I was more of a devotee of the wasted, mad, wildman mogul style:
https://youtu.be/MGhCVifDPws?t=67
https://youtu.be/MGhCVifDPws?t=232
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I was more of a devotee of the wasted, mad, wildman mogul style:
https://youtu.be/MGhCVifDPws?t=67
https://youtu.be/MGhCVifDPws?t=232
Just don't do it like this
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Is that a vid of me from 1989? That style was part of my learning curve back when it didn't hurt me to fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
I like bumps, and yes that’s a Towelie/Phish shirt
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Pretty much the same for me, stylish too fast wipeouts at MRG.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
In the words of The Great White Jah Lion aka Tanner Hall:
"LET'ER BUCK!!!"
An instructor told me, the weird bump shapes are caused by defensive skiing. 90% of the snowboarders are defensive on bumps. I think you are on to something. Are bumps round in Alta?Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
Post 83, thats a blast from the past. Some how I stumbled on this thread. That 2nd skier in post 83's video link is Squirrel (Bob) O'Callahan, now deceased, who was a ski buddy from Seattle area. Some will know that that is the worlds first hotdog contest at Aspen sponsored by film maker Dick Barrymore, 1969 or 70. Winner was Dave Wheeler. Story is in his K2 film The Performers. I love how Squirrel adjusts his goggles near the end of his "run", while on his back going backwards. Those contests were crazy spectacular, you never knew what was going to happen, unlike the carbon copy zipper runs of current mogul contests, though all are certainly great athletes. Guy doing the flip over the Matterhorn is also an old Seattle ski buddy, Jim G. That story is in Barrymore's movie Assignment K2. Both classics in my book. I was involved in that whole pioneer freestyle/hotdogger era. Thanks for the memories.
I have similar problems and would love to ski faster in moguls the coming season.
Best example I've seen of this is at Taos (It's a been a few years so excuse my if I get some detail wrong). At the top of Reforma under whatever lift that is you see the worst bumps where the slope angle is the least steep. Move to either side where the pitch gets into the mid 30's and the bumps get much better. Move a hundred yards skiers right into the trees where the slope angle is even steeper and you find nice, big, round, perfect bumps. The tighter, steeper spots that are typically avoided by less skilled skiers (and snowboarders) tend to have better bumps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lvovsky
I concur. Go to Alta for bumps that haven't been snowboarderizedQuote:
Originally Posted by TBS
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Oh yea, no doubt.
I just haven't figured how to ski boarderized bump fields when there's vertical ridges every meter across the field
I have enough trouble on nice round ones where there's a full ski length between bumps - can't tell you how many times I've launched off a bump and executed that land-on-one(inside)-foot-maneuver you see many times in Freeheel's vid. And the aftermath...
Plenty of defensive skiers too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lvovsky
Bump shape in the Sierra is a lot different than in the Rocky. Huge dumps of wet snow followed by long dry spells make for close together pointed bumps with vertical sides and faces and deep narrow troughs. Bumps in the Sierra have been tough since well before snowboards.
Vt-Free likes bumps
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Channeling my inner Wong
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^^^nice
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I like how when you look at the average bump slope almost everyone is standing still.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Mushrooms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
That was impressive
More like Bob Mann there.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Slow dog noodleQuote:
Originally Posted by wickstad
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Not that there is anything wong with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greydon Clark
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
Full pin switch to the parking lot and crack a Zima
Avoid them. Don’t ski them. Seriously we don’t really get moguls at local hill
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So this pic is good example of what people should be doing, but don't. (Well except that hand drop [emoji6]) Most people I see skiing bumps are too static/stiff. Your knees need to be going up toward your chest. Bumps are an intense workout if you're skiing them properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
So if you want to ski them better, get in better shape. Abs are key.
They do make you a better skier overall without a doubt.
@bendtheski is a bump ripper. Listen to his advice.
There was a time I enjoyed skiing them at kmart when Donna's ponytail was bouncing down OL, but I could honestly care less about ever skiing them again. I was never that good anyway. My good friend was on the pro circuit and even he doesn't seek them out anymore.
