How do these fit over ski boots? They seem more like hiking pants than anything, but I've felt them before and the material seems great for spring/summer skimo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
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How do these fit over ski boots? They seem more like hiking pants than anything, but I've felt them before and the material seems great for spring/summer skimo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peruvian
Jong,
They are slightly snug but definitely fit over ski boots, just not bell bottoms like most ski pants. Have an inner gaiter as well. With the side vents they are great for skimo, etc. I've been wearing them this year for some nordic skiing as well as tours and they are great for high exertion activities, especially for the price.
Very happy with these 2:
Mammut base jump touring: schoeller material, jean sizing, fairly baggy for touring pants
BD dawn patrol: a bit tighter fit, nice deep pockets, nice stretchy material
I don't know if I will ever wear out my beloved Mammut Champs, but those base jump pants look like a promising replacement. I like Schoeller a lot and don't like having any type of membrane in my touring pants. It might be different if I lived in a wetter climate though.Quote:
Originally Posted by cbgarrett
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+1 on the BD dawn patrol, great for touring. Picked them up for $125. Breathable and haven’t had an issue with storm snow coming through.
Yeah they’re on the slim side but I don’t want to look like a park rat. Just wish there was a beacon pocket strap.
I’m looking for the holy grail of ski soft shells:
Large thigh cut
Fits 33” waist
Short (30”) inseam
Thigh vents
Some sort of reinforcement at instep for skis and crampons
Im 5-10 with a short inseam and beefy legs at 190lbs and everything seems like it’s made for the tall skinny Euro Skimo folks.
I’m in between sizes on Arc and Patagonia, BD Dawn Patrol were super long, MTN Hardwear has tiny thighs.
For the first time in years I gave up on softshell after consistently overheating in my Dynafit Mercury Pro. A bit too tight in the thigh and around the boot cuffs, not as breathable as I wanted. If those Dynafit fuckers hadn't discontinued the Chugach life would be better...
I switched to a pair Patagucci Descensionist I scored for dirt cheap on eBay. I guess they're a hybrid hardshell of sorts and I was worried about losing even more breathability but what do you know, they're perfect! And also discontinued...
BD dawn patrol is the best for me. I have been using them for years now.
Strafe Cham is a similar cut/feel/fabric to Descensionist. The Recon was a better cut for mountaineering, but is discontinued (apparently returning next season).
Thanks, will keep in mind when I need a replacement. The Descensionists are surprisingly long and baggy on me but I'm between sizes and went with M, Ms Boissal would stab me if I started wearing pants in her size...Quote:
Originally Posted by North
The dawn patrol would be perfect with a beacon pocket.
It'd be great if the guys at FreeRideSystems come up with some softshell pants, modeled after their hybrid softshell jackets.
Given MiCol's comments on not wanting to go there in the past I wouldn't hold your breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody Famous
Obermeyer makes short, regular, and tall inseams. It's good quality at a mid range price point. I fight the same issues as you except in XL or XXL where the sizes (some brands) jump 3-4 inches in the waist not 2" per size. Availability is hit and miss after November.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
Used my MtnHardware bibs this weekend, it was cold enough that they worked well for me, highs around 15F.
Starting to like them much better, will still use the pants as long as I can get them snapped around my girthy waist.
Marmot softshell pants are cheap on Backcountry.com
They come in different waist and inseam but are reviewed as running big. I was on the fence, but narrow thighs in the reviews scared me away.
Splitboarder here. Looking for baggier mid-weight softshell/stretch touring pant. Call it "freeride fit," if you will. Ski touring pants generally don't fit too well over snowboard boots. The Patagonia Descensionist pant would have worked well, but no longer available. I use Baker bibs in area, but they're too darned heavy to tour in. And I like softshell over hardshell for breathability while touring. Suggestions?
So I have 2 seasons and 200+ days on my OR Trailbreakers... now it's the "Trailbreaker II", is this the same pant? I'm extremely happy with my 1st gens and they'll probably last another 50 days, but they do have a fair number of cuts and tears around the cuffs at this point...
Alternately, is there anything else like this? Side vents, beacon pocket, non-bib (this is negotiable I guess but I kinda prefer non-bib), if it does have the gaiter cuff thing it is removable, wide enough to actually go over your boots, softshell with some reinforcement...? I'm not hoping to spend $500 or anything but with how well these have lasted I don't mind shelling out a bit for a genuinely superior product.
Beacon pocket is an ABSOLUTE MUST though... so the BD Dawn Patrol sadly is out.
Arc'teryx Rush FL can be found pretty cheap right now. I got a pair in early March intending to use them for spring skiing but obviously haven't gotten a chance to use them.... Material and fit are great and fit over my boot well. They have side vents and thigh pockets, the left one has a sown in loop to attach something to (keys/Beacon). Integrated belt and detachable suspenders. At least worth a look as them seem to tick most of your boxes. I got them for 50% off at REI but looks like their a little more expensive now. Not sure if worth full price...Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
Other pants I have tried: OR Cirque (didn't fit right) and Patagonia snow guide (were a free hand me down - not a fan of the color nor how they fit over my boots)
Outdoor Research
OR Men's Cirque II Pants.
supper comfortable fit over my atomic ultras
im 6 ' 170 skinny medium fits perfect.
$112.00 now
wind resistance is great. howling eastern sierra winds. have hard shells and have not gone back.
no vents but has not been a issue yet.
will report back when i get a warm spring day in.
dont see over heating as a problem will go sans long underwear .
Original Cirques for $45, get em while they are hot https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/m...0s?cat=185,184
woah $112 where?
on there website free shipping no tax to CA.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
think you got to enter code 1981
also google is your friend for cheapest price.
damn, thanks. that’s a score
Thx, grabbed a pair. Lg was all they had left but should fit fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by davjr96
Mammut Base Jump for sure. Went to the Backcountry warehouse last year and tried on at least 10 pairs of softshells, and the Base Jumps took the cake. I wear them all season long in the Wasatch and never get cold, and never over heat. Fit is perfect, 3 front pockets including a beacon pocket w/ leash that is big enough for any beacon. Gaiters fit over my Alien RS with plenty of room, don't see why they wouldn't fit over any touring boot. Only minor downsides are that I'm not a huge fan of velcro waist adjustment, but its been a set it once and forget it for me, so can't really complain; and the metal tab on the gaiter for lace up boots gets in the way sometimes, but not enough to really care.
EDIT: Suspenders are removable, I got rid of those right away
Too lazy to read this, but OR Trailblazers.
PSA: Various sizes/colours of the RAB Upslope pants are 50% off on The Last Hunt ($148 CAD).
Dumb question - what's the difference between a beacon pocket and a regular zippered-pocket? A dongle to clip your beacon to?Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
I have BD Dawn Patrols, and just put the beacon in my pocket and zip it shut.
usually a clip and some sort of elastic mesh pocket inside the regular pocket, yeah. mostly (for me) it's the ergonomics of having it fit with a beacon-sized thing in it... I could sew in a clip. and I would live with a regular zippered pocket, but sometimes "pocket" means it fits a folded up $5 bill and not much else, like OR cirques for example. and I'm a skinny dude, 5'10" 145lbsQuote:
Originally Posted by meter-man
Gotcha. That all makes sense. I have a beacon pocket in Trew Roams (a waterproof-breathable bib), which is nicer and does fit better than the regular pocket in the Dawn Patrols. But my BCA beacon fits no problem in the Dawn Patrol front pocket. Might sew in a clip for utility during searches. The last two seasons I found that I prefer the Dawn Patrols in all conditions unless it's raining or snowing very heavily, which happens here in the Sierra. I'm usually banging lifts in those conditions, and have burlier kit for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
yeah my Trailbreakers have been incredible, softshell with some hardshell on the front at the knee and below. they are filled with holes now from crampons and god knows what else but I keep patching em and they keep working. I guess maybe I'll suck it up and get the Trailbreaker 2 at some point, just don't love the colors enough to spring for them now, when I don't really NEED them and I know some new gear is just 2-3 months away...Quote:
Originally Posted by meter-man
Mammut has short inseam in their (Softshell) pants. Their waist runs small, so if you’re a 33” waist normally, go for the 34” waist, short inseam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcon3
BASE jump touring pant has looser thigh fit (but snugger around the butt and through the crotch). Suspenders are removable.
or size up in the waist and use with suspenders.
Often some kind of attachment, but you can also clip the leash to a belt loop or such.Quote:
Originally Posted by meter-man
The bigger issue is the structural integrity of the pocket. General advice is to only use pockets that consist of a zippered slit in the outer fabric, with the pocket material attached to the inside. Not the kind where the pocket material is sewn/welded onto the outside of the main leg fabric.
https://backcountryaccess.com/en-us/...he-transceiver
my pants (low bibs) don’t have a beacon pocket, but they have zippered hand pockets. I put it in there, and then clip the leash to the belt loop.
Scored a pair of mint small Procline FL's on the Arc'teryx used site:
usedgear.arcteryx.com/
Damn, nice score.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Anything come out more recently that fits all these criteria?
Arcteryx re-released the procline this week https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/mens/procline-pant
Not sure how it compares to the original.
What's up with the Activetemp fabric that Outdoor Research uses in their Cirque 2 pants?
Legit or snakeoil?
On the prowl for new pants and these seem about right regardless.
Arcterxy could just copy the original and they would be the shitQuote:
Originally Posted by davjr96
the only thing to easily change would be to have 4 symetrical pockets instead of 3
otherwise they are perfect