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20’. RIP. Devastating.
Damn. Condolences to all that knew the victims.
Vibes to all affected by this tragic accident
Just placed one of those names, didn’t know him directly. Just fucking sad. Vibes to all involved.
Wow. Mad vibes for for friends and family of the lost ones. RIP snow sliders. So sad.
The pics are unreal. The chainsaw usage is interesting.
I can’t imagine doing a grid search and not seeing a number lower than ~6.5. What a horrifying moment that must have been
To the mags who knew them, I am very sorry for your loss.
Can't even imagine 20' deep. Vibes to all touched by this disaster.
Guy’s using a chainsaw to cut into the debris in one pictureQuote:
Originally Posted by Tech Tonics
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I assume the chainsaw is brought as a matter of course because trees but comes in handy for debris especially 20' deep debris that's settled for 2 days.
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Similar to Sheep Creek in 2013.
If any of you want to support these families.
As the community of Eagle, our heart has been broken, but together, somehow, we will get though this.
If you'd like to support the families, their information is here:
Amanda and Andy Jessen
https://gofund.me/27e8bc73
Kalie and Adam Palmer
https://gofund.me/956ba1dc
Cindy and Seth Bossung
https://gofund.me/b30121d0
Please also hold the surviving members of the group in your hearts as they bravely move forward.
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Bad memories, lost a few friends in that one too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw
I’m pretty much over BC skiing in CO at this point. Especially in mid winter. Might have to move to the west coast. Shit is getting depressing.
better rule out AlaskaQuote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/anch...-troopers-say/
Not looking to change the subject here from the avalanche in Silverton, but CO has far more avalanche deaths than anywhere else in the country year after year. Shitty Continental snowpack being a very big reason for that. Over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BFD
I feel ya. Step away from the internet for a few days. You will find more peace that way. RIP
FUCK. Condolences and vibes from north of the border here. Hits hard.
Snow pack doesn't kill people. Peoples decisions are at the root of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Vibes for those left behind that have to deal with the grief and loss.
Personally, I have stopped skiing anything consequential in the backcountry mid-winter. There is plenty of good skiing to be had within ski area boundaries that doesn't carry significant risk of leaving my 4 kids without a father. All of the waist deep powder on earth isn't worth that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
Colorado still has one of the best spring "peak bagging" seasons anywhere.
Sincere condolences to the friends and family of the victims.
++vibesQuote:
Originally Posted by skiracer88_00
Heartbreaking story.
I can't even wrap my head around a 20' burial. The chainsaw puts it in perspective.
And those decisions have far less margin for error in the Continental snowpack found around Colorado for entire seasons. Not taking anything away from the danger of avalanches in other areas, it just gets really old here in CO when most seasons have some kind of shitty snowpack and you lose many friends because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
The statistics agree with this. Since 1950, Colorado has more avalanche fatalities than the next two states COMBINED.Quote:
Originally Posted by Name Redacted
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You can get away with bad decisions more regularly if your snowpack is generally more stable.
Exactly the train of thought I have adopted the last 4 years and will continue to have moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiracer88_00
Continued thoughts of those lost <3
Continuing down the road that this discussion is trending will only lead to MMQBing and bad shit may be said at a difficult time for people who are hurting.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Hoping to "get away" with bad decisions is a symptom of flaws in the decision making process.
RE: that graph, Colorado also has the largest population of all those States and some of the easiest access to consequential avalanche terrain as well as a much longer history of people and avalanches interacting.
I would also add that it would seem that most folks who reside and recreate in CO know that you guys can have a tricky Continental snow pack and they still keep trying to apply their hopes and goals to that snow pack rather than making adjustments in their behavior.
Anyway, shitty deal all the way around.
The graph means absolute zilch unless just backcountry rec and it's per days skied.
Agreed with all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
“We” used to try to follow a rule where the general chat room was for grieving an incident and there would be a thread about the incident in the slide room for discussing/analyzing, respectfully.
Saw there’s another’s avi and missing person in east vail. Mentioning here because it may affect same community.
RE E Vail, Awwww fuck.:(
So fucking sad to hear.
I googled North Dakota avalanche death but could only find a North Dakotan who died in Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
This is incorrect, at least the first part for WA and CA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
confirmed death in east vail :(
Okay, I’m going to the general forum to post about a 2/3/21 death in NorCal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
As people note the tragic similarity with deep burial in terrain trap deep burial sheep creek, it makes me think that another similarity is the group size. 7 here, 6 at Sheep.
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Fuck.
Given the state of the snowpack, AND the conditions that we're currently living under (the stress, isolation, uncertainty, restrictions, unemployment, political insanity/hatred, etc.) we should consider that most of us are at an increased risk of dying in an avalanche this year.
Everything is harder right now. It's harder to get work done. Harder to be a husband and a father. Harder to be empathetic to people you disagree with. Harder to stay sober. Harder to give a fuck some days. I strongly suspect that we collectively have a diminished capacity to make good decisions, including decisions about where to ski and where not to ski.
It's easy (and tempting) to read these reports and think "I wouldn't make that mistake." But if I ask myself, "When have I let my guard down in avy terrain and gotten away with it" I have no trouble thinking of examples. Same if I ask, "when have my partners pointed out important details (snowpack, weather, terrain) that I overlooked?"
We are intermittently rational creatures with incomplete understandings of what drives our behavior. We are all capable of unwittingly acting against our best interests and better judgement. Especially now. Take it easy out there.
Not for sure, but I think this one also had at least one guide in the group, as did the Sheep Creek accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
In both cases the terrain trap was (at least partially) avoidable. In the Sheep Creek case, they could have crossed the creek. In the recent accident, they could have turned left and skinned back to the ridge (and toward the hut) instead of turning right under the larger, steeper face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick
Extremely well stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Seems like if they stayed high they could have traversed without even skinning up onto the adjacent south face the road and hut are on. But I wasn't there. Don't know what their thinking was but there are obviously all kinds of dynamics at play there.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Feeling for the partners and survivors and all those that knew the deceased.
A very close friend spent a harrowing three days on this recovery. On top of the other two in December. These aren't' her first but they add up and she's been profoundly affected by these two events.
Some excellent observations.
I think when the report is out a lot of people will say how could the group have done XXXX.
And if they are honest with themselves they will say, "fuck that could have been me".
Brutal. +++Vibes+++ to all affected.