Bringing Back The Best: Lotii And Other Assorted Love Songs

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

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Your treadle on the hozenpflaffle is out of alignment.


I could go with black graphics and your yellow erlenmeyeresque icon.

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For the Loti 120s would agree to get away from so much white. Hard to find a white ski that comes off in deep snow.

What’s the inspiration for the R87?

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

COLOR=#333333 sucks.
Your treadle on the hozenpflaffle is out of alignment.


I could go with black graphics and your yellow erlenmeyeresque icon.

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hozenpflaffle

Yes.

And your hovercraft is full of eels

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Originally Posted by johnnyg82

What’s the inspiration for the R87?

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Head Monster 88 I think. A classic low tide charger.
Also similar to the original legend pro.
Raceroom charger styleeeee

Marshal, still looking for feedback on why a rockered ski wouldn’t work with metal.
Obviously the spatula had metal. Damp as fuck. But too short.

Rereading your metal description it seems tip rocker makes more tip deflection so a charger ski won’t have rocker.

But what about that odd person(me apparently) that wants rocker and slarve, but also wants resort stability?

The LP 105 (whiteish topsheets, after the red black Motörhead years) had a lot of tip rocker for a charger. Sweet ski. And still charged pretty well.

But if you put metal on an even more rockered shape, would it be a failure?
I love slarve. But don’t tour enough. A slarvy metal damp ski would be cool.

I swear there’s a niche market here.

PS. I’ll buy two pair of whatever. Even if it’s not a ski I want. I know you need 25. I can be that 25th. And you can sell it later. This whole project is cool. Reminds me of splat and the bro model. Or on3p. Old school trg.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

hozenpflaffle

Head Monster 88 I think. A classic low tide charger.
Also similar to the original legend pro.
Raceroom charger styleeeee

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Yes, exactly - thanks for this. Monster length and radius with something closer to an Asteroid flex pattern and snow feel.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

Marshal, still looking for feedback on why a rockered ski wouldn’t work with metal.
Obviously the spatula had metal. Damp as fuck. But too short.

Rereading your metal description it seems tip rocker makes more tip deflection so a charger ski won’t have rocker.

But what about that odd person(me apparently) that wants rocker and slarve, but also wants resort stability?

The LP 105 (whiteish topsheets, after the red black Motörhead years) had a lot of tip rocker for a charger. Sweet ski. And still charged pretty well.

But if you put metal on an even more rockered shape, would it be a failure?
I love slarve. But don’t tour enough. A slarvy metal damp ski would be cool.

I swear there’s a niche market here.

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Ok... so a few things.

First off, I just got off a call with my factory making the C120. They can absolutely make a metal version, but it would take about 18mo due to supply chain constraints on .4 and .5 titanal in that region. So, I can do it, but delivering 24mo from now.

However, I am putting finishing touches on a Freeride (FR) construction that would be super smooth riding too. Think EHP and Faction 13 snow feel. That I could make from the same run as the C120/C138 run for you this summer, if you want to guinea pig it. I am making a personal pair of 200cm 120 in this freeride construction for myself, anyhow ;)

I think the merit of rockered metal skis has tons of merit... The spatula as you point out (which was heavy as heck, like 2600g), OG bodacious, RC112, Kuro, lots of really good fat, rockered, metal skis.

Not sure if this answers the question, a bit of a stream-of-consciousness post.




Oh, and for those asking, on the flex of the C120/C138: the 20x sizes are flex 3 and the 19x sizes are flex 2.5

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

This whole project is cool. Reminds me of splat and the bro model. Or on3p. Old school trg.

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So true. Brings back feelings of OG Powder Mag forums. My kids can't believe I've been logging in to these forums since well before they were alive, but it's stuff like this that keeps it going. I'm looking at the R99 as a resort charger.

If you want a tester for the FR core in either the c120 200cm or 190cm I’ll order one right now :)

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Oh, and for those asking, on the flex of the C120/C138: the 20x sizes are flex 3 and the 19x sizes are flex 2.5

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Flex numbers here look great for the C series. I will be ordering a couple.

For someone skiing mainly in the Sierras does the 138 make sense to have in the quiver? Or is it a better tool for light blower snow that we don't see much of? And for someone 5'11" / 175lbs which length seems right...leaning 192 if I do get a pair.

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Originally Posted by Pinned

For someone skiing mainly in the Sierras does the 138 make sense to have in the quiver? Or is it a better tool for light blower snow that we don't see much of? And for someone 5'11" / 175lbs which length seems right...leaning 192 if I do get a pair.

