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Originally Posted by Andyski
From the site. A new write up yet again.
As Hoji always says, "I just want powder skiing to be easy." He built them in two new lengths that he personally prefers depending on the terrain and conditions.
So this implies that hoji who is smaller than a number of us is happy on the 191. What are we who are taller and heavier then hoji supposed to ride?
Woah woah! That kind of talk will get you in a lot of trouble ‘round here. Are you some kind of badass?Quote:
Originally Posted by phallic-menace
I’m joking
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I am 6'4" and 205lbs and own the first run of 196 Owls and absolutely love the ski in its conditions... However, I am really intrigued by the new 191... I can't count how man days I rode my 196s, but more than once by the end of the day my legs knew I was on big ass stiff boards... When the snow is soft and not setup or bumped up the Ren for me is by far the best POW ski I have been on... The 191 from what I can tell may be a little more versatile and forgiving... If it still keeps the frictionless, surfy, slashy characteristics of the 186 and 196 count me in for a pair...Quote:
Originally Posted by phallic-menace
So those of you if any have been on them I would love to hear your thoughts...
^x2 in the highest
I’d hold on to the 196s too tho
Only if he sells them right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuse
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Idk man, 9 months is pretty long for me. Plus, I was given shit looooong before Powtron even announced them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
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Sooooo... wanna make me some white room 202cm Rens?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT_Skis
Ask Aluflex in France, they can make everything :-) Like a 205cm Bodacious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
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That's some serious shit right there. Nice binding geekery!Quote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
Yes really nice, not mine though ;)
I will buy them from you. Shoot me a message if you wanna sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by reckless toboggan
So I ordered a pair of 191s to pair with some freeraider 14. Should be light and still stomp but it'll be a while till I can confirm. When I ordered they had a Nov 22 ship date and then an hour later received an automated reply to say they were shipping on the 10th. Either way can't go wrong with the return policy.
If you're on the hunt for OG Rens, I have two for sale in Gear Swap; Raven 2.0 and Owls. #gitsum
Has anyone received a pair of 2019 renegades yet ?
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by powderslave
https://blisterreview.com/featured/h...renegade-ep-29
Go to 30:55 to get Hoji's take on the new ren.
Interesting to hear how they monkeyed with it and really just ended making a very minor shape change since it was so good and he did not want to loose the looseness factor. Really more core changes to lightenQuote:
Originally Posted by TAHOEDOWN
The looseness factor is the defining feature of the ski imo, and same with the EHP series. Happy to hear it sounds like that remains. The 191 length is very intriguing. I’ve read that the last, lighter gens of the 186 and 96 skied significantly different vs the previous generations.
Someone please get on these [emoji41]
Ordered a pair beginning of October. Kept pushing the shipping date from what was oct 29, nov 12, now nov 26. I’m guessing no one received a pair yet?!
I ordered a pair of 184cm, for touring. Stoked to get a few laps on them.
My order said December 10. maybe they are waiting for 100 pairs or some sufficiently good size order to make a run. Either way I think it will great to be back on rens and slashing around.
What other pow skis are you using these days? Anything that you prefer? All the Ren talk has quited around here and I’m curious what folks are using instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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Weird email on my order form 4frnt
Thank you for supporting 4FRNT and picking up a fresh pair of the redesigned Renegades for this season and for your patience.
Before we ship the skis, we want to make you aware of a construction change we didn’t previously note on our website at the time you ordered. We used a thinner base and edge (1.3mm Base and 2mm edge) to lighten the ski by approximately 100gr, which also resulted the ski being approximately 15% softer than previous years.
We apologize for not giving you a heads up earlier. Due to these changes, we’re giving you 3 options:
1) Please ship me the Renegade skis as is
2) Ship me a different pair of my choice and receive $100 refund
3) Cancel and refund my order
Remember all of our skis come with a money back guarantee so if at any point after riding them, they’re not right for you, hit us back and we’ll take care of you!
Please let us know how to proceed?
All the best.
I went ahead due to warranty and I figure Hoji would not design a bad ski
I wonder what has happened. I got a similar email however mine only said they'd been shipped and if i didnt liken it when I got them I could send them back. If these weren't going to be a touring dedicated rig for me is be absolutely furious. I'd have much preferred last years 196 and now I'm been told that ive even more reason to regret my purchase.
Anyone know if the ski is similar enough to the old one that if I liked 88 from the tail on the 186 I can just go another 2.5 forward on the 191?
Maybe the stone grinder operator was high AF and ground off an extra 100g, lol.
Or someone checked off the wrong boxes for base and edge selection on the order form at the new factory and 4frnt is making lemons out of lemonade.
I hope it's not some ski geek got theirs early and has already trashed them because of the thinning. 15% softer is also a scary big number.
In Friflyts 2018/19 reviews they claimed that the new Renegade was too soft in the tip, and as a result would catch and pull you across the fall line
That is not good and sounds like squad and soul 7. Could not find review on inter web searches. Any links?Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
The website shows sold out so it implies for this run it’s a fail. I’ll call today and get some details
Well the warranty is three days use and I will know if they work. Of course I had to snag a pair of OG 186 Renegades today to be sure I’m covered;)
Softening the ski much would not jive with the reasons for the orig design... I would not be able to get into the details like others would here, but I remember Hoji and Matt S stated the ski was designed to be stiff due to the Reflectech and zero camber... I could see a slight give in flex, but 15% seems like quite a bit...
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Shit. An identical 191 Ren would have been so sweet.
Anyone know how to start a petition to bring back the 196 as it was? I'm serious. maybe we can get enough for a special run.
Prolly calls for a great deal of tip edge detuning to counter that effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
Yeah, with the ski "pre-flexed" due to the RC, you can run a much stiffer ski and still have it perform as it should while turning it. You don't have to fight the camber as you edge it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
That's the theory at least.
I've got a pair I rarely take out in my garage right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Yeah. Overall I place a far bit of trust in their reviews, but I don't think they put a lot of focus on mount point, ramp or detuning.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoooL
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...T-Renegade-196Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
Thank you Super - that is what I remember hearing and thanks for clarifying... I love my 196s, but def they were a but dialed back as you can def get a bit worked rocking them all day long in a resort...Quote:
Originally Posted by Supermoon
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