If only there was something we could do...

Good shit.

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Steve Kerr…wow:

https://youtu.be/vPvf5RgCU08

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Violent crime has seen an uptick since the pandemic started, but before that it has been dropping since the peak in the late 80s.

Sadly cops in schools are more often predatory towards the kids than they are protectors, involving them in the legal system unnecessarily.

Gun control is probably the single most divisive issue in the US these days, during a time in which we need unity and less division.

Again, violent crime has been dropping for a long time, which does not seem like the case if you watch the news. Sure there are things to be done, but there has been an improving trend for a while, and further solutions should be considered as not being unequivocally good. There is a lot of room for improvement in the care of mentally ill.

Almost all mass shooters are on a cocktail of multiple meds, which aren't well enough understood. Anti psychotics sometimes make people who aren't violent start being violent. They prescribe them as a lot more than just anti psychotics.

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Word salad verbal diarrhea nonsense.

We’ll just add this to the long list of recent posts you’ve had to walk back once your narcissistic “everybody is gonna wanna here my 4 paragraph hot take on this” stream of consciousness got called out for what it is.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Yeah, this idea just offends me. It doesn't address the root cause which is easy access to guns by maniacs. If they can't get into schools they'll just shoot up something else. THE solution must be gun control to address gun violence. How is that not obvious to everyone?

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Offends you?

What can your community do tomorrow? To not throw everything possible at this problem, now that’s offensive.

Lots of retired cops and sheriffs who’d work that job for 30k a yr.

Waiting on politicians is insane.


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Up to 21 killed.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Fuck you

Freedom is not having your kid murdered in school as a direct result of not being well regulated.

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Hey man, I think you've misinterpreted my post. What I am saying is that Freedom is, for everyone in this country living today, a reality that is indeed a direct result of not having a particular well regulated freedom.

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Originally Posted by The AD

Yeah, this idea just offends me. It doesn't address the root cause which is easy access to guns by maniacs. If they can't get into schools they'll just shoot up something else. THE solution must be gun control to address gun violence. How is that not obvious to everyone?

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Your point is Good and you've made it well, AD - but., we can only do what we can do. The pro-gun lobby is still Very strong.

we can make schools safer - Not by staffing them like prisons, but by restricting access
( concretejungle says his access was restricted thirty years ago. )

so we can start there --


sorry Schuss, no sale. I 'll come back to this if I need to
( the divergent approaches of the administrations in 1993 and 2019 ,,, could hardly be more dis-similar ) ;
my brief review of sources available claim the rate of gun violence has declined, while the number of incidence reported is largely unchanged.

And the purpose of this post is to acknowledge AD's post - and offer, let's try to do what we can. make schools safer.

tj

If that wasn't unclear before, it is now.

NRA meeting in Houston, with Cruz and Trump as blood on hands speakers there.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Violent crime has seen an uptick since the pandemic started, but before that it has been dropping since the peak in the late 80s.

Sadly cops in schools are more often predatory towards the kids than they are protectors, involving them in the legal system unnecessarily.

Gun control is probably the single most divisive issue in the US these days, during a time in which we need unity and less division.

Again, violent crime has been dropping for a long time, which does not seem like the case if you watch the news. Sure there are things to be done, but there has been an improving trend for a while, and further solutions should be considered as not being unequivocally good. There is a lot of room for improvement in the care of mentally ill.

Almost all mass shooters are on a cocktail of multiple meds, which aren't well enough understood. Anti psychotics sometimes make people who aren't violent start being violent. They prescribe them as a lot more than just anti psychotics.

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I’m anti SSRI’s, and my last two girlfriends were giving that junk to their kids. People have no idea how powerful some of that shit is. It’s a complete roll of the dice if it will help or hurt a kid. Kids miss doses, go on and off them on a whim. When a my ex and her shri k sat me down and suggested my son go on them I said “sure, with a court order”. 8 yrs later he is damn perfect t without them and graduated tonight.

Fuck ass holes who shirk their responsibilities to parent and just drug their kids.


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I’m a gun owner. I’d feel like we’d live in a more free society if innocent people didn’t have to worry about getting shot than I do about my right to bear arms.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

I’m anti SSRI’s, and my last two girlfriends were giving that junk to their kids. People have no idea how powerful some of that shit is. It’s a complete roll of the dice if it will help or hurt a kid. Kids miss doses, go on and off them on a whim. When a my ex and her shri k sat me down and suggested my son go on them I said “sure, with a court order”. 8 yrs later he is damn perfect t without them and graduated tonight.

Fuck ass holes who shirk their responsibilities to parent and just drug their kids.


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You get that when these murderers are not on any medications then the system (police, courts, teachers, medicine licensing boards, parents of hurt/dead kids, armchair maggot psychiatrists) ask "Why wasn't this mentally ill person on treatment?! Where were the professionals? I'm calling my lawyer!" (and by "get that" I mean you clearly don't)

To which you might say "yeah but treat them don't drug them" - easy to say - and if that is what you think please continue and explain exactly what that would look like. Court mandated therapy? Forced admission to psych ward but no medications.....for what....forced therapy? Please post up how successful these are if that's your solution.

