Lange XT3 140

Minor thread hijack here: does anyone know the best place to find replacement soles for RX 130 LV's? They're the 2016ish version (all black with green buckles). I'm coming up empty on google... looks like there are some out there but they are expensive ($80) and I'm not sure if they will work.

I see some gripwalk soles on the Lange website but no link to order them. I'm also pretty sure I have some older RX 130 LV's in storage (green/white shells) so maybe I could re-use those soles if they're in decent shape?

^^^ I've always called and ordered them directly from Lange/ Rossi/ Dynastar. Used to be a customer service phone number on US website. No idea if they still have it or are answering it in the covid era.

Also saw some on fleabay last time I was looking

^^ 1-435-252-3300. Call them, they are very helpful.

Sweet, thx

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Originally Posted by robnow

Are you going back into Ski mode with buckles undone? I realized at some point that when the cuff buckles are tight, the plastic piece on the inside that moves up/down sometimes doesn’t have room to move (pressed against the liner) so won’t switch from Walk to Ski or vice versa. Now I make sure to hit the switch first before buckling.

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I've noticed this, too. When in walk mode then switching, I've had to kind of work them at times to get back in ski mode but it's not been too big of a deal. I haven't had the icing problem that Joey had but haven't been in the same conditions. I have skied with them in walk mode without realizing it but figured I stayed out of the back seat so it wasn't an issue. Could be bad if you went backseat while in walk mode, though...

Have a few days on these things now. I'm still somewhat reserved, but a few thoughts:

I really don't like the stock liner. I skied a few days on it and felt like I needed to really crank in my buckles to get it tight enough for my tiny ankles; then when I did, I'd get a lot of pressure on my medial malleolus. Could be an issue with my footbeds though. I ended up throwing some intuitions from my TX comps into the boots and I like the result much more so far.

I put a power strap on my pair. Thought I'd like it, but I actually like the flex of the boot more with the stock strap. I believe the forward lean is agressive enough that getting the boot to flex is easier than other boots that would stand you more upright. I also find the boots a bit more susceptible to fluctuating temperatures. The difference between flexing the boot inside vs. in snow seems bigger than a lot of other boots. Even a lot of lange boots.

The forward lean I have mixed feelings about. On one hand, it encourages a much more technical stance. On the other hand, it's also catered toward being a freeride boot and a touring boot. As someone who mounts his skis forward of recommended a lot of the time, I also find a really aggressive forward lean less necessary than other skiers.

I dinked around with the single cuff adjustment that the boot has... I couldn't get it to budge. I'm fairly bowlegged, so this kinda bummed me out. Not sure if you can actually mave the cuff.

Still need some time to break in the intuitions in a new boot, more updates to come.

Interesting perception/input on forward lean as they are comparatively upright at 12° with a 4° ramp angle. That said I can't remember if the XT3 came with a cuff shim (?) and/or if you're comment is based on having that in the boot? I've been skiing in all forms of Lange boots for a while and really like the consistency of their fwd lean and ramp angles, but maybe that's because I'm getting old & creaky.

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Originally Posted by YoEddy

Interesting perception/input on forward lean as they are comparatively upright at 12° with a 4° ramp angle. That said I can't remember if the XT3 came with a cuff shim (?) and/or if you're comment is based on having that in the boot? I've been skiing in all forms of Lange boots for a while and really like the consistency of their fwd lean and ramp angles, but maybe that's because I'm getting old & creaky.

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The XT3 140 Pro model has a spoiler, presumably similar to the RS model this results in a forward lean of 16° instead of 12°.

My bootfitter couldn't get them to fit my relatively wide feet. After several sessions of punching, my bare foot was still touching the shell pretty much everywhere* with a lot of pressure on my fifth met head and styloid process (*except 5-10 mm in length). I ended up having to trade out to the Shift Pro 130, which is ginormous over the instep but fits much better in width. So I guess my warning is that even tho these are PU, they're quite thin and don't punch like an alpine boot. Maybe that's obvious to everyone here, but at the start of the season, the boot fitter was pretty confident he could make them work for me.

The stupid foam boot board is incredibly fragile, and broke on me the first day I skied them. Stupid design.

Overall comparing the XT 140 and the Shift Pro 130: the XT 140 has much better forward ROM in walk mode. They seem to flex pretty similarly, thought the XT 140 felt maybe sightly more progressive with more rebound. If I fit into the XT 140, I'd pick it over the Shift Pro for sure for the way it walks and skis (durability and walk mode concerns aside).

