I think he was in before shift. It’s a done dealQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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I think he was in before shift. It’s a done dealQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Cool concept. From their instagram it looks like they have some "working" protos, but judging by the quality of those 3d models and renderings they're probably still a ways away.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
yeah, but then again I do not think they have updated their web page in quite some time. It was remarkably similar when I last visited it compared to a year ago. Nice concept for sure - will be intersting to see how they function. They've been doing it for a while, and the concept is a bit different mechanically than Shifts, so I think they should be good to go without any infringement. I might be mistaken :)
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Dalbello Lupo Air 130
1.299 kg
Looks like no more tongues
New kingpin called m.werks.
built on alpinist and kingpin
620 gram
two springs, not six in the toe
flat, 7, 13 degress walkmode
28mm length adjust
backhouse is made lighter with aramid and carbon in some parts
DIN 5-12
Dalbello Air
Comes in two types, Air 110 and Air 130
1299 gram
newly developed grilamid in the shell
lighter vibram soles
no removable tongue
Mantra-family
five new models: Mantra 102, Secret 102, Kendo 92, Kendo 88 and Kenja 88
several of the models has something called 3D radius sidecut, a combination of three different turningradiuses
Mantra 102: 2035 g
Not allowed to post pics yet apparently. kingping all blacked out.
source: friflyt.no
https://www.friflyt.no/ski/lanserer-ny-lettere-kingpin
Kinda bummed about the Dalbello offering. Not sure how it'll ski without a tongue tbh.
Was hoping it'd just be a lighter Lupo
I think the biggest issue with the new Spur is people thought it was going to be like the old one when in fact it’s almost the opposite, prolly should have called it a different name.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Old one did one thing well, arc at speed in pow, that’s it. New one does not do that well at all. However the new one is waaaay more fun in tighter, lower angle, more cut up snow.
I’ve skied it in a lot of conditions, from cut up resort pow in UT and Jackson, cat skiing, and Heli skiing in Haines. Never had more fun on a ski that fat in resort ever. Didn’t matter how cut up it was or how tight the trees were. Felt like you could do anything. Cat skiing in tight trees and lower angle pitches was awesome. Crazy how easy they were. However as soon as you get to big open faces they’re too soft and become unpredictable at speed. In AK they were not that cool. For someone lighter than my fat ass they might be just fine but at 220 without gear they were not the right ski for the conditions (196 Bodacious or 192 Hustler 11 for that). That being said these were the first ones made and they did make the fore body of the ski stiffer in production so they should be slightly better at speed than the first ones.
The biggest issue with them is they look rather intimidating and the old ones had a pretty intimidating reputation. The new ones are crazy accessible for people who never thought they could ski a 192 124 wasted ski. The reaction from people who have never skied a ski that big was priceless.
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a bit surprised that Marker doesn't update their front binding, though this seems to be a bit of Kingpin meets Alpinist synergy no? Aka - Tecton still rules surpreme in this segment imo
Dalbello Air vs Hoji Free sounds like a sweet comparison for next season. Dalbello air looks super weird without a tongue, but I'll reserve judgement until I or someone I trust skis it.
Air at 1300 g could be my next boot, if it skis anything close to a 130 flex. Would love a 1300g boot with an instep buckle.
That dalbello is a weird looking thing, can’t help but be reminded of those apex ski-snowboard hybrid boots.
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I’m really curious here whether they can pull off a 130 flex without a tongue. Less than stoked on the ratchet buckles, but if the flex is there is probably a worthwhile trade for the weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by poocher
Also, they retain the terrible liner from the most recent Lupos. Guess the days of stock Intuition liners are done for the Lupo series :(
Jesus Christ, I got what I asked for and now I feel bad. That looks awful. It for sure looks like those Apex monstrosities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Va Ki Bo
I feel dirty.
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It's like an Apex boot fucked the Hoji boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
I'm not clear where the flex in the Air is coming from? Does the shell connect in front or something??
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It looks like it says "Last 100" on heel. Theres definitely no tongue on there, just the fabric gasket over the opening. Those two things dont add up for me, which makes me speculate this might not be entirely accurate info.
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You asked for red?Quote:
Originally Posted by rob stokes
Last is the internal forefoot width. Kind of a mid range at 100. Nothing to do with flex. The medial plastic on the shin and the cuff might be really stiff but doesn't look 130 stiff but what do I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
I realize that its referring to the width, which has been 98 for years now. Thats another interesting change, because it mentions nothing of "AX" which has indicated a wider last in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
My reading comprehension is slow.
That plastic knob over the fabric gasket...Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
Actually looks like tlt/vulcan/backland tongue stopper, so may be shown in tour/light mode or smth
Has anyone ever successfully made a non-overlap, non-cabrio shell with a 130 flex? Seems impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen better sales in the wider AX versions (not to mention all the love that wide-last boots like the Maestrale get) and decided to move on from the old 98mm last. My skinny feet love it, but it definitely pigeon holes you in terms of the range of potential consumers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
It just looks like a more explode-y Kingpin to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by burrito
I hope they didn't move on from that last.
Lately Marker loves making more explode-y versions of their products. See: Baron, Griffin, and Squire.Quote:
Originally Posted by AyoBeng
That actually seems likely. I curious has to how that cable operates over the forefoot as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Va Ki Bo
Yo real MVP goes to FriFlyt.no for it's middle finger to media black outs and letting us plebs see new stuff sooner :yourock:
If you remove the cabrio tongue and have all the forward flex stiffness come off the spine, then you end up with that fabric front Dalbello. How it feels when flexing though... Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by burrito
There's stiff flexing, and then there's just stiff without flex (brick wall).
I have not read any news since a year or something. Where did you get your info? Would be great if those keep their promise and become available.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
That's how the Arcteryx Procline works - getting downhill flex by restricting the movement of the spine. I haven't ridden them, but by all accounts I've read they're super soft and linear until you bottom out the flex and hit a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
First we’d have to figure out what makes a 130 flex boot other than being the most expensive boot in a brand line. .Quote:
Originally Posted by burrito
You could easily achieve this by putting both spine stiffeners in a KR2 and removing the tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
Hint: it'll be terrible.
Good to know. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by couchsending
The upper tongue on the Scarpa F1 does nothing to stiffen flex (I think it doesn help create a snug fit in ski mode). But the flex is surprisingly progressive. More like 90-100 than 130 though. I think it works because the clog climbs up the shin and pushes agains the lower, rigid part of the tongue without impeding the walk mode. On the Dalbello the clog appear up the shin higher than on any boot I've seen! Not sure how that will work. I haven't notice a boot with a similar designQuote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...524017&thumb=1
http://www.doglotion.com/wp-content/...ledsc06423.jpg
I don’t have much info apart from “they look good” and the first ones are being mounted now(probably the owners personal bindings) and I might have a chance to try them/fingers crossed . I’ll update if I can but that’s almost spring time if it does happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoK
http://images2.fanpop.com/images/pho...65-850-475.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
The existing lupo line has the lower coming up that high. I think you need a little more material as there isn't much material from the cuff around the front of the boot. Skis good is all I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
If it's with no tongue, I'd guess they have to fill in the flex notch at the back of the lower shell, like auvgeek was saying.
No matter what the stock book is, you can certainly add a tounge, aftermarket. The buckles don't look made for easy open and tongue swap, but who cares.
I honestly don't think the 100mm last fits too differently than the 98mm last, for people who are worried. That said, I punched the shit out of my 98mm in the forefoot, but I like the back half of the boot tight.
Kind of looks like it ticks the boxes. Look pivot like heel , 2 risers , burly enough construction to be a daily driver at the hill, low to the ski. Release looks smooth on their InstagramQuote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
You could still put them on your monoski
The only concern I see right now for the Pinding is that when the pins are deployed for the up, they appear to be very low to the ski, which could result in (a) boot clearance issues with the ski/afd (b) the boot toebox bottoming out on the binding toe housing and not giving a full range of forward motion or denting the boot toebox, (ie. the tecton issue.)Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
The nice thing about the shift is that the toe pins are a bit higher up when deployed, so there are not really any boot toe box clearance issues.
The main concern I see is Amer’s patent lawyers vs BAM’s patent lawyers.
I’m guessing the pins slide back far enough that it’s not a problem but then how does the boot not engage the heel? Nice to move back rather than up for climbing to make switchbacks easier and breaking trail. I’m extra curious nowQuote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
I thought that had already been settled? I think it was mentioned in last years “gear rumour” thread? Maybe 2 years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD