softshell jacket (yes, again)

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

Depends on how cold. In Colorado, fresh snow almost always means cold temps, so no hardshell ever

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lol this is not correct

totally depends on denier of face fabric, face fabric yarn weave pattern, and brand/type of membrane....then types of layers, elevation of terrain.....

perhaps you jest

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Originally Posted by Micol

lol this is not correct

totally depends on denier of face fabric, face fabric yarn weave pattern, and brand/type of membrane....then types of layers, elevation of terrain.....

perhaps you jest

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I've never needed a hardshell when touring in Colorado, even in the worst of storms. A light synthetic puffy has always been enough if things get gnarly. It's cold when it snows there. So you never really have the thick wet sloppy conditions where your bodyheat can't keep a softshell like the Ferrosi dry enough to not feel wet.

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

I've never needed a hardshell when touring in Colorado, even in the worst of storms. A light synthetic puffy has always been enough if things get gnarly. It's cold when it snows there. So you never really have the thick wet sloppy conditions where your bodyheat can't keep a softshell like the Ferrosi dry enough to not feel wet.

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imo, if one is staying overnight (planned or unplanned) best not to limit gear one may need to stay alive.

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Originally Posted by Micol

imo, if one is staying overnight (planned or unplanned) best not to limit gear one may need to stay alive.

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Hardshell and even hardshell plus down puffy that most bring won't do much in an overnight. If that's a concern for a particular trip, I bring one of these, which weighs less and generally packs smaller than a combo of thick enough down puffy and hardshell:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...--X8iUnG7S__RB

more layers are the drama-free solution

I love these threads, to see how differently people solve similar problems.

For me, hard shells with side zips and main zippers are pretty dang versatile. It's easy enough to manage keeping the right amount of wind/snow/sweat out, and enough heat in (even on the move). Don't usually need the jacket on the up-go. I guess sometimes, on really stormy days and windy ridges or peaks.

Throw on the gore jacket for the down-go; warmth and durability and crashes.

Fleece layers and puffy as needed. I stumbled across an icebreaker helix thin insulating jacket, which I like a lot for frigid tours.

I'm in the Elks (CO), this is my kit for most/all days. I personally haven't seen a compelling case to change over to softshells - it looks like a solution to a problem I don't have.

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

Hardshell and even hardshell plus down puffy that most bring won't do much in an overnight. If that's a concern for a particular trip, I bring one of these, which weighs less and generally packs smaller than a combo of thick enough down puffy and hardshell:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...--X8iUnG7S__RB

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bothy bags are incredible safety pieces that somehow have zero american penetration. Never understood it.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

more layers are the drama-free solution

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Like an onion or ogre?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJQm...=ShrekOfficiel

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Originally Posted by Westcoaster

bothy bags are incredible safety pieces that somehow have zero american penetration. Never understood it.

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dang...but could be due to that name.... like near freudian slip for body bag ~ bothy bag..... kinda worrisome , but, looks like interesting product none-the-less wonder if it can be had in softshell

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

Hardshell and even hardshell plus down puffy that most bring won't do much in an overnight. If that's a concern for a particular trip, I bring one of these, which weighs less and generally packs smaller than a combo of thick enough down puffy and hardshell:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...--X8iUnG7S__RB

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i dont know...ive slept in all down outside, hardshell could be like the bivvy to keep it from saturating, OR down booties with bottom tread for the win

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

If that's a concern for a particular trip, I bring one of these, which weighs less and generally packs smaller than a combo of thick enough down puffy and hardshell:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...--X8iUnG7S__RB

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"Size (vacuum packed): 13 x 11 x 5cm." What's the pack size?

^ bag seems pretty cool

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Originally Posted by hafjell

"Size (vacuum packed): 13 x 11 x 5cm." What's the pack size?

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A bit bigger than the size of a VHS tape. Fits pretty well at the bottom of a backpack. They have a compact trauma blanket thats a bit smaller and lighter but you're getting less protection from it.

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Originally Posted by MiddleOfNight

I love these threads, to see how differently people solve similar problems.

For me, hard shells with side zips and main zippers are pretty dang versatile. It's easy enough to manage keeping the right amount of wind/snow/sweat out, and enough heat in (even on the move). Don't usually need the jacket on the up-go. I guess sometimes, on really stormy days and windy ridges or peaks.

Throw on the gore jacket for the down-go; warmth and durability and crashes.

Fleece layers and puffy as needed. I stumbled across an icebreaker helix thin insulating jacket, which I like a lot for frigid tours.

I'm in the Elks (CO), this is my kit for most/all days. I personally haven't seen a compelling case to change over to softshells - it looks like a solution to a problem I don't have.

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Yeah, I find hardshells much sweatier and harder to keep my temp just right. Lots more comfortable with the softshell and no fussing with layers. Throw it on and go.

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Originally Posted by Westcoaster

bothy bags are incredible safety pieces that somehow have zero american penetration. Never understood it.

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Yeah, bothy bags are pretty neat if you are gonna be hanging out for a while. This is only a bit bigger and brings a lot of insulation. Like a 32 degree sleeping bag.

Yeah I'm in the hot sweaty mess category as well, so agree strokes for folks, but also get that no one size fits all conditions.

If you like the dawn patrol in theory but not in fit, check out the BD Cirque. Fits slimmer, no frills, and can still stash skins inside.

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Originally Posted by Lindahl

Yeah, I find hardshells much sweatier and harder to keep my temp just right. Lots more comfortable with the softshell and no fussing with layers. Throw it on and go.

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My body regulates temp pretty well, maybe that has something to do with it. Or maybe I just don't know what I'm missing. I'll watch for something on gear swap.

That bag looks interesting, thanks for sharing. I may see if they ship to US.
Ah, 'warmth of 5.5 Togs' .. excellent. A mere 5 Togs would simply not do.

Are there any new players here? I want something I can ski down in instead of a houdini.

Heavy synthetic belay park for shit hitting the fan + a softshell is becoming my favorite setup.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Are there any new players here? I want something I can ski down in instead of a houdini.

Heavy synthetic belay park for shit hitting the fan + a softshell is becoming my favorite setup.

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At least for CA, the nuclei fl is windproof, has dump pockets which fit skins, and fits over layers without being huge. It works perfectly as a descent layer if you're not tree skiing.