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Everyone already has aidsQuote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
No, just a list. You'd be surprised who's on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
I mean sure it’s bad, but 2nd degree doesn’t even move the needle on the 0 to Larry Nassar scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
If someone has paid his debt to society and is following all the rules afterwards, and you have a problem with that, maybe *you* should move.
Same with the property. If you and your neighbors didn’t want it developed, you had the last 30 years to buy it and protect it. You chose to let it sit and now if you have a problem with someone legally developing it, you should just move rather than telling someone else what to do with their property.
HFS people this isn’t hard.
If directed at me, that's a big whoosh.
Alcoholics shouldn't live across the street from liquor stores.
Doesn't sound like he's following all the rules to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
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Originally Posted by basinbeater
Recently arrested…didn’t say convicted. Innocent until proven guilty. I’m sure just a big misunderstanding. Hold your horses parents. Just pulling your chain.
But since the topic came up and I’ve never looked, there’s nine rapers and three kiddie porn dudes within a mile of me. All seemingly old enough to not be able to chase down much and convictions in the 80s. Still gross.
Well, thanks for fucking up my ignorant and blissful weekend. Off to grill and figure out a salad from the garden like I was going to before the research.
Can't tell how steep that is. Given the fault, Ima guess it's steep and not that stable, and those properties on the top are already on borrowed time. Rustle up some articles on slides and slumps and the resulting broken houses and deaths. There was one north of Seattle a few years ago, that stirred up the media, but there's lots of examples. Use those to rile up the neighbors for support. Also bring in the atmospheric rivers topic. Usually it's one of those that gets the dormant slides moving again.
I know nothing, but geotech may be the best way to scare this off. Convince folks the land is unsuitable for development. It probably is. And regardless of development, learn the signs so you know when to move, before your house is in that drainage with another house on top.
Good point. There was a big one in Boise a few years ago. Can’t remember how many million dollar houses were a total loss, maybe 5-7. Still might be tied up in court.
Utah is legislated by home builders and land developers. Good luck.
Also, I think people knew this was a bad idea, but property rights and all: https://www.ksl.com/article/31008703...t-crushed-home
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Originally Posted by LongShortLong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Oso_mudslide
https://www.usgs.gov/news/featured-s...-oso-landslide
https://www.usgs.gov/news/featured-s...ide-washington
Oso is just above the confuence of Deer Creek and the Stillaguamish River. Deer Creek used to be a major spawning ground for steelhead for which the North Fork of the Stilly was reknown and storied by Zane Grey and Roderick Haig-Brown. Logging in the area caused major landslides into Deer Creek, destroying the fishery.
https://nwasianweekly.com/2014/04/my...ental%20lesson.
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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...d.php?t=275974
This happened in my old neighborhood in 2008
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/...s_into_2n.html
Due to leaking irrigation undermining the soil IIRC
These were not starter homes.
Different climate and soils than SLC but you get the point
Lawsuit city!
They wouldn't allow marijuana stores within a block of schools up here
which is confusing cuz everybody knows the best places to score weed is schools or prisons
They don't want the competition
Wow ur a piece of shitQuote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
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If you don't want it it built buy it otherwise stfu
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Thanks for the advice buddy. Have a nice day.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher
it’s really a failure of michigan, indiana, missouri, etc, to market properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizz
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well this got derailed and shit
here is what you can and cannot do
if a few other "developers" have passed on the site then work needed to stabilize and build outweighs the profit duh?
so......... does this clown have the money needed to pull this project off?
in all my highly proffessional life I have come across a million "talkers" people who are so full of shit and don't have a nickle to make those dreams reality but will sell themselves on you all day long and how they are going to build a massive dildo but they can't get it out of there ass
there are millions of half finished jacked up projects all across this great country cause people had big ideas but no cash man
there is nothing you can do, he has rights to his property just like you and me so let it go ok?