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138 shines in heavy, funky 3d snow.


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Originally Posted by Pinned

For someone skiing mainly in the Sierras does the 138 make sense to have in the quiver? Or is it a better tool for light blower snow that we don't see much of? And for someone 5'11" / 175lbs which length seems right...leaning 192 if I do get a pair.

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Do it. Have had multiple storm days where they are magic. They didn’t suck on a few deep corn days either. If you ever get to Ak or a cat trip you’ll be flabbergasted. And you’re supporting a core mag doing cool mag work.


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Marshal, don’t think you’ve ever commented on 138 spoons vs r1/2 and what you want to do. I do like the purple ones as I find them resort friendly (manageable on last 200 ft to lift) but still great in natural habitat…

Also-can you give more detail on 99?
Have a few pair of race room LPs in 186 and a like new unused pair in 194 and intrigued by a slightly updated shape but that build and feel.

Finally-take it you dig the Bmx 105 and might do something similar? is that very different from the short lived Dps 105 ?

kudos and orders imminent….



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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

Yes, exactly - thanks for this. Monster length and radius with something closer to an Asteroid flex pattern and snow feel.




Ok... so a few things.

First off, I just got off a call with my factory making the C120. They can absolutely make a metal version, but it would take about 18mo due to supply chain constraints on .4 and .5 titanal in that region. So, I can do it, but delivering 24mo from now.

However, I am putting finishing touches on a Freeride (FR) construction that would be super smooth riding too. Think EHP and Faction 13 snow feel. That I could make from the same run as the C120/C138 run for you this summer, if you want to guinea pig it. I am making a personal pair of 200cm 120 in this freeride construction for myself, anyhow ;)

I think the merit of rockered metal skis has tons of merit... The spatula as you point out (which was heavy as heck, like 2600g), OG bodacious, RC112, Kuro, lots of really good fat, rockered, metal skis.

Not sure if this answers the question, a bit of a stream-of-consciousness post.




Oh, and for those asking, on the flex of the C120/C138: the 20x sizes are flex 3 and the 19x sizes are flex 2.5

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I'm up for a 192-196s ehp/thirteen hybrid, marshal.

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Originally Posted by Pinned

For someone skiing mainly in the Sierras does the 138 make sense to have in the quiver? Or is it a better tool for light blower snow that we don't see much of? And for someone 5'11" / 175lbs which length seems right...leaning 192 if I do get a pair.

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Do it. Get 192s.

I have two 138s, Spoons, two 120s, RPC, RP112, and Spatulas. I mainly ski In the Sierra.

The main drawback to full reverse skis like the 138 is that they aren't great resort skis after everything is tracked - need to go back to the car for something else narrower and better in crud. Depending on the resort, that trip back to the car could take awhile.

So tell more about this FR free ride construction lotus 120 200cm.

No metal. But damp? A flex 3 carbon layup? (I own those and love them).
But more damp and less stiff than those bamboo sidewalls beasts would be cool.

In general it’s going to be a challenge getting a 25 pair commitment for all your offerings. Plus having spares in n your closet for any warranty etc.

We should focus on where the demand is.

I demand a lotus 120 200cm that’s damp :fm:

But more seriously. What’s the order status so far? I entered my email but got nothing. Clearly you need a mold for each model and length. I’d like to kick in for whatever is most likely to be built.

Are the 138's made in China or Italy?

https://heritagelabskis.com/products/c138

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Originally Posted by ml242

Are the 138's made in China or Italy?

https://heritagelabskis.com/products/c138

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last bullet point in the link: Carefully crafted by Telos Splitboards in China (the same team that made the originals)

Yeah, I saw that after I thought I read somewhere else on the site that all of the skis are made in the Blossom factory, hence why I linked it.

Impeccably made in Italy has a nicer ring than carefully crafted in China.

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Originally Posted by ml242

Yeah, I saw that after I thought I read somewhere else on the site that all of the skis are made in the Blossom factory, hence why I linked it.

Impeccably made in Italy has a nicer ring than carefully crafted in China.

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The two lines are made in different places by different companies. Which makes a lot of sense given the two different purposes of the lines and the manufacturing experience of each.

Fwiw I believe the superbros were made by the Italian factory.

UPDATES!

- The 192 C138 is already 50% the way to green light. That ski needs a few more orders, but in a great place.
- I have been able to negotiate lower minimums on the Raceroom skis. These look really good too.
- The 190 C120 is in next place, 25% the way there. If you want 'em... now is the time!
- Whole lot of interest via DM and Email on the 202 C138 and 200 C120, but only a couple of orders for each.