To respond to the OP...no strategy necessary, just learn to ski them. And then you will realize that there a lot of different ways (but IMO the right way is straight down the zipperline, like all the good (competition) mogul skiers usually do--this style has slightly changed over the past few decades but is still fundamentally stay in the fucking fall line and make it work, regardless of what the bumps are like).
I loved bumps in the 80s, still do but they are very different animals these days; there was a time when (not that long ago) the only skis that created "good" bump runs on the steeps were 68 wide and 205 long, on runs only good skiers ventured; had to make a round turn to check speed, not a 120wide 180s making hokey stops or a 155x26 heelside bulldozer arms aflail anywhere is sight but the future.
ps tips down, hands forward, head/shoulders still, flick don't plant, feet together, find a fall line and zipper it.
The evolution of moguls in my 50+ years of skiing is kind of interesting. When I was 13 and really starting to focus on skiing them, I was probably 5'-5" tall, maybe 130 lbs and skiing on a pair of 203's. The bumps were all formed by people skiing 200+ skis and were pretty good skiers so the bumps were elongated with nice turn shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0ardski
By the mid to later 70's, there was a fad for going to short skis, 170'ish range. I hated them! The shops were really pushing these short skis out the door and the moguls were becoming these chopped up stair steps without a good flow for the longer skis that I skied. I remember seeing signs at some area runs that called for nothing shorter than 200 cm. I actually did cave when I was around 19 or so and bought a pair of Authier A3 in, I think, 174. They were short. And awful. But, they fit the bumps better, which was what I was after. Those skis lasted a couple years then it was back to something more reasonable.
Skis started getting longer again toward 1980, as I recall, and the bumps started getting better. Then came the snowboards that started creating the cascading stair ridges again. Someone above noted that they're from defensive turns. That seems about right.
Anyway, since about 1990, I really haven't been skiing bumps much as we really don't get them at Schweitzer too often. Every now and then, No Joke will be allowed to bump up and I'll run it four or five times. Other than that, not much that isn't mowed down by the groomers. What I have noticed, though, is that when we get them, they seem to be a little more like the old days and fun to ski. But I have to throw this back to Glenn Plake who famously states: Short skis suck!
loved my mark V's ,203 slalom skis ftw
Yeah, I had two pair of 205 Mark II V.C.E that I loved. First pair, the bases were popping out chunks where the edge cracks were, replaced by warranty, stolen at Jack Ass the following year. I loved them but they weren't that great of a design idea. The bases on the second ones were popping, too but I just skied them like that. Was going to send them in at the end of the season but, gone... Home owners insurance and I was onto something else, maybe the Authiers??? don't remember.
Snowboarding has forever fucked up bumps. Go to Alta/Snowbird well after a storm and compare bumps on both sides of the border. Its blatant.Quote:
Originally Posted by b0ardski
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by teledave
My current strategy is to wait until 2022 to ski them.
Good idea. By then, they will have gotten rid of the old used ones and replaced them with some new stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by billyk
I promise I don’t say this just to be contrarian, but I expected that to be true, then when I lived there and had the combined pass I found I liked the rounder flowier lines at Snowbird better than the sharp walls I found at Alta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
I remember being really surprised about it.
I've degraded far more than the moguls have.
I still like getting after them in the right conditions.
My strategy is to take four to five turns at a time then stop. maybe this season I’ll get to six!
Where’s that other thread, there was one video that helped me a lot. A coach was describing the absorbing motion and it finally dawned on me I was getting into the backseat trying to “absorb”
These days I still suck but I’m going the same speed of suck no matter what line I chose. Ideally, anyway.
Also these:
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Maybe a bit “hooky” and my bad skill leads to tips crossing but a small waist I can take a couple turns on one side if I need to. Like up the side but then back down the same side on the back, more like 3 instead of two if that makes sense.
Scratching and surviving.
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Go to 1:20 on this video. It illustrates the absorption pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jong Lafitte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jlRPwHlfMc
Back in the day the bumps were rounder, the powder was deeper, the women were freer, the music was louder, the drugs were trippier . . .
Zipper ..Straight down stop and gasp for air after 30 . Repeat .... Natural ,straight down hit a bunch set up a nice air into a trough and stop ....gasp for air . I'm almost 60and still have my knees so might as well go for it.