they bulldozed a private forrest park with bike trails and great places for my dog to shit it was right out my front door and they built a bunch of 2 or 3 miiilon dollar houeses those bastards as they finished up I didn't like their drainage work so started raising a stink sure enough the approved plans and completed work (gasp) weren't even close they didn't follow the plans at all
I pointed it all out to the powers that be and the good ole boy network was in full swing with these people
sure enough two weeks later a new set of plans were approved with all the "as built" work
they had some cut rate bullshit engineer and I know his calcs wouldn't have passed the sniff test
but I let it go
what you can do:
request copies of the engineering this is all public record once it is submitted for review
maybe have one or two other engineering companies (not a bro or a bud) a randome company review their work
do not tresspass at all
observe the work as being completed make notes if things are not completed per plans, use a drone use binoculars, take photos
observe the work being done
check the red line prints as well as local codes
are silt screens in place as noted on the plans
construction fencing
you name it check and double check
then start turning him in for everything
the planning/engineering/building dept will hate you cause you are making their life difficult always be nice and understanding
read the room if you start to be a dick back off govt employees want people to jerk them off
my guess is is 250k worth or retaining walls excavation and drainage to do it properly
my guess is the clown has only 90k to do the work if that
Is there even a view from where the home is to be sited? What price range do homes in this area sell for? I'm wondering if this guy's plan makes any financial sense at all. He may well just sink beneath the waves as Fred suggests. But he'll probably leave a big ugly unstable mess if he does. The only way to definitely avoid that is to buy it from him.
Fastfred for the mf'in win.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
Yeah Fred, that's basically the plan i think. We've determined that despite the dude saying he owns it, he has not yet bought, and is actually under contract and in the due diligence stage. So he really hasn't gotten any further than past attempts over the last 30 years. I've seen 4 or 5 other attempts putting it under contract and then backing out.
He was up there personally in an excavator digging trenches at the base of the hills (steep part that need to be graded for the 5 lot plan) and he said he was doing the geotechnical analysis work. He's of course allowed to do that, but I'm pretty sure the geotechnical work would need to be done by an independent party, or at least have a city person there to monitor if he is doing the work himself. How can he get up there himself in his own excavator and do his own digging and his own report. No way that should be a valid submission, correct?
In the permit section of salt lake city, the planning permit shows correspondence from the city stating that the city is very skeptical of the development potential for 5 lots.
The city said...
"The existing grade study that you sent should be a strong indication to you and your team regarding the development potential of the subject lot. In short, the development potential is extremely limited. I don't see at this point, based on city development standards noted below, the potential for more than the existing lot."
"You included a grading plan in the correspondence that you sent. Just to be very clear, you cannot grade the property to meet slope requirements. The existing grade determines the developability of the parcel."
Yes, saw this bigly in my last 'hood. Not fun. Haven't read any of the rest of the thread per TGR tradition, but good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
Fred started you down the correct path to killing a risky development, but turned off course.
Find the source of the construction financing. Find their surety. Find their insurance company. Make sure they're aware of the issues with the site, the potential costs and potential future liabilities. Figure out a way to place a preliminary construction lien notice on the development (not sure how that goes in UT, but in CA it is possible for damn near anyone to file a prelim notice). If the drainage and slope stabilization aren't up to the permitted plans, file a lien and they can't sell/subdivide until it is cleared. Make sure the financing, surety and insurance all know you're filing a preliminary notice. Watch the deal disappear if the plan is half baked.
I'm not buying that he's a licensed engineer (necessary for the geotech report), a successful developer, and a convicted rapist.Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
He probably reached out to a geotech, found out how much they cost and how far out they're booked and rented a mini excavator to scratch around. If that's his due diligence I'd be surprised if this project ever goes vertical.
He has a history of doing multiple single family home developments, including getting entitlements, subdividing, and building, then selling the homes. So i think he kind of knows what he is doing. He is definitely a SO convict, and has been convicted on multiple occasions of failing to register as a SO. Most recently in February of this year.
But doing your own geotech would be a conflict of interest, "hey what ya know, of course it's good to go!". And it was definitely him up there with his employees digging around.
Ultimately, someone will do a single family up there (it'd be nice if it were a non-convicted rapist that moves in), but the subdivide plans and multiple house plans and all the grading should be of massive concern to all surrounding homeowners given the slopes and fault line involved.