I'm not saying SSRIs or antipsychotics are the answer. But it's fucking weaksauce to blame the meds - especially with your thankfully positive N=1 anecdote. Drugs are the new "violent video games" hand waving excuse from self styled experts who listen to Tom Cruise and Gweneth Paltrow and Jenny McCarthy for medical advice.

At this point, just keep the American flags at half mast indefinitely.

I remember meeting a young american while camping probably in the 70's and when he told us he was a security guard in an L.A. HS we all all laughed cuz we just couldn't fathom it but we wouldn't laugh now

If the shooters were not able to acess children in schools due to increased security wouldn't they just go to a shopping mall instead ?

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Originally Posted by bennymac

You get that when these murderers are not on any medications then the system (police, courts, teachers, medicine licensing boards, parents of hurt/dead kids, armchair maggot psychiatrists) ask "Why wasn't this mentally ill person on treatment?! Where were the professionals?" (and by "get that" I mean you clearly don't)

To which you might say "yeah but treat them don't drug them" - easy to say - and if that is what you think please continue and explain exactly what that would look like. Court mandated therapy? Forced admission to psych ward but no medications.....for what....forced therapy? Please post up how successful these are if that's your solution.

I'm not saying SSRIs or antipsychotics are the answer. But it's fucking weaksauce to blame the meds - especially with your thankfully positive N=1 anecdote. Drugs are the new "violent video games" hand waving excuse from self styled experts who listen to Tom Cruise and Brooke Shields and Jenny McCarthy for medical advice.

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It’s a band aid, no one wants to put in the time. Just sedate them then, better than rolling the dice on the latest SSRI with a advertising campaign. Obviously, we’re going to always have shitty parents, and all we can really do is get rid of the guns. But, the entire industry is a joke. Drug dealers.

I saw my gf’s 14 yr old girl lie in bed for a weak as that shit tweaked her brain. She said she was tripping hard. The doctor said just give it time. My God!

It’s illegal to drug kids like in the UK.


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( I'll come back to this )


revised, May 25, 2022 -

I opened this post to rebut the post that claims "murdeerer" should be 'medicated' so they can circulate in society -

no. we have prisons for murderers. and mental health institutions for the mentally ill who pose risk of murder.


the pendulum swings -
usofa is currently in a far swing, where the perceived Right of the individual is given great privilege to the Responsibility to society.

drugging ten year old boys is not the solution.
I played football. and then I had an after-school job. and then I got serious about 'school' -

drugging ten year old boys is not the solution.


we can make schools safer - by restricting access --

we might be able to limit future access to weapons designed for killing people.


my Condolences to any affected by these killings. (tj)

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Great Respect for Steve Kerr.


tj

Drugging isn't exactly treating necessarily. Its sometimes treating the symptoms not the disease and its sometimes just creating a reliable customer base who is dependent on your products.

Your whole post is creating a binary either or issue, in reality drugs are often given in leu of decent therapy and actual treatment.

As far as I know, no prescription drugs have shown any ability to have actually curative effects in regards to mental illness except psilocybin, and I guess supposedly ketamine.

This is the same system that created the opioid epidemic. Not sue why its America's darling sacred cow that is verboten to criticize because God and The (Bought and Paid for) Science



I've seen multiple people get sold a cocktail of daily meds and not have it work out well. They can increase psychosis and dissiociation etc.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I remember meeting a young american while camping probably in the 70's and when he told us he was a security guard in an L.A. HS we all all laughed cuz we just couldn't fathom it but we wouldn't laugh now

If the shooters were not able to acess children in schools due to increased security wouldn't they just go to a shopping mall instead ?

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They're alien beings Al.

Wow! News says the kid was being pursued before he went into school. That’s why he wrecked his truck.


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Texas has no permits required, "constitutional carry", etc? You're simply not a criminal until the moment you kill someone? Any how many people in Texas alone are armed? Do they have restraining orders? Drunk driving citations? Are the guns secured? Do we know how many guns they have or how much ammo?

It doesn't sound good.

Governments have killed a lot more people than civilian mass shooters, by a ridiculous margin.

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They're alien beings Al.

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that was the late 70's but its something one remembers clearly

I love the Steve Kerr rant.

If they try to do a moment of silence at the game I hope he, and many more, scream the entire time at the top of their lungs till they have no voice left, just a long agonizing painful scream.
because that's what the victims deserve, loud voices screaming over the agony for change.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Drugging isn't exactly treating necessarily. Its sometimes treating the symptoms not the disease and its sometimes just creating a reliable customer base who is dependent on your products.

Your whole post is creating a binary either or issue, in reality drugs are often given in leu of decent therapy and actual treatment.

As far as I know, no prescription drugs have shown any ability to have actually curative effects in regards to mental illness except psilocybin, and I guess supposedly ketamine.

This is the same system that created the opioid epidemic. Not sue why its America's darling sacred cow that is verboten to criticize because God and The (Bought and Paid for) Science



I've seen multiple people get sold a cocktail of daily meds and not have it work out well. They can increase psychosis and dissiociation etc.

