AFAIK they don't exist. I tried to get a warranty on my destroyed Mimic Liner and I got an old Platinum Liner instead. If you find one, I'd be interested.
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AFAIK they don't exist. I tried to get a warranty on my destroyed Mimic Liner and I got an old Platinum Liner instead. If you find one, I'd be interested.
abcdeFU, we are talking about the Atomic Mimic Professional liner. New this year, it’s an aftermarket foam injected liner.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcdethan
my bad
I have a pair of 28.5 mimic platinum liners if anyone is interested. Have maybe 5 days on them. $75?
I'm told that Sports Den in SLC brought them in, have the tools and the training. Not sure if they have anything left though, but definitely give them a call.Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
Also, if in PC, check out either Jan's or Jackson's Basecamp.
Awesome, thanks onk. For anyone in SLC/PC, I just called Jan's and they do have plenty in stock for $299. Also I called Sports Den, they said they got the machinery but probably won't have the tools until next season...wasn't exactly sure what that meant, but figured I'd pass it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
Great idea, I had not thought of that. I reached out to him on LinkedIn, I'll post if he tells me anyone else in SLC has these available just so people have the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs
Quick review on mimic professional liner. Purchased a pair of Hawx 130 prime boots with the mimic pro liner and I couldn’t be happier. I have a very wide (108mm) but low volume foot and I’ve only needed a small stretch for the 6th toe on one foot. Compared to the 6–8 stretches on my previous Mach1 130 the atomic needed significantly less work even with the LV prime shells. The mach1 was a great boot for me, skied them for 5 years but decided to go another route after wearing out the third pair of liners.
I pm’d Onenerdykid, described my foot then took his advice and had my boot fitter inject the entire tubes of goo when molding. I could feel it filling the space above the ankles and then filling in wrapping around to the top of the foot. With every boot I’ve ever owned I’ve quickly needed L pads to keep my ankles down, eventually even a second pair due to my narrow ankles.
After 15 days of skiing I have zero ankle movement and the boots are phenomenal. They flex almost the same from 5 - 45 degrees and are exceptionally comfortable for such a precise fit. The flex is progressive and powerful both forward and laterally with more rebound than my old mach1s. That being said, those tecnicas were more damp and I really liked that feel too. The Hawx gives more energy back and I’m enjoying feel more and more.
My feet have never been this comfortable in a boot, and I am absolutely locked in with zero play or movement. I have every reason to believe the liner should have decent longevity, but I’ll report back if that changes.
Your review makes me excited to try mine soon. I called Jackson’s Base Camp in PC last weekend, purchased the last pair of 27.5 Mimic Pros they could source through Atomic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tenB
I’ve got an old pair 26.5 Ultra Hawx 120s shells extensively punched for my big toe length, sixth toe width, and Haglund’s deformity in the back for each heel. The toes are CAST converted too so I don’t really want to ditch the shells unless I have to. I’ve been using Zipfit 27.5 Grand Prix (which I liked but aggravated my Haglund’s more and more over time) and an Intuition HV 27.5 (very good heel hold initially and warm, but packing out after around 100 days of use) over the last two seasons.
Hoping the Mimic Pro is the sweet spot for me in between the aftermarket liners mentioned above.
Real interested in how this went. I’m also in no put comfortable and love the locked in feel. Looking at this Mimic, I feel there is nit enough foam to lock your foot in.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkendrenchman
How did it work?
I went to the Ski Shop and asked them what would happen if the liner didn’t work. I got a shrug and a comment about, your stuck with them.
Not the answer I wanted especially if I paid full retail.
Has anyone transitioned yet from zipfit to mimic pro foamed liner? Be interested to hear about any differences you may feel.
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Get out of the hawx if you have haglundsQuote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Like most aftermarket liners, you really ought to make sure you have the right shell for your foot. This isn't a band-aid for a shell that is too wide or too high volume for a foot. If your shell is right for your foot, you will be stoked.Quote:
Originally Posted by skideeppow
Interesting thought, what makes you say this?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
The Hawx has a super aggressive heel pocket. It gives you awesome heel hold but can also just smash the shit out of your heel. The Salomon SMax is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
One issue is the way the boot completely collapses when you overflex it. This is especially bad overtime because the Hawx becomes very soft after a season or two. When it overflexes, it bites your heel. I stiffened my boots to help with this.
Grinding your boot board to drop your heel and give clearance on the protrusion can help.
I punched my heels. This is tricky because it pushes the walk mode bar out and can make the lever not lock in properly. I straightened this out by punching the other side of my heel. I'm guessing that boot now has a degree or two more forward lean but oh well. I have killer heel hold and no crazy pressure on my heel spur.