I suspect the project will die on the vine, as it has so many times before, but vigilance is required. Just needs to slip through a sleepy planner once...
Getotech reports typically need to be stamped, and to my knowledge always need to be done by an engineer. However, in order for that engineer to inspect the soil the contractor or owner often excavates a pit for them to inspect.
Sounds like that is what is happening. Which is normal.
There yo go. We call this an "open hole". Our local soils engineers wear white oxford shirts. Somebody has to dig a hole for them to peer into and sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWG
That slide didn’t slow down developing the rest of that hillside. Those seven figure homes above the gravel pit now have 30’+ retaining walls. But the sweet view of the freeway and refineries is no doubt worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zion zig zag
That neighborhood was always a mystery to me. I mean the view blows, but all the pollution wafting up into your home with the din of the freeway below?Quote:
Originally Posted by alias_rice
Every time I drive by I wonder wtf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
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Geotech is black magic because of so many unknown variables in the equation. There is a reason they put big-ass factors of safety on their designs. Nearly all failures of designed slopes and walls that ive seen and been around have resulted from illicit drainage from neighbors, broken/failed drainage that was actually planned and designed, or some fluke weather event or hidden soil layer that was not discovered during exploration. A slope which has has a geotech eval or design done to it is gonna be a fuckload safer than a slope that has naturally occured and is in a state of constant natural erosion.
My first suggestion of sprinkling a few arrowheads around the site before an inspector shows up is still the best way to shut a project down.
In small town USA, I'll add to the list:
Half assed engineers that will stamp anything
Shitty excavators chasing a check that just fucking wing it
Building inspectors that don't know what they are doing
Glass always full homebuyers and realtors that wouldn't know a construction defect if it poured them another glass of rose on a sunny patio at three in the afternoon
Yep, 26 house on a portion of a 17 acre lot (1/3 used for detention and “preserving nature”) that we used to consider our extended back yard. If I tried real hard, I bet I could hit a couple with one of those vortex footballs from my back deck. Big, ugly cubes stacked on top of each other. Pretty cheap looking houses despite the insane price some of those folks paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
We made some early attempts to slow things down but to the developer’s credit, they followed the rules, left a larger than required buffer at the back of my and my neighbor’s property, and talking to the guys doing the site work, seemed to make some efforts to limit their impact on us. Sometimes there’s no stopping progress, so gotta just look on the bright side, they cleared a view of the mountains and built us an all-sidewalk route to the park and pool.
What basinbeater is describing doesn’t really sound the same to me, and having had the displeasure of working with the powers-that-be where he lives, I’d say he has some cause for concern. The perv neighbor part is, IMO, a separate issue and should be handled as such.
In CA it is not a conflict of interest to stamp your own plans or reports, and I don't think it is in UT either. I'd be surprised if it was. But by stamping the plans, they become the Engineer-of-Record for the project, and that carries for responsibility for the adequacy and accuracy of the design with criminal liability terms for whatever happens if he is faking it (no limit of personal liability). Engineers that stamp plans regularly carry personal liability insurance policies to cover just this, but that just stops you from going bankrupt. You can still land in jail. The stamp bears a very real responsibility and is not taken lightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by basinbeater
If you know the dudes name, you can check if he has a stamp right here: https://secure.utah.gov/llv/search/index.html
My firm carries the liability insurance, though i could still be criminally responsible for a negligently crappy design. Liability is a bitch, and is why i NEVER cut corners, though i will round them off within reason as long as its good engineering design and "meets the spirit of the code".Quote:
Originally Posted by Not DJSapp
It is interesting how fast n' loose some areas play with design and construction, while other areas (like the metro where i work mostly) have crazy amounts of jurisdictional oversight and regulation. hell, its crazy to see the level of design put into single family residential projects (usually minimal) compared to commercial developments (a lot).
Maybe because the owners of commercial developments have the resources to sue and the owners of single family houses don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Combo of that and larger commercial developments dont have the cookie cutter, seen it before thing going on like with a development from Pulte/DR Horton/Toll Bros so you have to hold the contractors hand a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat