Is it even worth considering a skorp if I’m working with a high instep? I’m researching a second boot to complement my beef boot.
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Is it even worth considering a skorp if I’m working with a high instep? I’m researching a second boot to complement my beef boot.
I don’t think the instep is crazy low on the gen 1 and supposedly the CRII has a slightly higher instep, but who knows if it’ll be enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
I would wait for the Dynafit Ridge Pro, personally.
Gen1 was definitely pretty low, I have just barely been able to make it work with a med-high instep. Again Gen2 is supposed to be better but I've never worn one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
Might also check out the 0g peak. Yeah it's a different weight class but I think rom and stiffness wise it's more similar to the skorpius. Has sort of the opposite fit out of the box (wider toes, taller instep).
That new dynafit boot is intriguing.
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Its not the newest, hottest boot, but If you have a medium last foot with a high instep, the updated Backland Carbon with the buckle would be a good candidate. I had the boa version but the high instep didn't work for me and the boa didn't help locking it down. Otherwise, it was very comfy, and drove a 95 waisted ski well enough. I replaced it with the Salomon MTN boot which is only better because the fit is great for my foot shape.
Backland or Backland XTD? The XTD seems to be pretty damn accommodating for my foot - just not sure how well it’ll ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcdethan
Backland Carbon, if your beef boot is about 1500-1600 grams then the Backland Carbon would be 1100g to 1200 grams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
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how is the quality/performance of the stock liner?
I see some cheap ones online and I’m wondering if it would be a decent replacement liner for a Scarpa F1LT or XT
I've been alright in the stock liners with a 1.5-finger shell fit in the V1 Skorp. I think they are thinner in general than the F1-series, especially probably the XT. I'd say if you have a performance touring fit, they'd be good match, but if you need to fill space, I'd go with something else. I have seen reviews where the reviewer thought the liners were a bit on the wimpy side.
Has anyone else experienced what I'd call the "flat heel" in the fit? Overall the Skorpius fits my foot really well, except that it feels like my heel is driven up against a 90 degree wall, instead of inside a cup. Wondering if this sort of thing could be dealt with with some liner additions/tape, or if it's a shell thing? It seems like J-bars and the like would help with ankle retention, but what it feels like is there just isn't enough heel room.
Overall I've been moderately happy with the boot. Walks great, skis pretty well. The stance has always felt a bit off to me, even playing around with the spoilers, ramp on bindings, etc. Somehow it feels upright, but also forward, which I think is maybe just due to how much flex you can get out of it. I didn't think I was particularly sensitive to this kind of stuff, skiied the Spectres for a number of years which were a pretty moderately performing boot, but I'm always missing something when I ski this boot. Probably I've just gotten too used to my other setup, ZGTP w/ Tour Wraps. I'm fairly committed to making this type of boot work, though, since it would be nice to have a really good walking boot that skis alright.
Definitely consider skorpius II. My high instep is what makes a lot of boots impossible to even get on, incl skorp I. Version II fits likeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bamski
a dream, zero mods.
First full week on the skorpius II as a replacement for my beloved tlt6p. Skiing them with a completely thrashed, but perfectly fitting MV pro tour liner (molded and abused with the tlt6). Added a small shim under the heel and moved the spoiler down, getting me pretty close to matching the ramp and lean angles of the tlt6. Ditched the top power strap for less transition fiddle. Stock liner was thinner and softer than my clapped pro tour, didn’t try.
For fit, these are just a hair longer than the tlt and very similar shape throughout the forefoot and toe box. (Also PSA: the exact matching BSLs still required a touch of binding adjustment). A true 1-finger shell fit for both. Heel pocket feels similar. I’m lacking a tiny amount of ankle lock and, unless I completely crank the boa, I get a small bit of heel lift. I expect this will resolve with a new liner. Having done zero shell work, the only discomfort is from the liner lace loop stitching right at the medial ankle bone which rubs the shell in a truly evil manner… this is intermittent and depending on stride length.
A few resort groomer laps on zero g 85s: the ski was more limiting than the boot. Slightly stiffer than the tlt6p (not a huge gain) but more progressive. Noticeably more composed (better “suspension” in blister speak) through firm snow, ice and bumps. i suspect this will be a solid spring setup for big objectives with steeps lines and variable snow.