There is interest on a heavy freeride 200 120. I will add it to the website and officially open to order, since that will help put more skis through the mold. Vitamin I asked in theory for a heavy freeride 202 138. If there is real interest here, I can add those too, again, more skis through the mold is good for these two in particular.

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Originally Posted by ml242

Impeccably made in Italy has a nicer ring than carefully crafted in China.

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At least they both have good alliteration, haha

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Originally Posted by otto parts

Marshal, don’t think you’ve ever commented on 138 spoons vs r1/2 and what you want to do. I do like the purple ones as I find them resort friendly (manageable on last 200 ft to lift) but still great in natural habitat…

Also-can you give more detail on 99?
Have a few pair of race room LPs in 186 and a like new unused pair in 194 and intrigued by a slightly updated shape but that build and feel.

Finally-take it you dig the Bmx 105 and might do something similar? is that very different from the short lived Dps 105 ?

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I really liked the newer purple 138s (but haven't skied any more recent versions of since this one), but don't personally think of them as the definitive version. They were definitely a different ski. They have a 32m radius IIRC which does change how it pivots and drifts. There were also a number of different rocker profiles, mostly all were full reverse (to make up for the sidecut).

The R99 is going to be pretty similar to the Wailer 105, which was essentially me making my own personal ski, haha. And alot like a legend pro. The LP could be a little boardy and shaping has evolved a bit to help the skis feel more drifty without sacrificing any fall line stability, but the feel itself is going to be very similar.

Not sure if this is helpful, just trying to be honest!

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

So tell more about this FR free ride construction lotus 120 200cm.

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Let me land a couple things and revert back in a couple days.

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Originally Posted by SkiLyft

@marshall what flex are these lotii coming in?

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In case this lost in the shuffle, Flex 3 for the 20x and flex 2.5 for the 19x versions.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Is the Blossom Race Room the old Nordica factory?

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Sorry, missed this one. It is sort of the other way around. When Noridica started making skis in like 2003-ish, they commissioned this factory to make their high end stuff, like the FF9.1 / W105 and later on the Supercharger Blower and Girish. The factory still makes Nordica's WC and FIS skis (as well as for other companies too). At least to the best of my knowledge.

Congrats on a rad project Marshal.

Probably will pull the trigger on some R99's.

Man am I having flashbacks to discussing metal in skis and the t2 105 over sushi in Aspen with ya. Dang, I’m stoked to see this.


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Great project. If you ever build an 186 ehp copy with metal I’d be super excited.


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Trigger pulled on 192 C138, let's make it happen!

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Originally Posted by altacoup

Great project. If you ever build an 186 ehp copy with metal I’d be super excited.


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I mean that R120 doesnt seem too far off no?

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

UPDATES!

- The 192 C138 is already 50% the way to green light. That ski needs a few more orders, but in a great place.
- I have been able to negotiate lower minimums on the Raceroom skis. These look really good too.
- The 190 C120 is in next place, 25% the way there. If you want 'em... now is the time!
- Whole lot of interest via DM and Email on the 202 C138 and 200 C120, but only a couple of orders for each.

There is interest on a heavy freeride 200 120. I will add it to the website and officially open to order, since that will help put more skis through the mold. Vitamin I asked in theory for a heavy freeride 202 138. If there is real interest here, I can add those too, again, more skis through the mold is good for these two in particular.




At least they both have good alliteration, haha



I really liked the newer purple 138s (but haven't skied any more recent versions of since this one), but don't personally think of them as the definitive version. They were definitely a different ski. They have a 32m radius IIRC which does change how it pivots and drifts. There were also a number of different rocker profiles, mostly all were full reverse (to make up for the sidecut).

The R99 is going to be pretty similar to the Wailer 105, which was essentially me making my own personal ski, haha. And alot like a legend pro. The LP could be a little boardy and shaping has evolved a bit to help the skis feel more drifty without sacrificing any fall line stability, but the feel itself is going to be very similar.

Not sure if this is helpful, just trying to be honest!



Let me land a couple things and revert back in a couple days.



In case this lost in the shuffle, Flex 3 for the 20x and flex 2.5 for the 19x versions.



Sorry, missed this one. It is sort of the other way around. When Noridica started making skis in like 2003-ish, they commissioned this factory to make their high end stuff, like the FF9.1 / W105 and later on the Supercharger Blower and Girish. The factory still makes Nordica's WC and FIS skis (as well as for other companies too). At least to the best of my knowledge.

