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Another boot question : can anyone comment on the downhill ski performance of the F1 LT vs the Scorpius?
i can’t seem to find a Scorpius locally but have a place I can go try on the F1. I’m wondering if the 200 extra grams for the Scorpius buys you any extra downhill performance. From everything I’ve heard / read the Scorpius will likely fit me great but I want to find a way of rationalizing the extra weight.
I recently bought the F1 LT and Skorpius, but haven't skied the Skorp yet. The Skorp definitely feels stiffer and more supportive but the F1 LT is also really really good for its weight. Lots of reviews on the Skimo co site indicate the Skorp is notably more powerful, and I will chime in again once I use them. There are several online shops with good return policies that have the Skorpius in stock, or if you don't want to drop big $ try the Solar which is the same fit. I tried the Solar on at backcountry before I ordered when the Skorp was sold out everywhere, its a notably lower instep and wider forefoot than the F1 LT.
+1 I haven't skied the F1LT but I do have 5 days on Skorps and I would say that they are noticeably more powerful than standard F1s (which most folks consider to be stiffer than the F1LT). Very different fit though, which IMO should be the deciding factor here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
The F1 LT is probably somewhere in between the fit of the Skorpius and standard F1 in terms of total volume, and with the F1 LT having a narrower forefoot than both. I have a narrow, low volume foot with a low-ish instep and I fit well in both the Skorp and F1 LT, which is kind of wild since until those 2 boots came out I didn't fit well in any lightweight touring boots
Has anyone skied any of the Hagan Ultra skis? Any good? Thinking about a pair of the 87s.
Since my earlier rant about how I no longer have much use for skinny skis I've taken a good look at the lack of snow in CO and the lack of snow in the long term forecast. It's looking like covering a whole bunch of ground on dirt, snow and rock might be the best way to entertain myself in the mountains for the next while.
I had the Ultra 82s last year in 170. I am somewhat new to skiing and they were my first skinny ski, and they were very wrong for me. Super stiff, cambered, and very rearward mount made them a handful in tight places. They were damp for their weight and could charge groomers, but that was the only thing my mediocre skills could get them to do. You are more familiar with this kind of ski than I am, but even for a skinny ski they have a long running length and I would have had a lot more fun on the 163. I could not bend the shovels at all on mine.
Thanks for that. Sound like it's not quite what I'm after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I don't need the lightest ski. Want something 90mm or less. About 175 in length. Prefer something damper, not too turny, but not too locked in. Haven't been paying attention to this category recently. Cheap would be good too. Anybody selling?
I have the perfect ski for you: Dynafit Speed 76 in a 176 length. This ski seems purpose built for resort skinning and other hard snow applications.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
I reviewed it here: https://skimo.co/dynafit-speed-76-ski
Selling with Ski Trab mohair skins for 305: https://imgur.com/a/PeP14OO
Edit: looking back, I think I undersold how damp they feel. They were very damp for the weight imo.
Thanks! Skorpius sounds like the best boot for me. I want a bit more power and I have a super low instep.
I have a scarpa discount… so I’m going to slip those on first and see what I think.
Once you get some days on them post with some updates on how they ski and what type of ski you can drive with them. I’m wondering if a 1600 gram ski would be more than the boot is happy with.
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Originally Posted by Benneke10
I have 3 days with Skorps on Down CD104L (a 1525g ski). They might be a touch underpowered for that ski but not by much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
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I skied the skorpius with a line vision 98 186 and a black Crows atris 189 last year. They seemed to pair very well with the lines. They were fine with the atris in good snow, but it was easy to blow through the flex in bad snow.
I ended up snapping the tongue and skiing Fischer travers carbons for the second half the season while the skorps got warrantied. Now, having skied both back to back, the skorps are way more powerful.
That’s a helpful comparison. The ‘functional’ but not exciting ski I’m looking at is the MTN 95 which is likely okay as it’s only a little heavier but is slightly narrower. I’m tempted by the Woodsman 102 tour and based on this I would imagine the 182cm would be pushing it (1600 grams) and the 187 (1700 grams and longer) is likely a no go.
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Originally Posted by tgapp
I might be able to get you a discount on Skorps if you want, send me a messageQuote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
How's the range of motion compared to the Travers? I'd imagine with the plastic tongue it would have alot more resistance than the Travers or F1LT.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
Again, no point of reference against those boots, but I would say that the Skorps walk 90-95%% as well as boots like Sytrons, Alien RS, etc (much better than standard F1's).Quote:
Originally Posted by gustav
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1000g boot driving a 2200g ski. Props my man!Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
MTN has nothing but good reviews from blister. And people I know who’ve skied really like it also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tailwind
I love Blister but I wouldn’t consider them to be an authority on lightweight touring skis. I’m sure the MTN is good but there are probably 10 other skis in the same weight class that are at least as good
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I own the Quantum Asolo 27.5, F1 LT 28, and Skorpius 27.5 right now, I thought some of you might appreciate a comparison. The Quantum and Skorpius have stock footbeds, and the Skorpius also has tags on but they probably weigh less than 5g. The F1 LT has the buckle mod and Superfeet blue footbeds, if I remember correctly it weighed around 1120g stock.
Cuff height is standard for a 1kg boot on the Quantum, and the F1 LT and Skorp are much higher than anything else in the category. The F1 LT cuff is slightly higher in the back, and the Skorp is slightly higher in the front. I'm trying to justify a reason to keep the F1 LT and the Skorp and will probably sell the Quantum which has the best walk mode by far, easiest transitions, and fits amazing in the midfoot and forefoot, I appreciate the higher cuffs and stiffness of the other 2 boots. The Quantum walks like a true race boot though, best in class. Maybe I should sell all 3 and get Pierre Gignoux Mountain boots, but haven't had a chance to try them on yet.
To be fair, I'm guessing that's why they broke...Quote:
Originally Posted by alpinevibes
Yeah, I'd say the ROM is appreciably diminished compared to the traverse. They are still a light, easily walkable boot, but there is a noticeable difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by gustav
Overall, I struggled to get the Skorpius to be comfy and fit my foot, the Travers more or less fit out of the box. Guess i've gotten old, but at this point I'll take the comfort and walkability of the Travers and accept the decrease in skiability.
On that note, anyone here have any time on the new Fischer Transalp?
Screaming deal on Size 28 Palau liners, used once, on SGSAF right now:
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l'm trying to sell or trade my randonerd suit. Listed in GS here:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...rd-1piece-Suit
This might interest someone. 169 Alptracks 84 + skins for $550: https://boulder.craigslist.org/spo/d...410785468.html
I messaged that guy a few weeks ago asking for $450 but he said he was firm. Maybe he'll go down a bit more now.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
I have some Mezzalama boots for sale.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...lama-boot-26-5
Does booster or anyone make a skinny, light strap? I'm looking to get rid of the shitty Velcro strap on the skorpius and would like something stretchy with a cam
No one else that I'm aware of makes a stretchy power strap except Atomic. There was a recent Blister podcast with onenerdykid and he said Booster had some kind of patent that just expired, so Atomic is just now releasing their stretchy strap, but its super bulky and not appropriate for touring.
These are what you want, not stretchy but really nice, thin material with a cam strap https://skimo.co/dynafit-power-straps
Voile strap for the winQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
Thanks, i see someone has even asked about skorpius compatibility underQuote:
Originally Posted by Benneke10
I have a set of brand new, never mounted Plum 170’s with crampon holders that I’ll sell if anyones interested.
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I contacted booster and they sent me one with a plastic buckle rather than metalQuote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
That's great info, thanks!
These are stretchy but no cam:
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I prefer the XL (wider) straps as they are a bit stiffer.
I ski my Carbon Megawatts (120UF) with F1s. It's fine--it's not like I take those skis out when I expect to buy a bunch of high speed hardpack. The F1 is def a more forgiving boot than the RS. I suspect it would be a similar delta to a Travers, but the fit is supposed to be pretty different. Travers is known to be quite high volume.Quote:
Originally Posted by goCougs
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Current setup is the fischer hannibal 96 paired with fischer travers boots. Makes for an epic fitness/volcano/spring setup. After skiing heavy pnw powder with them last weekend I'm thinking of getting a "lean-beef" setup to complement it for deeper days.
Am I crazy for thinking of pairing a scarpa F1 with a 178 voile hypercharger (106 underfoot)? Will an F1 help a mediocre skiier drive them in heavy pow? Any other "light-beef" recs for a boot?
I ski the hypercharger as my pow ski with F1 LTs. It's a really great ski - light but super easy to ski and lively. It might be a little narrow for you, though. At just 10mm wider, I'm not sure if it'd be "worth it" for you as the second in a two-ski quiver. Especially if you're on a 96 as your volcano ski with Ions. Maybe the Hyper V8 (110) would be a really good ski for you, or even the hyperdrifter (118).
The F1 will have no problem driving the ski, especially if you're skiing them in powder.
FWIW I have a Wayback 96 for volcanoes etc which I ski with a light boot (Backland) and a Supercharger (soon to be replaced by the Hyper) that I ski with a pretty heavy boot (MTN Explore). I personally would feel overpowered trying to ski heavy PNW pow with a lightweight boot... it's just not enough power transfer between my leg/foot and the ski. The Voile Hypercharger geometry is pretty different from the Hannibal even though the waist width is only 1 cm off. You have a much bigger shovel and overall surface area to float with. The Supercharger is a great ski for PNW, I just don't like skiing it with a light boot. I have a feeling the significantly lighter Hyperchargers would be easier to ski with a light boot unless the snow is wet, but I'll probably use my heavier ones on them anyway most of the time.Quote:
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That said I certainly could ski my lightweight setup all the time. I do take them out on big missions in winter. I just have more fun riding the heavier setup in most midwinter PNW conditions. But it's probably a personal preference thing.
buying new boots tomorrow. Thinking TLT8 need the width. Is the Custom Light enough liner? Thinking SW CO winter. Spring AK expeditions. Skimo mentions liner often gets exchanged for Palau. Seems like if so should get the expedition and eat the 100 grams.
Good points. I ski in the Wasatch and have never skied PNW snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamtron
I have skied many days on F1s with ultra light skis but also 182 UL GPOs, Zero G 108s and Zero G 105s. Great boot. They don't have that on/off feeling that most light boots have and the range of motion is far better than all the heavier boots I've skied. It's a tweener boot that just works and is extremely durable. They handle sturdier touring skis fine if you're a solid skier and the snow is ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by goCougs
But if you want to enjoy skiing bad snow go with something like the Zero G Tour Pro or Hawx XTD. You lose a significant range of motion compared to the F1, but they don't weight much more. And they are much, much more supportive. Some people have a maximum weight or width they're willing to entertain with touring gear. That's fine. I certainly understand the pleasure of moving efficiently uphill. But weight weenies (I count myself as a part time weight weenie) have a tendency to overstate small differences in performance between similar products because they don't consider gear beyond a certain size or weight. If you want more control going downhill you can get a small boost buy getting F1s or you can get near-alpine performance from a different class of boot.
That said, it seems like the light-but-stiff boot everyone is praising right now is the La Sportiva Skorpius. I haven't skied them and likely never will (like most La Sportiva boots the fit is... particular) but they are quite stiff.
People have also been saying that the Dynafit Radical might be a ZeroG or Hawx-type boot that walks like a 1kg boot. And not a LS-type fit boot.