Also heard rumors that the XT140 walk mode is being changed next year because so many people have had issues with it.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

My bootfitter couldn't get them to fit my relatively wide feet. After several sessions of punching, my bare foot was still touching the shell pretty much everywhere* with a lot of pressure on my fifth met head and styloid process (*except 5-10 mm in length). I ended up having to trade out to the Shift Pro 130, which is ginormous over the instep but fits much better in width. So I guess my warning is that even tho these are PU, they're quite thin and don't punch like an alpine boot. Maybe that's obvious to everyone here, but at the start of the season, the boot fitter was pretty confident he could make them work for me.

The stupid foam boot board is incredibly fragile, and broke on me the first day I skied them. Stupid design.

Overall comparing the XT 140 and the Shift Pro 130: the XT 140 has much better forward ROM in walk mode. They seem to flex pretty similarly, thought the XT 140 felt maybe sightly more progressive with more rebound. If I fit into the XT 140, I'd pick it over the Shift Pro for sure for the way it walks and skis (durability and walk mode concerns aside).

Also heard rumors that the XT140 walk mode is being changed next year because so many people have had issues with it.

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Did you try the xt3 130 in the 100 last?

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

Do you think think this would be a good candidate for me? My XT130Free (100mm) are getting tired. I’ve always gone wide (100) to get the instep height I’ve needed.
Do you think I could I go with the 97’s?

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I think you'll have to go with the 100mm last to get the instep height you need in the XT3 as well.

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Originally Posted by oceans

The XT3 140 Pro model has a spoiler, presumably similar to the RS model this results in a forward lean of 16° instead of 12°.

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The stock XT3 (no spoiler or even velcro for attaching one) has a little more forward lean than my XT Free 130 LV or RS 130 - I'd say it's 13 degrees, which would put the 140 at around 15.

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Originally Posted by DarthMarkus

Have a few days on these things now. I'm still somewhat reserved, but a few thoughts:

I really don't like the stock liner. I skied a few days on it and felt like I needed to really crank in my buckles to get it tight enough for my tiny ankles; then when I did, I'd get a lot of pressure on my medial malleolus. Could be an issue with my footbeds though. I ended up throwing some intuitions from my TX comps into the boots and I like the result much more so far.

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Did you cook the stock liners? My boot fitter also punched some stuff out and I got new footbeds.

They fit me really good now, but getting in and out is excruciating and that is my main complaint, but I’m like that with almost all boots.

Also. The upper buckles are a weird angle, I can’t tighten them down as tight as I need to because they are at such a 90 degree angle to my arm I can’t get leverage. Does that make sense?

Otherwise the XT140 skis really well for me. Even made me like a pair of skis that I’ve always hated.

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

They fit me really good now, but getting in and out is excruciating and that is my main complaint, but I’m like that with almost all boots.

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I have the same complaint with my XT3 130. They are a pain in the ass to put on and take off, more so than any other boots I've had. If not for the walk mode, I'm not sure I would ever get them on. That at least gives me some more room to maneuver my foot into them. I like how they fit and ski, though, once on.

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

They are a pain in the ass to put on and take off, more so than any other boots I've had.

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You clearly haven't had a Zero G Tour Pro or a Hawx Ultra XTD (the primary competition), the XT3 is a piece of cake after a few years with those.

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

I have the same complaint with my XT3 130. They are a pain in the ass to put on and take off, more so than any other boots I've had. If not for the walk mode, I'm not sure I would ever get them on. That at least gives me some more room to maneuver my foot into them. I like how they fit and ski, though, once on.

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The painful part is that I have to pull the tongue past the liner to get my foot in/out. Which means scraping the top of my foot on the plastic shell. Ouchy!

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Originally Posted by gregL

You clearly haven't had a Zero G Tour Pro or a Hawx Ultra XTD (the primary competition), the XT3 is a piece of cake after a few years with those.

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Or Maestrale XTs.... no fun taking off on a cold day


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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

The painful part is that I have to pull the tongue past the liner to get my foot in/out. Which means scraping the top of my foot on the plastic shell. Ouchy!

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Force the lower shells apart with your hands, don’t expect the liner/ tongue to take care of it.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Force the lower shells apart with your hands, don’t expect the liner/ tongue to take care of it.

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You assume some of us can bend over far enough to make that happen.... And yes, that's the key but still hard, especially when they're cold.

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

You assume some of us can bend over far enough to make that happen.... And yes, that's the key but still hard, especially when they're cold.

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Haha exactly. I can’t touch my shins.

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

Did you try the xt3 130 in the 100 last?

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I was told, perhaps erroneously, that they are the same width and the liner is the difference. Very reputable bootfitter.

Coming from the ZB plug, the XT 140 is actually not super easy to get on/off. The plastic is WAY less stiff, but that rubber walk mode interferes with the liner sliding down the spine. (I always do on the foot and then slide it into the boot approach, only way I can get a plug boot on).

Also, I skied mine with a powerwrap plug liner.

Any comparison fit wise from these to the current Cochise 130?

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I was told, perhaps erroneously, that they are the same width and the liner is the difference. Very reputable bootfitter.

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While this does happen (Tecnica Mach Sport HV and EHV come to mind) I seriously doubt it is the case with the two Lange XT3 boots.

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Originally Posted by GoldMember

They are a pain in the ass to put on and take off, more so than any other boots I've had.

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Originally Posted by gregL

You clearly haven't had a Zero G Tour Pro or a Hawx Ultra XTD (the primary competition), the XT3 is a piece of cake after a few years with those.

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The XT3 liners are just so grippy which is what makes them so difficult to get on/off. I have a much easier time with different liners...and to GregL's point, I actually have an easier time getting my foot in/out of the ZeroG with XT3 140 liner than I do the XT3 140 with same liner.

If you're looking for a boot that skis better than the zero g or lange and it's easy to get in,

Dynafit hoji free

And it walks better. The closest boot to an alpine one.

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Originally Posted by rod9301

If you're looking for a boot that skis better than the zero g or lange and it's easy to get in,

Dynafit hoji free

And it walks better. The closest boot to an alpine one.

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Speaking from my own personal experience as the Imelda Marcos of ski boots I have to say that I'm skeptical of any such claim of skiing 'the most' like an alpine boot when it's made of Grilamid (or Pebax, or anything that isn't PU).

That said I wouldn't mind trying a pair, even after fighting with a pair of Vulcans and their Spock heel death pinch for a few years. I went from Garmins (soft) to Maestrales (a big box) to the 2nd gen XT (horrible) then to the Vulcan (best of their generation) then a brief stint with the Freetour (not as bad as the XT but not great) to the Hawx XTD 130 (capable and the best until ...) and now to the Lange XT3 140. All of them except the XT3's skied 'dead' and had the same commonality - they're not PU.

Well ok, not pu, i only used then in the bc, good and bad snow, they were great.
Probably not great in bumps though

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as posted in the 2022 thread: I have confirmation that Lange XT3 Pro Tour in 26.5 and 27.5 will be available here in Euroland from late February/early March. I do not know if any other sizes are available (I need 25.5). I have no idea if / what sizes will be available in 'Murica.

I had my grubby large hands on a pair of the pro tours today (size 27.5). AFAIK that's the most common size and therefore what they always seem to make first. They are strikingly lightweight, but was surprised to see the exact same walk mechanism as the XT3's. I thought for sure they would have retooled and rethought that (!?). Anyway, they are Grilamid but perhaps with just an ever so slight chance of not sucking so badly as they apparently use the dual core technology. That said Grilamid + Grilamid still equals Grilamid ... but I continue to hold out hope for the holy grail.

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Originally Posted by kid-kapow

as posted in the 2022 thread: I have confirmation that Lange XT3 Pro Tour in 26.5 and 27.5 will be available here in Euroland from late February/early March. I do not know if any other sizes are available (I need 25.5). I have no idea if / what sizes will be available in 'Murica.

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Wonderful. I’ll find them for sure.

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Originally Posted by YoEddy

I had my grubby large hands on a pair of the pro tours today (size 27.5). AFAIK that's the most common size and therefore what they always seem to make first. They are strikingly lightweight, but was surprised to see the exact same walk mechanism as the XT3's. I thought for sure they would have retooled and rethought that (!?). Anyway, they are Grilamid but perhaps with just an ever so slight chance of not sucking so badly as they apparently use the dual core technology. That said Grilamid + Grilamid still equals Grilamid ... but I continue to hold out hope for the holy grail.

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What’s the last width on these?

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Originally Posted by YoEddy

I had my grubby large hands on a pair of the pro tours today (size 27.5). AFAIK that's the most common size and therefore what they always seem to make first. They are strikingly lightweight, but was surprised to see the exact same walk mechanism as the XT3's. I thought for sure they would have retooled and rethought that (!?). Anyway, they are Grilamid but perhaps with just an ever so slight chance of not sucking so badly as they apparently use the dual core technology. That said Grilamid + Grilamid still equals Grilamid ... but I continue to hold out hope for the holy grail.

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You didn't happen to bring a scale along, did you?

Would be nice to get a real world weight. Boot manufacturers typically make every men's boot in 26.5 first, and use that as their sample, then do 27.5 soon after, though lots of Dalbello samples lately have been 27.5. Previous iteration of the XT Free was also Dual Core Grilamid - didn't exactly suck, but the XT3 skis better.