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The Wailer 105 T2 was a niche ski that had no top end I could find. I skied that thing over 70 mph and was blown away...

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

I mean that R120 doesnt seem too far off no?

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Looks like it doesn’t have the tip and tail taper that combined with the rocker really give the ehp that loose feel

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Originally Posted by grskier

Man am I having flashbacks to discussing metal in skis and the t2 105 over sushi in Aspen with ya. Dang, I’m stoked to see this.

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omg
great memories, haha

C138 202cm and C120 in 190cm just ordered.
What a great project here! Thanks.

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Originally Posted by altacoup

Great project. If you ever build an 186 ehp copy with metal I’d be super excited.


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Re: my e-mailing,marshal. Not opposed to a 193 metal replica either.

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Really digging the tip splay on the 105.
https://blisterreview.com/gear-revie...s-wailer-105/3

But all these heritage metal ski profiles look old school to me.
Am I missing something?

I never rode the 105. But it looks good.

But the splay on my blizzards are sweet and with the metal layup they don’t bounce and flap. And the splay makes it fun to play.

Sometimes nostalgia is just nostalgic.
I remember borrowing an old pair of volkl snow rangers and dropping thigh deep into the Spock chutes, thinking to myself, wtf, these used to be easy. Lol.

I could see buying the 99 if it had more splay.

Not wanting to rain on any parades. Sometimes an old ski was just the right time and place and youthful exuberance to be so fun. Memory and reality don’t always align.

The lotus shapes are timeless and revolutionary, however.
A niche ski that dps gave up on as they got more corporate. So nice to see them back.

Mmm flat camber metal skis.

Good questions!

I can't speak for other people, but I ski "less rockered / more stable" skis in this class most days presently. Here is the lineup of "daily drivers".

The Monster 184 (bumped or variable) and 191 (buff bluebird) makes even the most marginal snow amazing. They are the cleanest drifting skis (on firm snow) that I have ever been on. As you can see, I bent the slightest bit of rocker into the tips. This is how the tips of the R120, R99, and R87 will deliver. The R120 and R99 will be closer to flat than the monster pictured.

The Bonafide is an awesome ski. But it isn't what I am going for with an R99. The R99 is designed to be an every day replacement for people that love Monster 98s or OG Legend Pros, not a Bonafide or Mantra.

The BMX105 is basically a skinny pow ski, as you can see by it's tip/tail taper and overall profile. The LPR isn't my cup of tea compared to the Monster skis (going up for sale in the next day or two), but glad to have given it a go as part of this project.

But the punchline is that at least one person is all about low camber micro rocker, haha.

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If that’s “micro rocker” I’m loving it.

The website didn’t lead me to that tip rocker. The side profiles looked way more old school.

I retract my previous statements.

That is looking good.

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

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If that’s “micro rocker” I’m loving it.

The website didn’t lead me to that tip rocker. The side profiles looked way more old school.

I retract my previous statements.

That is looking good.

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The R120 keeps getting better

Sent this to text to Marshal

That tip rocker profile on the monster 108 I heard was money. Perfect for destroying crud, holing a nice arc on the firm and floating enough for what the ski was. That profile on a on the 120 with a 145 shovel, flat camber and mount point should make that a all day pow slayer at all four of the cottonwood resorts. It will also kill spring conditions, gobel crud and slay choppy soft groomers. Damnit you made a ski I need.

His response was yup.


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I'm in on the R99s and R120s order #10 maybe there's a tee shirt in it. Love your thinking on design Marshal, thanks for doing this.


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Very cool idea. I'll probably be in the minority, but I wish the C120 was offered in Flex 2 at the 190cm length.

I'll probably still buy a pair.

just pulled the trigger on a pair of C138s

going with the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" approach here with the partner

fucking stoked, thanks for making this happen Marshal

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Originally Posted by Marshal Olson

But the punchline is that at least one person is all about low camber micro rocker, haha.

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Too bad you didnt like the LPRs, but youre spot on about the little bit of rocker in the tip. The pro-riders really surprised me with how quick they are despite being all death chargey. I think the little bit of tip rocker they added in the latest updates helped alot.

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Originally Posted by KillerMonkey

Too bad you didnt like the LPRs, but youre spot on about the little bit of rocker in the tip. The pro-riders really surprised me with how quick they are despite being all death chargey. I think the little bit of tip rocker they added in the latest updates helped alot.

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Oh dude, I wouldn't say I didn't like them! Sorry for giving that impression. It would be more that I prefer a slightly different shade of grey (ie the monsters).

What's the timeline for pulling trigger on these sticks Marshall?