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So I assume this means that just opening the cuff buckle of the Zero G doesn't make them loose enough to allow full range of motion for touring? Can someone post a pic or two of the front of the cuff of the boot including the buckles? None of the pics I've seen really show that part of the boot so it's unclear to me what's going on thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Kreemcheese
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Originally Posted by wilcox510
Here are some hasty pictures, the buckles have a little sliding mechanism in them so its better than the Zero G but much more of a hassle than some of the other new boots in the same segment. But short answer is no, full range of motion can in my opinion only be achieved if you unbuckle the top buckle BUT it is still good with cable in the loosest position and fully open buckle.
Super extra interested in the comparison of the peak to the others. Please overload us with details as they become available.
The wrapping shell sounds really good for my weird feet. I am curious about the cuff height and how they take shin pressure.
OK, I've punched them and made them fit, but they're still short, plus I needed to remove the front of the bootboard (yes, it actually has a 3.25mm one) for more forfoot volume and grind the nubs off in the toe with a Foredom. I got an additional 3-4mm in length at the big toe, but the carbon reinforced Grilmid doesn't punch nearly as well as traditional Grilamid varieties (it's easier than the F1 LT or Quantum Asolo Factory, though). I think most people (and their bootfitters) will be happier going up a size from their regular alpine boots, I might have done so if a 27.5 existed and I didn't have a full bootlab in my basement.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejongiest
Good to know, looking to hear what you think when you get them out. I've yet to find a 1kg boot I really mesh with (but I haven't tried them all...)Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Greg - do you have Zero G Tour Pros? If so do you agree with Kreemcheese that the Peak shell is shorter than the Tour pro in the same size? If so that will probably be the end of my downsizing from a street shoe 9.5/10 to a 25 Zero G and have them blown out in all the right places to fit perfectly. I could barely get enough length for my big toe doing that, but everything else worked out great
Yes and yes. I don't need to do anything for length in the Zero G Tour Pro 26.5; I punched the Peak Carbon about 4mm and it still feels very short. Volume and width-wise, the Peak is comparable if not roomier (and/or the line is thinner).Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
God damn it! Yet another boot sounded so promising and now I expect to go into trying it and being thoroughly disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Sizing up for length in a boot with already roomier volume fit is not a recipe for success.
That could actually work for me if the heel hold is tight, extra toe room can even be a good thing on longer flat tours I'm curious to at least try them on. The trend to super short light boots is annoying, but must be driven by advertised weight?
I'd happily go back to a 27.5 in that boot after 3 seasons in a 26.5 ZGTP which had to be punched in damn near every direction to make it work. Was in between shell sizes, went the performance route with the shorter shell, it skis like a dream but my toes are permanently displeased...
Day one update on a test pair I've been lucky enough to get hold of.
I have been using a 25/25.5 Zero G Scout for the last three winters and these feel a bit longer but not as long as a full shell size up in the current boot line up. They feel slightly roomier all round to me and I swapped the stock liners straight for the liners from my scouts as I was swimming in the stock liner.
Unfortunately I had issues on day one hitting a submerged rock while boot packing causing the lower buckle to twist and torque breaking the lower rivet holding the buckle on.
On the plus side they skied and walked very well
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Hi!
Can anyone share the differences in boot sole length between ZGTP and the Peak Carbon? I think I’m 323mm in the 28.5 ZGTP and need to mount a new binding on my ski so it accommodates the ZGTP in (most likely) the 28.5 next year.. It’s a R01 binding plate for ATK bindings, movable 30mm back and forth..
Thanks!
ZGTP mold doesn’t change for next year, BSL is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyp
BSL for ZeroG Peak is 308. Has more to do with the toe and heal lugs being shorter than anything else.
It’s 308mm for 28.5 Peak G Carbon? So 15mm shorter than ZGTP? Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Correct, but there's no guarantee you'll be able to wear your traditional size in the Peak . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyp
There's a review on WildSnow from one of their youguns who actually skis bigger sticks as opposed to worshipping anything lightweight.
Apparently it does everything the F1 LT does but skis mucho better. Not quite well enough to abandon the ZGTP but close.
Interesting as compared to the Blister Flash review that seems to say it’s just pretty comparable to other 2-buckle kilo boots like F1 LTQuote:
Originally Posted by Boissal
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You gonna be able to do a wrap liner in these? Happy to scissor on the gators if necessary.
Maybe a good question for the Wildsnow review author in the comments section, sounds like he uses tour wraps in his F1 LTs, and seems to be fairly responsiveQuote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
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Blister dropped a flash review, any members care to summarize? The teaser: https://blisterreview.com/gear-revie...-g-peak-carbon
Some comments on Wildsnow suggest the Peak is pretty high volume, and has a lot of instep height compared to the F1-LT/AlienRS.
They are a high volume fit especially in the heel pocket
High volume fit with a med volume heel and ankle. Ascent is very good but concerns with the lower buckle being positioned for breakage when boot packing seems to be pretty consistent in every review. Descent is said to be no different then any other 2 buckle boot and still isn’t close to a 4 buckle.
IME every boot below 1100 grams has a loose fitting ankle and heel, it goes with the territory since they all have a floating carbon cuff and can't build it too narrow since the width can't really be altered, etc. The Peak Carbon feels like an "average" 100mm-ish fit to me in the 26.5, but I won't be able to wear a 26.5 (toenails destroyed in 8 hours on Rainier in July) so it's effectively a 101-102mm last in my size (27.5).Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I felt like the Tecnica had more volume in the heel than the F1 LT and Atomic Backland but year none of them are particularly snug in the heel. Its a shame because the boot feels like it would ski a little better than both if the fit was right. The Gignoux Mountain probably has the best heel hold of any in the category I've tried. I haven't put on the new Salomon or Dynafit or Dalbello boots yet but I don't have high hopes for them.
IMO it skis a little better (stiffer, more positive power transfer) even with the looser fit. I don't have the F1 LT but have skied the predecessor (Alien RS) and have the 2023 and older Backland Carbons, the Peak Carbon is definitely stiffer than either. I have a thicker than average heel and ankle, FWIW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
So, it's a sizer up in length? After attempting to make some Fischer travers in my usual size work, i think I'm sizing up in light boots from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
It is for me. I measure 27.7 on a Brannock, always ski in 26.5 alpine boots, usually can get a 26.5 touring boot to work with a big toe punch for length (Atomic Backland Carbon with the same 288mm BSL is an example). Will be going with a 27.5 Peak Carbon when they arrive.
Greg - any insights or thoughts on comparison between ZeroG Peak and MTN Summit?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Not yet, have not skied or tried on any of the new MTN boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3pin
Anyone have an estimate on when these will start showing up in the US? Eager to get my foot in one.
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My local shop is telling me mid November. They're late.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Regular peaks are showing up now. Peak Carbon's are looking like mid-late November. I wouldn't count on them lasting long once they hit the store. Almost every shop I know of is pre-selling them before they even show up.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Yeah I mean that's what I'm worried about... Not wild about purchasing before I get to try them on and compare to some of the other offerings this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
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We've gotten a few sizes of the carbon in at our shop. Can't imagine pre-buying a touring boot. They are shiny though, so you know
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One of the early non-skiing criticisms is limited rearward rom. That's relative to this class of boot and coming from a skimo racer who almost certainly has higher expectations in that regard than the average mag
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I think that's partially a product of the super stiff overlapping fingers of carbon-reinforced Grilamid over the instep, which really lock your foot down in the boot - open throat designs allow more midfoot lift in touring mode. That feature also makes it difficult to put on if you have a taller instep (walk mode for entry, for sure) but it also makes it ski better. TBH lack of ROM never really crossed my mind while skinning in the Peak Carbon.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhetherMan
I’d say it depends.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
I measure 282 and 284 mm for length on a Brannock (weighted foot, 1 or 2mm less unweighted). 96 en 97mm for width(unweighted). High instep.
My resort boots are previous gen Cochise 27.5, no punches.
I had 27.5 Zero G Tour Pro, and needed a small punch for my big toe, because the tip of toe box was more pointed than the Cochise’s.
I have Dalbello Quantum Free in 28.5.
Today I tried on Zero G Peak. The toe shape is perfect for me, so I can fit in 27.5.
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Totally fine in length for inbounds, I’d say maybe tiny bit (1/3 size) shorter than my Cochise’s.
Despite my high instep, I had no problem putting them on or with comfort over the instep.
For touring I would need to at least do aggressive liner molding, perhaps a little punching for the big toe length.
Definitely shorter than my Quantum’s in 28.5. Width across the forefoot and heel hold is just a fraction tighter. And that is comparing with same liner and custom footbed. Stock liner and footbed gave a roomier fit. Nice liner, but I need something thicker to take up more width.
I wish they were narrower, but, that is also just due to my narrow foot. If you don’t have a narrow foot, you might love it.
Little bit stiffer than my Quantum Free.
I could not feel a noticeable difference between the ‘regular’ Peak and the Peak Carbon, in forward flex and stiffness.
Buckles do not have micro adjust.
Powerstrap is great.
Heel outsole is very narrow. I wonder how that would fit with crampons. US Quarter for scale.
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I am very far from a skimo racer, but I do value comfort and ease while skinning and walking highlyQuote:
Originally Posted by WhetherMan
Comparing to my Quantum Free’s, walking around the house , on inclines and and checking stride length:
- In normal boot walking, fairly similar. Shorter, more rockered sole walks better on hard surfaces.
- A bit more resistance once you start getting into a longer stride on skis on flat terrain.
- ”clicking” sound and feel from heel spine catching on something when forward flexing moderately far.
- Max rearward range of motion is uncomfortable because tall heel of clog digs into Achilles.
In short, range of motion, resistance to motion and comfort while walking/striding are ok, but not great. My Quantum Free is definitely a bit better, and in my memory from several years ago, the Backland Pro was too.
Walk mode lever sticks out very far when up:
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Seems like a miss. That heel lever sticking out is a bizarre oversight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjaardbreeuwer