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Larry Houchen knows what he's doing; that recommendation is right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdeist
It does measure heel width, but for some reason I can't import those numbers into my business account. No other scanning method really measures ankle volume either, and many bootfitters don't even think about it - you can get a good sense of ankle volume by analyzing the diameter of the ankle where the scan cuts off, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
See post #76 above, assuming by "hybrid" you mean a touring capable boot that skis more or less like a dedicated alpine boot?Quote:
Originally Posted by DigSki
Makes me want to try some Lange Rx.....Quote:
Originally Posted by jdeist
Any punches?
Hi
Nice app and good idea. The intro and narration is nice, but could be skipped a bit for a second reading.
Attached my two scan as well as the one from the fisher scan app.
I am currently in a Nordica Strider 25 boot, 100mm Last
Next to me is a Lange XT3 130 25.5 (non LV, 100mm Last) the photos of the foot, are something very reddened, what do you / you think?
can this be fixed with a baking of the liner and padding those spots? Or with some grinding of the shell on the inside of the ankle?
Thank you and good luck with the app!
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This is pretty cool. It has the potential to be a very good resource for those of us who live in the boondocks and don't have access to a good selection of boots to try/good fitters to help with the selection process. Observations from my scan are that the general shape/geometry is reasonable, but individual measurements are +/- a few mm and that it's difficult to judge overall fit from three numbers collected from a complex 3D shape. I know with certainty that my right foot is longer than my left foot and I have never identified a functional difference in width between my feet for instance.
Currently in original shell Full Tilts in a 28.5 for lift-served skiing. Tight one finger shell fit with no punches or any other fit issues. I have described the fit as being "sock-like" with even pressure everywhere.
Current touring boots are Hawx Prime XTD in a 28.5. Finger and half shell fit. Usually run Intuition Pro Tour liners in place of stock. Instep and ankle/heel are snug. Toe box provides a bit of wiggle room which is appreciated on long days. Still dialing in ramp and forward lean with these, but already do everything better than the Maestrale RS I was in previously. Could probably have gone with the Ultra XTD, but would have required some shell work that I wasn't confident I would get locally. Buddy with very similar feet skis the Ultra, but it took some doing/may not have been his approach if the Prime was available last year.
This is pretty cool. The demonstration model is worthy. Makes my feet look way prettier than in real life but numbers seem pretty close to what I’ve measured in the past
Only issue was it kept telling me to "move closer" when I actually had to move phone up for wider view
For reference currently in:
26.5 Lange RX130 100mm last with zipfit liner and no shell work, custom footbed
26.5 Lange XT freetour LV stock liner with a fair bit of punching for width especially on lateral side and right navicular, off the shelf footbed
27 TLT5p for touring, off the shelf footbed, if I recall correctly squeezed the shell down to reduce vertical volume and give a bit of width in forefoot
About to try 26.5 Atomic Hawx XTD - based on preliminary try on I may get away with a liner mold, if not shell mold almost certainly will give me width needed, but I'm concerned about needing to punch for length.
I reckon if I stuck with zipfit liner I'd prefer to be in 97mm LV RX or RS. Stock liner not sure.
I wonder if for ski boot fitting output needs to go up a little higher and address ankle volume in some way
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Your foot is much too narrow to be in either of those 100mm boots (my foot is 26.77 long and 117mm wide, and I'm in a 26.5 XT3 LV). The only real issues are instep height (especially the right) and a rather oval ankle shape that pushes the instep further forward. Try grinding the bootboard, thinner footbed, cutting elastic and vinyl out of the liner, stretching instep area with heat, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by oceans
You have a slight bulge in the medial midfoot area (seen in the photos) that can be accommodated by punching the shell.
[QUOTE=gregL;6201898]Your foot is much too narrow to be in either of those 100mm boots (my foot is 26.77 long and 117mm wide, and I'm in a 26.5 XT3 LV). The only real issues are instep height (especially the right) and a rather oval ankle shape that pushes the instep further forward. Try grinding the bootboard, thinner footbed, cutting elastic and vinyl out of the liner, stretching instep area with heat, etc.
You have a slight bulge in the medial midfoot area (seen in the photos) that can be accommodated by punching the shell.[/]
Thanks Greg for your take on this. Very exciting. The 100mm last perhaps really related to the fact that I often have cramps in the feet?
The LV would be but even tighter over the instep not?
Can the very fine bootboard of the Lange be grinded?
Cramps are probably a result of excessive instep pressure and/or poor fitting footbeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by oceans
An LV last will be 1-2mm lower over the instep, but overall volume is still fine - you need to find someone to modify the profile of the instep region.
The thin and fragile bootboard on the XT3 is not a good candidate for grinding, unfortunately.
The last that comes closest to your foot shape is probably the Atomic Ultra - the instep is fairly high, but the small cuff diameter is working against you. Salomon S/Max last would also be a contender for shape, and the bootboard is thick, but no walk mode is available yet.
Greg, isn’t the smax one of the lowest insteps on the market? That’s what I’ve seen.
ok so you would go with the XT3 130 LV - Version and fix the instep with heat on the shell and padding the foot for the liner?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
The X Max was among the lowest, they raised the instep on the S/Max so it is pretty average now, but it heat molds really well with some foam over the cuneiforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Here's the wifes small feet. As a note the app made her stand so wide compared to her height, I'm pretty sure she collapsed her instep.
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Tell your wife gregL from TGR says "thank you!"Quote:
Originally Posted by jdeist
I think the app wants the feet placed in a particular relation to the piece of paper, so everyone is pretty much at the same width . . .
PS What boot is your wife in? Or only snowboard boots? As for ski boots that come in 21.5, you are pretty much limited to Dalbello (3 models) and a few plug race boots.
Also, the bootboard is quite thick on the new S/Max and you can grind it a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Personally I would use a lever punch with a wedge to make the instep taller, but what you suggest won't hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by oceans
Right:
26 mondo
Length: 262.9
Width: 99.3
Instep: 65.7
Heel: 68.2
Left:
26 mondo
length: 263
Width: 102
Instep: 67.4
Heel: 71
I couldn’t get the screenshot to post, and sounds like you’ve got your sample size but I wanted in on the fun....
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Thanks, riff. What boots/size are you in?Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
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27.5 RX130lv
27.5 Zero-g tour scout
Thinking I might try the xt3 in the standard width.
I would try the LV instead, fit is similar to the 99mm Zero G (more volume than other Lange LV lasts). Can you post side views of your feet as well? Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
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Originally Posted by gregL
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Thanks, the side views let me pick out potential instep issues better. I normally like to see a top view, but you can't rotate the image top-to-bottom on your phone app, only in the retail business version.
25 Lupo factory, almost not long enough but good everywhere else, with intuition liners and Sole footbeds. 26 would likely be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
26 tlt6, punched for width, perfect with homebrew intuition tour wraps and Sidas customs.
26 scarpa Alien RS, pretty good with heel lift, forefoot bootboard grind and stock liner.
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I can’t get it to complete the process, specifically the data harvesting of my personal info. The foot scan got done.
How long did you wait once you got to the email/code page for the logo to stop spinning?
I received the code email but couldn’t get beyond that
Mine took about 4 seconds - maybe the same problem Reformed had, you need to allow the app to use your location?Quote:
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Alright, will try again later
Same with me. All good until I went to put in state... then came the spinning logo of infinityQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
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Bummer. I'll ask the devs about it Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by mn_teleswede
Me tooQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
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Gets stuck loading when I try to enter what state I live in. Deleted the app and tried all over again with the same issue.
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app only available for US atm? Google Play says unavailable to download in my region
worked fine for me in the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
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Very cool app. Currently in an Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD 130 26.5 with stock liner and off the shelf footbed. Love how they ski, but recently have been experience some numbness in my big and pinky toes after a few hours of wearing. Have had a shell and liner mold done on the boots, thinking I may need some shell work done in the toe box area to give a little more width?
Sorry everybody, I got this response from the product manager at Netvirta. Not sure what he means by "edge cases" as this seems to be affecting quite a few people who try the app.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
"Thank you for the continued feedback. We also observed the "state" input issue and are working to remedy it. I passed all of this feedback along to our QA team. Until I receive feedback from them, I do not have any immediate suggestions for you. The issues appear to be edge case bugs that we didn't catch during internal testing. I'll revert once I have more feedback to share. Any bug fixes will come in the form of a simple app update."
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Dalbello Panterra 28,5
Lupo AX 120 29,5 (although that one seems to have way too much volume)
Would appreciate your input on other boots as it is really hard to find a decent bootfitter in Europe.
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I ski a 265 0GTP with 1st and 5th met punches on both boots. Seems odd that the app says my feet are not that wide since that has not been my impression. I'd be fine with Scouts but the bootfitter was concerned a softer boot would deform into my meaty instep.
I also have RX130s (regular volume) and those are a more natural fit. I still took 5th met punches on both boots though. I have a hard time imagining squeezing into a 255 or a 265 LV but maybe I'm missing the boat. I'd welcome your thoughts.
Other screenshots that Greg requested.
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For those of you having trouble entering your "state" or with the app crashing while the image is being generated, here's today's response from NetVirta:
"Quick update. We will have some of the identified bugs fixed by end of this week but will continue testing until next week. That said, to be safe, look out for an app update next week."