while being much easier to adjust, swap brakes, and so on.
The only drawback is that it's not multinorm, just Gripwalk, so you're out of luck with touring boots.
I've always been able to run Looks about 1 DIN lower than other bindings.
Markers have that heel thing. To get forward pressure set correctly, you have to push the heelpiece forward so your boot barely goes in, the dildo has to be laying down on the ski all the way open, and a bit of snow in the binding messes up everything. The full touring frame bindings seem to be less prone to this than the resort bindings, though they have their own snow issues in touring mode.
In my long experience, Tyrolias are very sensitive to forward pressure.
If it's not set correctly, especially if it's slightly loose, you'll prerelease constantly.
I've had no troubles with my Attacks so far, likely because I know this from experience and I took the time to set forward pressure right after I mounted them. But I haven't thrashed them on chunky bulletproof yet, so I can't give them a full vote of confidence.
:rolleyes2 I'm laughing because my change in terminology was from an old thread that gregl contributed to... carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam
My new skis are in. I'll mount up some Strive 16's this week and see if I can feel a change from Pivots. Previously I said that I had never come out of my Pivots. Of course that changed this weekend. Not a hard crash, but messing around in the park on some rails.
Another upside of pivots that I figured out:
If you're mounting your brand new skis, but you're kinda not paying attention, and you're drinking some beer, and your 2 year old is "helping," and you put your template on and drill your holes, only to then realize you put the fucking template on backwards and you're gonna be skiing switch permanently, the pivot heel is far enough forward that it doesn't conflict with your toe holes when you re-drill the holes facing the right direction. So that's a nice feature.
Not to detract from that undeniably excellent feature, but an update to your SOP of "tips to the left, always" would have fixed that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Pretty sure having that hardwired has saved me from making a similar mistake while mounting skis under the influence of beer and, uh, other stuff.
That was at least part of my fuck up. Set it down one way, picked it up, set it back down the other way.Quote:
Originally Posted by HAB
In my defense, the skis have a very similar tip and tail profile and the graphics don't really help with directional orientation. And the two year old was hitting my wife's car with a bike pump.
That does sound distracting. At least it was only one of the two year olds?Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Correct. The shop is cold and dirty and there's not a lot of dancing involved, so the other one stayed upstairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HAB
as a parent,
this is 100% excusable.
Good on you for bringing them to the garage.
I spend a lot of time with my skis off having safety meetings in the woods, that being said I’ve never had a problem stepping into my bindings in deep snow, I mean no more with markers then I had with pivots. In fact the markers feel like they hold you in better then a pivot if you do have snow on your heel. I think it’s more of a mental thing then anything. I run a 13-14 din so I know that no matter what, I need to step with some force.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats