You can get shoes that can take an SPD cleat but are still walkable you know... Even 5.10s.
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You can get shoes that can take an SPD cleat but are still walkable you know... Even 5.10s.
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I guess you missed the part where i said "when he rides MTB". I figured people would find it an interesting data point that someone with great bike handling skills who rides clipless professionally, would choose flats when riding MTB recreationally on his own time. I guess you are just looking for a very specific set of opinions though.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
totally. But you do deal with excess wear and tear on your cleat, dirt and mud stuffing it up, not as comfy walking, etc. I also wouldnt want to be 10 miles out on a ridge hike-a-biking on granite boulders/scree and have a cleat get fucked up. None of these are deal killer issues by any means though.Quote:
Originally Posted by teledad
It is an interesting data point. Another interesting data point is that the entire WC DH field to a man rides clipless. So, what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
If you're on pure rock I'll give the nod to Freeriders. For most hike-a-bike I encounter though I'd rather have my X-Alp Enduro V5s.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
My point is relevant to your point above- a pro who rides clipless when racing, may ride flats when not racing due to convenience, preferred feel or style when not racing against the clock, or other advantages. Point is, most of us arent trying to squeeze every second out of each climb/descent, and we more closely resemble a pro on his downtime than a pro in the start house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I'm bummed my 5.10s suck walking up anything but dry conditions. And they aren't nearly as ventilated as my clipless shoes when it's 100 degrees out here. If anyone knows a good all-around shoe that's like the 5.10, post it here. Something not uber-stiff but not uber-soft when flexing, has something besides slightly raised dots called 'traction' for hiking, and is more ventilated than a pair of thick vans would be awesome.
That's kind of an inherent intractable problem for flat pedal shoes. Much of the benefit of sticky rubber gets negated when you put a hiking shoe tread pattern on it. Some pins might not be making contact at all, and the pins can get caught on the edges and crevices which makes it harder to make small adjustments to foot position. The ideal tread pattern for a flat pedal shoe is none at all, like racing slicks in motor racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
I'm looking for the exact thing. Currently I've been wearing a pair of Scarpa Crux approach shoes but I'm exploring my options for when they die.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
I only have one ride on them, but so far so good. Look into Adidas Trailcross Terrex series. They make a low top and a mid - the mid includes D3O ankle protection.Quote:
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Adidas owns 5.10 so it’s stealth rubber. Tread pattern means not quite as good grip as a Freerider but it’s still really good, and they have deep traction grooves in the toe and heel of the sole for hike a bike.
I was pretty happy on a hot day with the ventilation, pretty happy with the traction on the jumps and climbing ability going up a rock garden, and very happy with the looks of something not a skate shoe.
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I got xc style MTB shoe with actulal groovy soles and big fucking spikes in the toe ... I can walk up or down anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by muted
Which model?Quote:
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I have a pair of the ones in the top pic in a size8 that I’ve been holding on to and am not using. 4 or 5 rides on them. Quite good on flats and the use would be best as you described. Can’t remember how much they were but I’d sell them cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Just got a pair of 510 Freeriders in the mail with my Chester flats. Excited to give them a spin this weekend. Hopefully this will up my game and I'll finally ride up to the rad bro's standards at my LBS. He told me last weekend: "brah, I send this thing off 30 foot table tops no problem".
true, true, damn it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Yeah I got a pair of those and that's what I primarily use.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
The 5.10 Freeride Contact is smooth where it is in "contact" with the pedal.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
That said, I actually prefer their soles that have the circle pattern in the pedal area, I feel that I get a better grip.
The difference (to me/YMMV) is that it's easier to adjust foot position with the smooth sole.
Last pair of shoes were the Contacts, and just got the Freeride Pros at the start of spring. I much prefer the dotted pattern. no noticeable downgrade of grip on the pedals, but i can adjust and twist my foot a little bit easier. plus makes for easier walking on steep slick trails. Also the Pros are stiffer and have a little bit better toebox protection, and are pretty light. Very, Very happy with the new shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACH
Sort of what I was suggesting, the "dotted" soles grip better IMO because of the little crevasses in the sole pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
The pins on my pedals have no problem engaging these parts. Also, that sole pattern has held up better for me than the smooth on the Contact.
BTW - the point that all of the pro downhillers go clipless is kind of funny. Does that mean I should get a custom 130 compression golf ball because that's what Dustin Johnson hits? lol...
You take that golf shit and:Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
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Run your suspension as hard as Gwin, have brakes with ZERO modulation like Bruni, and CNC your own linkages for custom leverage rates like Minnaar. Race day is everyday for a weekend warrior, so we all should set up our bikes the same as the top pros.Quote:
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Steep & Cheap has a shit-ton of bike shoes on sale right now. I picked up some Sidi Dominators, those fuckers never go on sale.
Yeah, that's totally what I said, sure. I'll keep that in mind the next time someone says "Everyone at Rampage and Crankworx rides flats! No one with actual bike skills rides clipless."Quote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Oh lighten up. We both understand the dis/advantages of flat vs clipless. Its just that we value certain dis/advantages differently likely because we ride in different areas, on different trails, and find different things more fun than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
I'm just here to pay some respect to the amazing knees you flat pedalers must have. I ride clipless specifically to let my feet rotate on the pedal with as little resistance as possible. With light retention I have no issue getting out for either a dab or OTB, and I hate walking tech (or dabbing, really), so most of the appeal of flats is lost on me--luckily, given my knees. Enjoy em!
More time on the Adidas Trail Cross shoes this last weekend ... I have zero doubt that 5.10’s have better grip through high speed rubble, jumps, etc than the Adidas counterpart, but I think for all day adventure riding I’m really happy with the shoes - very breathable, easy to walk, and still enough grip to climb up punchy rocky rooty stuff. Clipless is faster, no doubt, flats are ever so slightly easier and more practical, and my wife can no longer complain that I am able to get through a section “just because I’m clipped in.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
I hate being clipped in like I hate frame bindings. When I hit a tough section and made a mistake I could not get out and felt trapped. For me I like flats and now if I can fix pedal strike issues I might actually become a real MTBer
I prefer them in almost every situation other than rough high speed stuff where I'll occasionally lose a pedal. It so infrequent though so I'll deal with it. I try not to walk the techy ups but it's happening more often than it used to for the same reasons as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
Those high ones are almost definitely going to be my next shoes I just need to try a pair on before committing to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
My knees and ankles are SO much happier since I went back to flats almost 10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by jono
That's great to hear, actually the first review I've seen from someone I know puts them through their paces properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
original Five Ten Freeriders: Comfortable. Soft. Laster 5+ yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by californiagrown
Freerider Contact: Uncomfortable for me. Stupid flat sole. Lasted a few months then replaced with a warranty pair that feel apart just as fast.
Freerider Pro: Better fit, function and durability, but I have chunks falling out of the sole where it sits on the pedal after 1 year of use. So, durability is still not good.
What gives? Flat pedal shoes are more expensive for me since they get torn up faster. Should I get them resoled or something? Clipless shoes at least last me for many years!
I like flats because I can grab my MTN bike and go get beer downtown in my sandals without slipping a pedal and bashing my shins when I hit my sick moves on my way down the hill. Rode clipped in for 20 years, the beer factor is the biggest disadvantage. Going fast through chunder is the biggest advantage but I don't give a #uck about that anymore, I'm focused more on slowing down a little and being clean and stylish in my riding.
Need some new flats, and would love some opinions based on first-hand experience. Been running the Pedaling Innovations Catalyst dinner plate pedals - my first mtb flat pedal. I love their size, but want to try something with a lower profile, and perhaps a touch shorter, as I would like to reduce pedal strike. I want versatility - big and stiff enough for all day rides, but good grip for jumping and tech, low profile, etc. All the things. Going on a 2019 Patrol.
Thinking 110x110ish for size. 100x100 is too small for my big and fucked feet.
Considering, in this order:
OneUp Composites (or Aluminum, but leaning towards the Comp) - big, cheap, grippy, thin. Convex.
Canfield Crampon Mountains - looks great, but convex shape has me curious. Also, $$$
Hope F20 - pimp.
DMR Vault - too thick?
Kona Wah Wah 2 - concave composite
Anyone have personal experience with any of these - particularly the OneUp? That one seems right on the mark.
Good luck finding anything with a platform that you'll find big enough.
I find anything with the small thin pins to be too hard on shoes and too prone to pin damage.
I find the non-square ones (RaceFace Atlas, Spank Spike, etc) don't feel as big as their stated dimensions. I really need square corners at the outside edge to feel like it's doing anything. One pointy part that sticks out farther does nothing for me.
Pedal strike is over rated. Deal with it and get used to whatever you're using.
Plastic pedals will slowly die as pin holes strip out and deform to where you get one less pin and then one less pin and so on.
For a lot of companies, you really need to consider whether bearings and pins are available.
Deity TMAC seems to be at the top of the heap from my perspective.
Crank Brothers Stamp Large is a good TMAC alternative. I find that putting their long pins on the perimeter and small pins in the middle give it a much more agreeable concave feel.
OneUps are great. I've got 2 pairs of alloy, 1 composite. The comp feels slightly bigger since it doesn't have a "bearing bump" inboard. I haven't had to replace any bearings yet in like 2 years or however long they've been out, compared to every 6 months with RF Atlas.
I have both Deity Black Cat and Spank Spikes. I prefer the Deity’s. They have enough grip but not too much. I find the Spanks tricky to reposition on the fly due to the long pins. The squarer profile of the Deity’s is more supportive also.
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Thanks for the comments and recs y'all! Hadn't look at the Deitys but those are nice. I wish I could "demo" the pedals before buying...oh well.
FYI, I contacted Canfield because I coundn't figure out how to order the Crampon Mountains and they replied "We are out of stock for a few more months on the MTN pedals." Months! Guess I'll be buying another option....
I've been riding the chromag scarabs for a long time. Nice and thin, big platform, great grip
The new Dagga from Chromag also looks wild.
Why do convex pedals exist?
To match the natural concave of a human foot.
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