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The public's attitude is a big part of why it hasn't happened yet. Obviously, the technology already exists to fly military drones remotely, but nobody wants to ride on a pilotless flight, so the theoretical first step is eliminating the First Officer by putting them on the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Then the captain is gonna be like the old Maytag repairman
But they'll never get rid of the flight attendants.
I think Sullenberger has a contrary opinion here.
Didn’t read the thread, the answer is hard no.
economics, not techno fears. Uber drivers make shit and supply, clean and maintain the expensive car. Any “robotaxi” service has to compete against this, and if you expect waves of job disruption you’d expect more supply of people willing to drive ubers with their own car for peanuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
Cleaning the car between riders is a big question mark. What are all these robot cars going to do, go back to headquarters after each passenger and have the car checked and cleaned? How is the robot going to know if somebody puked in the back? Or even just left a pile of fast food garbage. Christ, people will be shooting up in robot cars, having sex, you name it. Need a human to deal with this aspect of the service.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Otherwise known as human nature. Not easily changed or overcome. It can take generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Is that...
sperm?
And now a few minutes after posting about dirty Uber cars look what appears on my gram feed. [emoji3]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...390ae181c6.jpg
I dunno. While the tech is certainly CAPABLE of flying no prob, what no AI can do (yet) is handle the hard ethical decisions that pilots sometimes have to make when SHTF. That is just something that I don't believe people will ever be comfortable with. Leaving your life in the hands of another human being just sits better with me than having a robot deciding on whether or not we gonna die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Plus, who's gonna handle the technical stuff that requires a physical presence if no crew's on board? There is many an aviation story of crewmen saving the day by climbing out of their seats and taking care of business. No AI is capable of physically handling something critical in the avionics compartment or elsewhere , ya know?
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Contrary to what? I didn't express an opinion. The American military and industry are working to automate all modes of transportation. Same goes for the EU. That's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Oh no, I wouldn't presume to argue with a pro. It's just that I got a sense that some think it's possible.
I mean, no way a robot could have pulled off what he did, right? Well, maybe in Terminator future times, but, shit, I don't even want to know.
Also, at risk of being dunked-on by all the rich important ppl here, I have driven truck, taxi, bus, and lyft for a living for the last 10 years or so.
The self-driving vehicle thing makes a lot of sense to me under limited specialized circumstances: replacing team-driving scenarios for bi-coastal cross-country freeway freight runs, handling certain really tricky tight dark parking/docking situations...maybe some really straightforward terminal-to-terminal express transit or greyhound kind of runs.
I think there’s an awful lot of complex intractable problems to solve before we just get in a vehicle and get taken wherever we want to go.
I have to think they must have a way, now, to be operating the current state of the art software in a passive mode as a professional million or two or three million safe mile driver works, and recording and learning from any deviations between what the machine tries to do versus what the pro does. They’ve gotta be doing those studies, I’d be interested in seeing how much deviation there is, and what the after-action turns up on those errors.
Also, one nail in the coffin of my truck driving days was that twice the freightliner software dynamited the brakes on its own for no good reason, and one of those times it almost caused a crash, so I felt like those trucks were unsafe to drive because the panic-stop automation stuff was not correct.
One spiked the brakes for a deer I wasn’t going to hit. The other locked the brakes on an off ramp because it thought I was headed for a guardrail. I am telling you, when you’re just doing normal driving stuff in the middle of a 2500 mile week in a 110,000 mile year, and your truck just slams the brakes on in the middle of a random turn... you want to gtfo of that truck and not get back in it.
I was left with a sense that, while that was a snapshot of that particular tech in that moment of time, it also represented something more ominous and persistent: that industry will deploy tech that’s not ready for prime-time. As such, I’m nervous about these inevitable rollouts.
Also, somebody shit my bus just the other day, just me and her, said nothing to me. I was disinfecting and found shit smeared on the seat.
Camera, no camera.... somebody is going to shit or puke or jizz or die in that car. People are. t h e w o r r r s t.
Wow, ias. That is freaking crazy. Screw that. What compels these idiotic companies to implement premature "safety" tech like that? Probably another reason (asides from the mandatory regen nonsense I used to deal with) that older rigs go for a premium these days. Drivers don't want that crap! Along with the big brother connected logs and what not, talk about intrusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
Yup. Drove a cab in 70s NYC. People suck a lot.
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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
At this point, all they're seriously looking at is shared control between someone in the air and someone on the ground, but who knows what slippery slope might follow that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Needless to say, the big pilot unions are against this for both safety and job protection, but they're preparing for damage control if/when it might come to fruition. Part of that fight is that the industry has been in a race to the bottom for so long that there's a major recruitment problem (pre-covid, that is) so the airlines would love to reduce the number of 'real' pilots required.
People love the cheap fares. Just like Uber. Blame the user.
Absofuckinglutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
And the tech that works, but doesn't correctly inform the operator, resulting in a dangerous tug of war.
And the tech that was imagined by one team, designed by another, built by yet another, with the technical writing performed by another, incorporated into a training syllabus by a different organization, taught by independent contractors between midnight and 6am, and not seen during normal ops so that when it does rear its head, there's a good chance it'll be a huge WTF moment at time where there isn't much time.
You’re not a cynic...Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Here’s a real cynical take: they’ll just put drivers in there who have no real control, pay them even less because the machine does everything, then lay all the blame on the drivers when things go wrong.
Um, I think it’s a huge cultural and economic class divide, and a resultant respect deficit, between operators and executives/administrators/engineers. A couple meetings over cocaine and cocktails is worth more to the executives than 10,000 of their workers screaming please don’t do this to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
It’s a continually-repeating story in our culture, encompassing many fields.
i mean, whats the point of even fucking in a taxi if there isn't a driver right?
Like those poor souls piloting Ethiopian flight 302.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Striker
Fly Cheapass Air - no pilot necessary. Just a trained dog to bite your ass should you not behave during the flight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
No way. Robots with tazers.
Thats what hour tesla can be eventually. When your working your tesla can be making money for you
Their guidance system gets better by the minute, literally. The cars are analyzing drive data from every tesla constantly throughout the world. The system is getting so good that it can stay in a lane on a snow covered road atm. The have internsl cameras already to keep tabs on any cab fair so they dont do damage, kooks or drunks etc. Wont be long, the way tgeyre selling and collecting more and more data
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I can see driverless taxis, shuttles, freeway trucking--fleets where someone will be at a screen monitoring a lot of vehicles. Maybe adjusting speeds for weather. Dealing with the unexpected like construction. Completely replacing human driven cars--I strongly doubt it. For one thing--it would require a significant upgrade in our roads and highways and we can't maintain what we've already got. Keeping maps updated for every nook and cranny in the country. People will own cars with the capability but will need to take over at times. And if they ever figure out how to drive in snow, get ready for cars that refuse to go faster than the 25-30MPH chain control limit.
Hell, to the fuck, NO!
i have a hard time trusting cab drivers to begin with.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rs-seat-police
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Two men died after a Tesla vehicle, which was believed to be operating without anyone in the driver’s seat, crashed into a tree north of Houston, authorities said.
“There was no one in the driver’s seat,” Sgt Cinthya Umanzor of the Harris County Constable Precinct 4 said of the crash on Saturday night.
The 2019 Tesla Model S was traveling at high speed when it failed to negotiate a curve and went off the roadway, crashing to a tree and bursting into flames, local television station KHOU-TV said.
After the fire was extinguished, authorities located two passengers, with one in the front passenger seat while the other was in the back seat of the Tesla, the report said, citing Harris County Precinct 4 police officer Mark Herman.
Let the lawsuits begin.
Driverless vehicles... yay for more useless tech
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I'm bored so reading through the thread. Wanted to mention in the trailer park I live in. I noticed there are two cars with Uber and Lyft signs in the window. That's two people here doing that. I don't know if it's extra income or the only income. But I wonder. New neighbors I don't know them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
All robots should pay taxes, just like the liveware they displaced.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
Will the robots smell of patchouli?
Elon must have wireless access to the black boxes on Tesla's.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...e-two-n1264623
I guess these noodnicks didn't realize they didn't have the upgrade.Quote:
Musk tweeted on Monday that data logs showed “autopilot was not enabled" for the car involved in Saturday's accident and that it did not have full self-driving capabilities. FSD is a $10,000 add-on feature that allows vehicles to automatically change lanes on highways and self-park.
Yup, ready to fly.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/autono...es-rescue-crew
So if I hang a weight on the Tesla steering wheel, I can take a nap in the backseat!
https://futurism.com/easy-drive-tesl...y-drivers-seat
Please do that.
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ha^.
Has anybody else seen these commercials for the Dominos driverless deliver vans/pods whatever the fuck you'd call them? How are they getting away with that one?