I then got about 25k vert over the last week, touring soft snow on Ravens: very good pairing. The skorp was more responsive and supportive than the tlt, which I noticed when I found myself in the back seat, or when dust gave way to crust and avy debris. Or when slithering trees in a historically low snowpack.
Repeating what others have said, they walk as well as the tlt and arguably ski better. Strange these don’t get more attention.
Complaints? The boa is sus and an odd update from skorp 1. Feels fragile, doesn’t pull the ankle back, and it’s easy to over-tighten for uphill, then requiring a restart. (Ive got decent at eyeballing the moment when the cable starts to engage as my point of reference, but it’s one more thing to think about). I might try to replace the boa with hoji or Vulcan hardware. Has anyone done this?
Regarding the Trab-collab toe fittings: meh. Does make it possible to hook one pin and roll onto the other… unless the snow is soft. With trab toes I still prefer to put the ski on/off with my opposite hand, foot in the air, knee to chest. And maybe too small a sample, but I think they have worse retention on the ski track. I never lock my trab toes, and have never(?) lost a ski on the skin track with dynafit fittings. Pulled the skorpius out of the trab toes a few times already…
Also, black shells seem dumb for light boots. (And the skorpius is as ugly as they come). They cook in the sun and I’d guess ski notably softer than an alternative. Is this myth or fact? IMO the skorp is a different boot — for the better — in cold temps.
Would love the opportunity to compare these to the new Ridge, but my wallet disapproves.
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Well I've come full circle since starting this thread and have developed another crack in the tongues of my V1s which might signal the end of their usable life span. Super happy with them after getting the fit dialed. Is the obvious solution to just get the V2?
I’ve got V1 27’s for sale in great shape with Pro Tours if that’s your size
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Oh as if I needed another existential crisis in my life. let me lose sleep tonight debating if I should size up to a 28 or not and send you a pm. I'm in Europe, but can sort out shipping to the US.
Just picked up the v2's and tried putting them into my dynafit speed turns. It was really difficult to get them in and I haven't been able to get them out. The lever on the toe of the binding hits the underside of the boot before the pins release. Is it possible that they are not compatible!?
Ok, got em out, but it felt like I was putting in way to much effort. Anything I need to know for these boot fittings + dynafit bindings? All of my previous boots have been dynafit, so I never had to think about stepping in, it just worked. Also, any ideas for using a leash when brakeless? I haven't found a good spot to attach to the boot. Maybe it's time to ditch the leash but I want to make sure I don't have any pre-release issues first since it's a new boot.
I don’t know about the toe issue, but i clip the leash to the wire bail of the cuff buckle. Short leashes may need a loop of cord to extend them; clipping there has the added benefit of taking your ankle out of the line of fire if the ski gets yanked on, specifically in uphill mode.
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Anyone paired the skorpius with a tecton? Fritschi does not list it as compatible, but La Sportiva says the boot is kingpin ready, so made me wonder.
I ski my La SportivA Scorpius with tecton mounted to my LINE Pescado and love the setup! I can't really see where the problems with surface, I certainly never experienced anything other than perfect interface.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan816
I’ve occasionally skied my Skorpius IIs with Tectons, works perfectly. No idea why they wouldn’t?
BTW the boa on the Skorp II is one of the reasons I bought it. On my 28.5s it hold my foot down well enough that even with zero mods to the liner (or thermo molding) I have zero blisters.
I was surprised to see the comment about the Skorp II being ‘overlooked’. IME the large selection AT boot shops all seem to consider it a benchmark boot.
Well, tongue broke on the skorps. LS has the Solar/Skorp replacement tongue assmeblies. Anyone have any experience if the replacement ones (whether purchased or warranty replacement) actually last longer than the ones that are originally installed?
What year were your boots made? My understanding is the last year or two of production for the first gen skorpius they beefed up the tongues. I have over a million vertical feet in first gen Skorpius boots across 3 pairs, and I have never had any issues with the tongues. I have had failures in other areas but only after a lot of use.Quote:
Originally Posted by dub_xion
From the stamp on the cuff, looks like maybe '18 or '19. I've got a query in to LS to ask about the beefiness of the replacement tongues, but I imagine they're of a later mfg date and pretty solid. Thanks for the reply!
Response from LS regarding durability of replacement tongues: "The Solar Tongue is constructed from the same material as the original Skorpius tongue; however, we've noticed the "Graphite/Jasmine Green" colorway seems to be holding up a little better since they are a newer production batch."
I've gotten a broken pair myself. Anyone have experience swapping the tongues themselves?