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The last width is 99mm. The claimed weight is 1250grams 26.5. Your results may vary.

I have not weighed or skied my 27.5 yet, but they are noticeably lighter and softer than the XT3 Pro Model LV. The BSL is the same 313mm as the XT3 matching the plugs but shorter than the retail RS/RX boots at 316mm.

I haven't skied them yet, but at first glance they should tour quite well and ski okay. The XT3 tours okay but skis surprisingly well, albeit with more power than nuance compared to a real alpine boot.

Most of the boots in my quiver are brand L. There is a clear hierarchy, the ZB plug skis the best, but overpowers lesser skis and is a race boot. The Pink Ones, besides being cool, are very well suited to daily life and ski great, but don't drive a race ski as well.

The XT3 140 skis really well for what it is, but lacks subtlety. The Tour Pro will undoubtedly slot in predictably in comfort and performance.

Every generation of side country and descent oriented AT boots gets better, but there is a major drop in performance when it comes to driving frontside carving skis.

I will try to ski in a the XT3 Pro Tour this week and am sure they will be quite good for what they are, but nothing more. Will report more once I have actually used them, right now they are basking on the display shelf creating what I believe you kids call, stoke.

jummo

^^I'm jealous of that boot quiver. After skiing the ZB as my everyday inbounds boot for like 5 years, my feet can't take it any more. I guess feet just get wider with age (32 now). Even last year, I could do a full day in the ZB, with reasonably long hikes (King at Crystal, etc). Now, I'm in pain after a few runs. Still chasing that level of performance, but in a more relaxed fit.

I think strong skiers with narrower feet who prefer a fairly upright stance would be extremely happy with the ZB and the XT3 as a two-boot quiver, with maybe a 1 kg boot thrown in, if they're into fast & light.

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

^^I'm jealous of that boot quiver. After skiing the ZB as my everyday inbounds boot for like 5 years, my feet can't take it any more. I guess feet just get wider with age (32 now). Even last year, I could do a full day in the ZB, with reasonably long hikes (King at Crystal, etc). Now, I'm in pain after a few runs. Still chasing that level of performance, but in a more relaxed fit.

I think strong skiers with narrower feet who prefer a fairly upright stance would be extremely happy with the ZB and the XT3 as a two-boot quiver, with maybe a 1 kg boot thrown in, if they're into fast & light.

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When a race boot that used to fit starts to hurts, it is liner replacement time. If you have had the boot five seasons, the liner is undoubtedly shot.
Having a bunch of boots sounds cool until you are at the lift and realize the skis aren't set to those boots.
Not that that happens to me, of course.

jummo

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Originally Posted by jummo

Having a bunch of boots sounds cool until you are at the lift and realize the skis aren't set to those boots.

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Used to be a no-brainer with Lange - three pairs of various 26.5 LV boots, all the bindings were set to 306mm. Then they threw the 303mm XT3 into the mix. They do, however, work with my touring setups set for a Zero G Tour Pro.

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Originally Posted by gregL

Used to be a no-brainer with Lange - three pairs of various 26.5 LV boots, all the bindings were set to 306mm.

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Unless of course you made the ill-fated decision to put Sally Sth’s on every ski in the family quiver before everyone had multiple boots in which case you’re definitely going die if you don’t adjust the toes as well since even the same brand, same size, same last, same BSL often has different enough toes to affect binding adjustment.

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Originally Posted by jummo

Having a bunch of boots sounds cool until you are at the lift and realize the skis aren't set to those boots.
Not that that happens to me, of course.

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That’s why I was so pissed that they went to 313mm bsl.
I can click into any of my skis with either my RS/ZB hybrid or my XT Free (din soles).
If I go to XT3s I’ll need to adjust.

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Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs

That’s why I was so pissed that they went to 313mm bsl.
I can click into any of my skis with either my RS/ZB hybrid or my XT Free (din soles).
If I go to XT3s I’ll need to adjust.

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Hehe I’m in the new style plugs so 293mm and I’m so happy the XT3 is 293mm too

For you guys skiing plug zb and xt3 140. How good is the fit and how well do the xt3 140s ski? I’ve been skiing Doberman plugs forever. But they’re getting hard for me to source at a decent price. Tried on the 92 last zb, which I can get for super cheap and they’ll work with very minimal punching. Roomier toe box than the Doberman and just need metatarsal punch. I’ve struggled to ever find a touring boot that didn’t fit like a hotdog in a hallway and subsequently ski like shit. Maybe the xt3 140 will work? ROM and weight mean almost nothing to me. Just fit and ski worthiness of the boot.


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