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"As far as I know"

gotcha thanks for saying this - helps us put your whole post in perspective

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Originally Posted by bennymac

"As far as I know"

gotcha thanks for saying this - helps us put your whole post in perspective

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I am all ears if you have an example to the contrary?

No, well then your post has less value than mine.

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"As far as I know"

gotcha thanks for saying this - helps us put your whole post in perspective

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If you could refrain from quoting his inane drivel that would be great.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

It’s a band aid, no one wants to put in the time. Just sedate them then, better than rolling the dice on the latest SSRI with a advertising campaign. Obviously, we’re going to always have shitty parents, and all we can really do is get rid of the guns. But, the entire industry is a joke. Drug dealers.

I saw my gf’s 14 yr old girl lie in bed for a weak as that shit tweaked her brain. She said she was tripping hard. The doctor said just give it time. My God!

It’s illegal to drug kids like in the UK.


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Please kindly fuck off with this ignorant anti-SSRI bullshit.

I personally benefit from taking them, and know several others who do as well. Never ‘tripped balls’, never felt as if my brain was ‘tweaked’, but do cope much better when I’m on them than off - things just feel a bit better, stressful situations are a bit less so. Wish I had of started them much earlier in life instead of in my 30’s.

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I am all ears if you have an example to the contrary?

No, well then your post has less value than mine.

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Your post isn't examples - it's just ill informed opinions vomited onto a page - which is your MO around here.

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Originally Posted by concretejungle

If you could refrain from quoting his inane drivel that would be great.

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Sorry! I forgot that smarter people than me not only refrain from engaging with this self styled expert in all things but also have him on ignore. I'll stop the quoting

Gun cucks talking like they aren't part of the problem while buying guns and ammo and memberships that fund perpetual lobbying against any reform is all-time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkD4xSqNVII



When my children's eyes look at me and they ask me to explain
It hurts me that I have to look away
The powers that be are in for shame and comeuppance
When Generation Lockdown has their day
They'll throw the bums all out and drain the swamp for real
Perp walk them down the Capitol steps and show them how it feels
Tramp the dirt down, Jesus, you can pray the rod they'll spare
Stick it up your ass with your useless thoughts and prayers
Stick it up your ass with your useless thoughts and prayers

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Governments have killed a lot more people than civilian mass shooters, by a ridiculous margin.

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Thanks for clarifying to anyone who hasn’t figured out yet that you are not serious about this problem.

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Originally Posted by Cono Este

I’m anti SSRI’s, and my last two girlfriends were giving that junk to their kids...

Fuck ass holes who shirk their responsibilities to parent and just drug their kids.

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Yet... they were your girlfriends

So is it fuck those people or fuck those people.

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Death toll now at 21 - 19 children, teacher, shooter.

(Trained) good guys with guns unable to bring down shooter before entering building.
https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...55082914725888

Body armor. Assault rifle. Parents are providing DNA swabs so children whose bodies have been shattered and mutilated into unrecognizable forms by a military weapon can be identified. How cool of us to allow this equipment to be purchased in the USofA so grown men can cosplay GI Joe.

We all get a pass in confronting these events with the sanitized news coverage. Shooters turn these schools/clubs/stores/concerts into warzones, and none of us at home have to confront the horrific imagery. Wonder if things would be different if we did, ala Emmett Till.

About a month ago I started a conversation on FB with a man running for congress on a MAGA ticket. Iraq vet as a medic. Purple Heart. Currently a detective on Long Island near NYC. He asked me for input to about any issues I'd like to discuss. I said "Let's see if we can agree on one thing, Fewer guns would mean fewer gun deaths". He never answered, I didn't press but the conversations continued.

So, can anyone disagree that fewer guns would mean fewer gun deaths? Seems like a good place to start.

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If the shooters were not able to acess children in schools due to increased security wouldn't they just go to a shopping mall instead ?

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Gotta start somewhere, I think the kids are worth it.

This whataboutism is just a shitty road block.

“If we can’t change everything then we should change nothing” is just bullshit.





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When nothing changed after Newtown we as a country decided that our children being slaughtered wholesale was the price we would pay for "freedom" https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8a0a64ee37.jpg

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So, can anyone disagree that fewer guns would mean fewer gun deaths? Seems like a good place to start.

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Fewer bullets, maybe...but the correlation is far from linear. Wouldn't you agree?

The same people who spent all last month insisting that life must be protected above any other consideration will now explain to us you how children being massacred in classrooms is just the sunk cost of protecting a single sentence written in 1789.

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Originally Posted by heckacali

I love the Steve Kerr rant.

If they try to do a moment of silence at the game I hope he, and many more, scream the entire time at the top of their lungs till they have no voice left, just a long agonizing painful scream.
because that's what the victims deserve, loud voices screaming over the agony for change.

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The moment of silence in Dallas tonight before the game made me sick. I don’t expect a bunch of Texans to turn into Democrats but god damn hold your GOP representatives accountable or STFU with this nonsense like you give a shit. I really don’t get it.