Curious if there’s any relationship between tongue failures and boot entering technique. After hearing about (and observing the obvious) weak point on this tongue, Ive been very mindful of how I step into the shell with my liner on, being sure to avoid wrenching on the thin part of the tongue in any lateral/twisting manner. I instead grab under that weak point, which is actually quite awkward and takes a little more patience. To those who’ve broken these tongues — is this possibly part of the problem?
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I've broken the version one tongues twice. The first time I blame on skiing in the cold, the second time was totally related to inattention and carelessness getting in and out of the boots.
I caved and bought version 2s locally paying full price plus sales tax.the la Sportiva importer here will fix the version 1s, so once I get these punched and the V1s fixed, all will once again be well with the world.
What comparable boot exists to the skorps by the way? The shop had me a try a zero g peak which felt lighter but also not really in the same class? The new Dynafit ridge boot maybe?
I'd say those two are the most similar, Maybe the F1 GT/XT as well. I would say all of the comparable boots are annoyingly shorter in length in equivalent sizes to the Skorp. The Zero G Peak is lighter, but has an amazingly supportive and progressive flex. The issue is that it actually walks noticeably worse than the Skorp and its too short in the toebox.Quote:
Originally Posted by NWFlow
Yeah the 27 in the peak was too short and the 28 had wayyy to much space even in the shop. Maybe I could have gotten it to work with a thick liner and some bontex but not going to go that route when the skorpius fits well.
I find it extremely annoying that brands continue to make light boots shorter than their freeride touring boots. The case of peak carbon was especially stupid imo, I think we would have sold a bunch of those if they'd fit like the zero g. The lack of rearward motion in the peak doesn't bother some folks I guess, but it would be a deal breaker for me in that class of boot.
I only carpet flexed a ridge boot, but it felt significantly more supportive than my Gen 1 skorps. Doesn't have the nice high cuff of the skorp though
I haven’t found a boot directly comparable to my Skorp IIs. I’m not sure why mfgers hadn’t taken the basic recipe of the F1 years ago and made it stiffer—in nearly all respects my skorpius is simply a stiffer version of the F1.
However I have noticed when switching between various boots that the fwd lean of the skorpius II needs to be increased a bit. Since my side hobby is designing gear mods, I’m currently looking into making a longer aluminum swingarm to accomplish this without compromising rearward travel like a spoiler does. I assume some of you would be interested in this simple modification?
How much stiffer are Skorp2s than Skorp1s? Is the fit really that different?
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Would be sweet. Could imagine having multiple notches on a single swingarm. You’d need to be slightly more mindful in transition, but seems easy enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Edit: actually, probably a few different ways to achieve multiple lean angles on the same single swingarm. Some tradeoffs in design choice that’d create either more fiddling on the bench (swapping or adjusting the arm) vs fiddling in transition (finding the right slot..).
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If you need the low instep of skorp1 (like me) then skorp2 may not work for you. Otherwise I think it's quite similar fit wise. Not sure about stiffnessQuote:
Originally Posted by tgapp
Are folks putting liners into shell, then foot into liner - or liner on foot, then foot into shell? Strangely difficult getting into these boots lately, not sure why.
I'm finding pretty good durability after 1 season; the boa on one side is starting to fray (anyone seeing this too? Unsure if it will continue and eventually totally fail, or just remain frayed but functional?) and one liner pull on the back (calf) came off when pulling (too hard i guess?) getting into the boot.
I think this has been asked before, but I'd like to poll the group again - anyone had issues with and/or solved tongue/yellow wing interference issues?
I just took my Skorpiuses out for the first tour and unless I crank down the upper buckle (killing the ROM) the different plastic pieces start eating each other. Pic included for context. This might be a volume issue as I can't close the spider buckle while touring, but I thought I'd check before ditching the boots.
Alternatively, if I can't solve this... There will be a pair of 27.5s with stock and ProTour liners on the market.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c465126c58.jpg
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Are you able to get the spider buckle half closed while touring at least?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheArbez
I had this problem also when touring with it open. After putting some lower profile footbeds in I can do the first flip on the buckle now and that seems to have fixed it.
I think once the plastic gets a little munched up it's more likely to happen though
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Might be a warranty issue? I tour in mine with the spider buckle completely undone, and the upper strap completely unhooked. I occasionally have to rearrange the plastic flaps, but it only happens once every few tours