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Hmm. And last weeks episode with people slowly melting in agonizing pain wasn’t much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACH
First episode was pretty easy to watch.
Yeah, this is a gruesome tale.
I'm just blown away. Even though we know basically what the historical record is, the presentation delivers stunning impact in spades.
I really didnt know what the historical record was. It happened in secrecy, and was kept there for years, after most of us moved on. Next stop, Fukishima. Theyve kept the wraps on that one, too.
+whatever on the brutal episode. At whatever means necessary...barring telling the truth.
I had just graduated high school when this happened. My mind was on other things at the time but I remember this being kinda bad. I had no idea.
Kinda wish they hadn't cut the commercials out of that. What a cool look into the past.
Aren't you supposed to be locked in PolyAsshat? STFU and GTFO ya cunt.Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
It's been said earlier in the thread but the podcast is well worth listening to and a great addition to each episode. The writer details what is fictionalized and what is straight out of the historical record.
Apparently they shot but decided not to use an even rougher follow-up to the puppy scene... Ooof.
Just ordered Voices from Chernobyl, I’m obsessed! Just heard the latest podcast, it’s a great companion to the show as has been mentioned above. And man, that rant by Stellan Skarsgard is all time, great acting in this mini-series.
the music/backround in episode four is the same music in the war scenes from full metal jacket, stolen? or the same producers/composers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Stellan is the shit. Check him out in River (Netflix, 2015). This cat's been acting since the early 70s, and is just as good as he's ever been, maybe better. Fascinating arc of his character so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Cool, I will check that out, he’s been incredible in Chernobyl, maybe even better than Jared Harris.Quote:
Originally Posted by PB
09/07/2010
Chernobyl restrictions for sheep consumption ending in Scotland; not in Wales
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Nearly a quarter of a century after the nuclear reactor at Chernobyl in the Ukraine exploded and spewed radioactivity across the world, it has finally stopped making Scottish sheep too "hot" to eat. In Northern Ireland restrictions ended in 2000. In Wales however, the restrictions are far from over.
For the first time since the 1986 Chernobyl accident, levels of radioactive contamination in sheep on all Scottish farms, 2300 kilometers to the west, dropped below safety limits, enabling the Food Standards Agency (FSA) to lift restrictions. Controls on the movement and sale of sheep have been in force since after the explosion in 1986. Peat and grass in upland areas of Scotland were polluted with radioactive caesium-137 released by the reactor, blown across Europe and brought to ground by rain. This grass was eaten and recycled by sheep, and has persisted in the environment far longer than originally anticipated.
That was fucked. Anyone else just hug their dog while watching?
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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Hell even Reed College in Portland has a reactor. Does get much more left tree hugging than Reed! It really surprised me
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I want to read more about that "genocide" in the Ukraine that Stalin perpetrated and they talk about in the podcast. Poland has been caught in the middle for most of the 20th century, but Ukraine is still catching shit to this day.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttahflake
Having studied this accident extensively from my former field of study, and having friends who became so when our family hosted them when they left Ukraine following the accident, I was quite excited to watch this series.
I've only watched episode one. It is well done. There is quite a bit of dramatic license from the technical standpoint, but whatever, so far it hasn't departed to unreality driving unreality. I'm excited to watch the rest.
My first thought was that it was a stroke of brilliance to start the storytelling at the moment of the explosions. There is so much story in the disaster, leading up to the explosion there were so many failures of design, management, culture, planning, and systems. But if you start telling the story at that moment of explosion there are just as many failures of just as many types following the explosion, and you don't have to explain nuclear engineering to understand most of those failures, and much more drama suitable to the big screen as opposed to black and white text.
in non-fiction "bloodlands" is a good coverage of the general history of brutality in that region over the mid 20th century, but brutally depressing. Later this year there's a movie about Gareth Jones (welsh journalist who first broke news in the west of the holodomor, later murdered by Russians) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6828390/Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
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Originally Posted by ACH
The final episode, they tell me on the podcast, will explain the cause of the explosion as well as a short miniseries dealing with such a complex incident in history can. But, then again, who really knows the truth, as the contol room manager waiting for a lead bullet (as opposed to the trillion tiny bullets millions more were taking) said. Smoking like a train.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
Well, Berkeley's Livermore lab has a pretty sizable reactor and is one of the primary research labs in the country for all things nuclear, founded back in the early 50's. Left / tree-hugger doesn't necessarily mean anti-science. Ironically, one of their primary goals in the beginning was weapon-specific, hoping to compete with Los Alamos.Quote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
The Univ of Texas has a reactor (and there are some rumors there may be more than one), but it is in a secure location about 10 miles from the main campus.
The thing about the reactor at UW, anyone could just walk up to the building from outside and look directly down into the reactor pool through large windows on the outside of the building. It was an attempt to show how safe nuclear energy was.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Hall_Annex
This was before terrorism was much of a threat in the US, and before Three Mile Island, and Chernobyl, etc.
They actually had a Plutonium spill that caused a stir. Fairly minor, but still...
It was built in 1961, and shut down in 1988. I actually got to see it while it was still operating.
I just stopped by to say we need a new phone.
Just finished second episode. Great acting, creating amalgamation of real life character/events. Close enough for most of it. Terrible description of how fission works and beyond gross exaggeration of what would have happened if the corium hit a full bubbler pool. It would have been a catastrophe much worse than what happened. But orders of magnitude less bad than they described: no 30MT explosion, no destroying everything around, no making 300K sqmi permanently uninhabitable and displacing 60 million. That is some bullshit.
Apart from that, well done again.
My wife, an environmental engineer, struggled to believe the insanity of the Soviet CYA arrogant apparatchiks and eastern culture and seemingly insane decision making vs modern western safety engineering culture.
Your wife needs to listen to the podcast, the writer spends a lot of time explaining this behavior which is a bit hard to stomach as being real...Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I think the poor explanations in general are meant to reinforce the fact that none of the people running the plant or associated with the program in general have any clue about what they're dealing with. Everyone is buying into the "happy safe atom" myth. Including the 25 y/o chief engineer and the party official who tells the fictional scientist (one of the 2 who has a clue about the exact nature of the problem) that he prefers his opinion to hers.
3 & 4 were good but not as good as 1 & 2
The biorobot segment was intense! Having read the accounts, seen clips and pictures, the segment in the show really brought forth the intensity.
Culling the doggies was just awful.
I didn't remember them using coal miners to dig. I'll have to see if that was real. Once again some butchered technical explanations, but tolerable.
Some real bullshit: "the baby saved the mother by absorbing the radiation! Unborn babies are dying to protect their mothers!" FUCKING CONTRIVED PURE BULLSHIT
That's right up there with the "30 Megaton explosions! Will destroy all 3 remaining reactors! 60 million displaced forever!" Pure dramatic bullshit.
Still good TV.
Yeah, some things seemed a bit much.
The actual physics of it are fascinating though.
Plenty of Fantasy in HBO’s ‘Chernobyl,’ but the Truth Is Real https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/02/a...nobyl-hbo.html
"The first thing to understand about the HBO mini-series “Chernobyl,” which concludes its five-part run on Monday, is that a lot of it is made up. But here’s the second, and more important, thing: It doesn’t really matter."
So tomorrow is the final Ep? Didn't realize it was so short. They should do a season 2 series following the aftermath.
Too late, Main character already killed himself.
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Aftermath. Implies after.
The aftermath will be around a long time.
You are over-thinking it.
Bloodlands is an excellent book. It covers the Holodomor well amongst other things. keeps you turning the page even though it is heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
https://www.amazon.com/Bloodlands-Eu.../dp/0465031471
It would be good if everyone read it.
Would it be safe to say that the aftermath happens sometime after pre-calculus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Dude, aftermath implies after math. Calculus is math.
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Isn’t that what I said? SOMETIME after pre-calculus. That would also include after calculus and after differential equations, but those don’t have “pre” in their names to contrast with “after”, so THEY ARE NOT AS FUNNY!Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
Don’t make me have to explain my humor again.
I’ve been avoiding this thread until I caught up, holy crap! Intense to say the least. Surprised it’s only 5 episodes.
I partied too hard in the calculus period. So aftermath, I started working 40+ hrs/wk instead.