Everything golden said. If you have haglunds just get something else, it’s not worth it getting worse. Other boots have just as good heel hold, but without the aggressive achilles indent which catches the haglund bump during deep flexes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Thanks all. Sounds like some of you are talking about the Hawx XTD and others about the Hawx Ultra.
I did have to give up on the XTD in a 26.5 for me mostly because of the Haglund’s. Hard to punch it around the walk mode lever in the heel.
But the Hawx Ultra is easy to punch back there. Overflexing is maybe an issue, but I do like the feel of my Ultra 120s with a Booster added and aftermarket liner added. Of note, my Haglund’s was just as pissed off in the old Lange Freetour XT 130 LV and the original Cochise 130 too.
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How do you like the 120s? I have been thinking about getting the Professional liner and putting it in some 120s or even 110s, as the new 130 was stiff as hell for me. The pro liner is a sweet option. Might even stick it in my ProMachines.
For me at 5’ 9”, 150 lbs, not an ex-racer, and with low volume ankles/heels/calves, I like them a lot. The lateral flex is stiff enough, the cuff wraps my chicken legs well, and the forward flex is soft off the top but nicely progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejj
My Mimic Pro injectable liner just came in yesterday so I’ll be trying the new liner in the old shell soon and will report back.
Boots with ski/walk modes are always going to be trickier to fit than fixed-cuff, alpine boots. As DGamms showed, it's quite easy to adapt the heel of a regular Hawx boot. All of the Ultra & Prime shells uses a very heat-moldable PU so punching the area is quite successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
Really great work with the professional boots! I just got foamed mine hand the experience with them while skiing was amazing! I like really much how the boots are holding the knee so I can keep the boots comfortable tightness without making the boot too stiff for me with the two upper buckles.
How ever I had some issues in two areas and both feels like I would need just a little bit more space there. First one is tailor's bunion and it's actually the same with problem that I have had with my older Hawk Ultra boots and it have been solved perfectly just with a normal memory fit process. For that are I used pads while foaming and after foaming was ready shell was also modified manually but it seems that these were not enough. The second issue is with malleolus that I didn’t expect at all and thats why I didn’t use pads there while foaming.
So I have two questions:
1. How should I try to refit the boots? Just the normal memoryfit process or something else? Can that do something bad for already foamed liner? Should both the shell and liner be warmed up?
2. How situations were some shell fitting is needed should normally be done? If memory fit process have been earlier enough is it possible to do that first with the liner without the foam?
My personal thought on Memory Fit is that it is great when:Quote:
Originally Posted by Niksile
- you need a lot of work done to the shell when normal stretching & grinding is too time consuming and/or the required area of expansion is simply too big
- you don't have time/ability to revisit your boot-fitter for multiple refits
- you favor comfort over performance
Traditional stretching & grinding is great when:
-you just need a couple of stretches
-you have the time/ability to revisit your boot-fitter for multiple refits
-you favor performance over comfort (you don't want any wasted movement in your fit)
My personal opinion is to just treat the specific areas that need addressing, so just have your boot-fitter stretch the 1st met and ankle(s) that are bothering you. But if you choose to do Memory Fit, you don't need to reheat the liner, just heat the shell.
Just took my first few laps in mimics. My foot is so locked in the difference in feedback from the snow / ski is amazing, I feel like a different skier. Nice work ONK.
Also, the foaming process is a pretty amazing feeling - that goo working it’s way around your ankle / Achilles was very …soothing? I’d pay money to feel that regularly…
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Awesome stuff- that's exactly what we're going for. The foaming portion of the fitting process is something else, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
know of anyone in the Tahoe area stocking the mimic liners? i've been calling around with no luck so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
I think Christian at Elite feet has…
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Atomic Professional Series Mimic Liners in Salomon X-pro 120
A question for OneNerdyKid: What would be the process and sequence for molding & foaming these liners for use with in my Salomon X-Pro 120's? Should the shell also be heated and what is the heat, foam, buckle sequence of the process? Thanks!
I’d love to grab a couple pair of these for my racer girls next year….
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Updates from Luke Koppa on the Mimic Professional liner & Professional Dual Strap vs. Booster: https://blisterreview.com/flash-revi...0-professional
Mental masturbation on liners this evening… got my Mimic Pros foamed and skied them today.
In short: they are good (way better than any stock liner I’ve tried). But I hesitate to call them “best liner ever” for my foot and my skiing.
27.5 Mimic Pro liners in my heavily punched 26.5 Hawx Ultra 120 S shells.
Foaming process was easy. 5 minutes per side. Cool to feel it flowing around your ankle and back half of the foot during the process. My liners came with the HV Tongue (which is the thinnest), and I didn’t have the option of switching it out at the shop the day I got foamed. Maybe more tongue options there later this season, and I think I would benefit from a thicker one.
Skied them today. Heel and ankle hold is very good. On par with a stock Zipfit or most Intuition HV liners. The plastic reinforced tongue maybe adds a little forward flex stiffness compared to my Intuitions or Zipfits.
Material around the toe box and met heads is pretty thin. Similar to Zipfit but less stretchy than their Neoprene. Definitely less material than HV Intuitions (which means more wiggle room but also less warmth compared to the Intuitions).
My Zipfit WC 27.5 have a ton of extra Omfit added. Like 5+ cork additions to each liner. And they probably offer a tighter overall fit than the Mimic Pro. But functionally on the ski hill, they feel pretty similar. Just have to buckle down a bit more with Mimic Pro, where my super fat Zipfit is basically bursting at the seams unbuckled.
Too early to tell, but I’m going to guess that for my foot and my Haglunds, I will probably try an HV Intuition again. In both the Mimic Pro and the Zipfit, there is just less material and a harder/firmer overall feel around the heel. And many people may prefer that. But the additional material and softer foam of the Intuition HV means more comfort (and secondarily more warmth) for me personally.
I reserve the right to change my mind of course ;)
I’ll ski the liners back to back or one shell with one and one shell with another this season just to be sure.
Ok, end rant.
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Thanks for all the info Matt. Got a few questions on the tounges for my situation:Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
I broke my first metatarsal on my right foot when I was 10, and as a result my right foot has a shorter instep, lower arch, and is just shy of 3/4 of a standard American shoe size shorter than my left foot. In my current boot (old dalbello lupo sp) I've sized down for my smaller foot, toe punched the left boot, got custom foot beds, and added a bunch of foam over the instep of my right foot to fill the instep void which I have tinkered into a pretty darn functional layout. However, the presence of the foam increases the stiffness of my right boot, so the buckles and strap tightnesses are a little funky to get right when I'm actually on the hill. It performs pretty well, but frequent cold & numb toes are telling me my fit is still basically dog shit.
My questions are: would I be able to get different volume tounges for each foot, if that would address the instep difference issue, and if different tongue volume would create an unmanageable difference in boot flex?
Obviously, a lot can be done with a bootfitter, but it seems like the combo of the tongue volumes and foam injection are a real opportunity to solve my problems if I decide to spring for a pair of atomic pros in the future. Just want to get some confirmation before I make the $1k investment ;)
Thanks!
With any aftermarket liner, previous stretching/shell work can affect how a new liner behaves in the shell. For example, if you've modified the shell to fit the super thick ZipFit into it, then that will affect how a new liner interfaces/meshes with the foot & shell combo. There is also a Low Volume fit option for the tongue which will create a snugger fit for sure. That's what Luke did in his Blister review.Quote:
Originally Posted by DGamms
The 3 different thicknesses of tongues we have create 3 noticeably different fits. One of the things a custom boot will achieve (or allow to be achieved) is addressing differences between left and right feet, which is honestly super common. So if you need to go with a MV fit tongue on one foot and a LV fit on the other, then that's a perfect example of addressing the needs of each foot, and our system allows for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by beeshbeesh
How much do these change the flex? If put into a sti 110 will it still be a 110?
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You'll notice the boot becoming slightly stiffer, but not enough to turn the right flex into the wrong flex. I would say the boot becomes more direct, responsive, and powerful more so than it becomes stiffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
I received my Atomic professional boots today and I have to say I am impressed. I fondle a lot of boots and this liner is impressive in its quality. The boot feels stiffer than my Ultra 130 with the mimic liner.
Is your new Professional boot an Ultra Professional? Is your previous Ultra from the 1st generation or current version?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jtlange
Stoked you like the liner quality - it was definitely a focus of ours to leave nothing out and go the extra mile on this one.
Yes it is the Ultra Professional, coming from a current gen Ultra. I already really liked the Mimic but this is a step up for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
Hey ONK, what's the best way to get the different volume tongues? Is there any way I can order them directly or do I need to track down a shop to order them for me? I think I need this one (looking to take up more volume in a 25.5)
https://www.atomic.com/en/shop-emea/...ml#color=34161
Wait, isn't the thickest tongue (for narrow ankles) called "Low Volume" and white? MV is black?Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
If you want a High Volume fit, go with the High Volume Tongue (thinnest tongue, or more room)Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
If you want a Low Volume fit, go with the Low Volume Tongue (thickest tongue, or less room)