Mounted Alpinists first on my bmt 94s. Binding drove me nuts (high heel riser wouldn’t stay down, always went back to flat mode), remounted Salomon MTN. Just Gorilla Glue, no issues. Such an awesome ski imho!
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Mounted Alpinists first on my bmt 94s. Binding drove me nuts (high heel riser wouldn’t stay down, always went back to flat mode), remounted Salomon MTN. Just Gorilla Glue, no issues. Such an awesome ski imho!
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Sent this to tgapp but might as well post here as a wider reminder of the V-Werks construction.
Even within the (bullshit) H region, you'll find voids in the core when drilling. There's still enough meat to retain a screw, but def let the glue cure upside down. It'll have the best retention and will keep water out of the "extra-oxygenated" core.
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^ Definitely found those channels while doing inserts. Put plenty of Gflex in there, cured upside down.
If I find the lotus 120 to be OK in the shittiest conditions, such as wind affected refrozen crust would the BMT94 be an improvement? The L120 has a lot of surface area that can catch bad snow. I want to stay with reverse camber, and something that does well in powder. The BMT 94 would replace my vectors that I find they have very hooky tails in dense powder and if I get too far forward to onload the tails the tips dive.
94 are very predictable in most conditions. Not good in all conditions, but predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by daught
Like all (?) lightweight skis they get knocked around when they meet rough snow sliding sideways, but that's part of the program
The L120 and BMT94 are both light, reverse chamber and carbon built. Specs wise the major difference is width. How does with alone impact getting knocked around?
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I’ve skied my share of wind-affected refrozen crust with 176 bmt 94s and I’d say that they are user-friendly. I also used to have a pair of the 190 l120 spoons. I would have preferred the 184s but they were fun in big open pow fields and decently spaced glades. I find the bmt 94s a lot more forgiving and predictable but a good bit of that is the difference on length. But the (much) softer tail of the volkls also probably lends itself to easier maneuvering through shit snow. They also ski pow way better than you would expect a 94x176 ski.
The only thing I don’t like about that ski is the lack of camber in icy skin tracks, but that’s also why it skis everything so well.
I find the L120 very forgiving except trail gunning, and I really liked that about them.
One of the main reasons I am looking at other skis is that the L120 requires precise technique on solid off camber rain crust and other shitty uphill conditions. When everyone puts crampons on, I can't because vipecs don't have crampons that wide. I manage, but it's a lot of work. Sounds like the BMT is similar but at least I can use crampons.
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If you're powder focused, why not look at BMT 109? I have both and, while the 94 punches above its width, the 109 is a better pow ski. And fwiw, I went from the blue 120s to the 109 and really enjoy the added versatility and tourability (though really miss the 120s on big, open terrain).
Yeah I actually also have and love the 109s (186). More better in pow, but still has the other advantages you’re looking for (deals with shit snow well, fits crampons, etc).
I am finding the 186 BMT 94s very hard to ski. Sure they do ok in powder, but in tighter spaces those tails have a rabid hold. At speed they get thrown all over the place in anything but virgin pow. People seem to love these so I wonder if I should re-mount them +2-+3 from ~-2 that they are at right now or just pass them on.
I don't think I have ever heard that about the tails. Maybe check tune?
Regarding stability; yes - they are a relatively lightweight BC ski. They won't ski inbounds chop or backcountry sastrugi well, but when skied on their edges I feel they handle ok even on hard snow. They don't have a lot of suspension though, both due to lack of mass and lack of camber.
Both could also be that you're in the backseat. What bindings are you using? Dynafits with a lot of ramp, or?
Edit: yeah, absolutely remount to reccomended. They are pretty directional as is
If you're at -2, I'd move them to the line. I originally mounted mine at -1 and found I liked the line better. It made them a lot easier going and more predictable. Though, if it's the tails that are giving you problems, I'm not sure a forward mount will do much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
If you want to sell those skis send me a message, I have a friend who has been looking everywhere for some BMT 94 in 186
Are you using a new to you tech binding?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
This screams binding delta issues to me.
I started off by detuning inside of the tip and tail contact points. I kept detuning to about a palm palms from the tip and tail contact point. They seem fine otherwise.
I am using vipecs which I been using since they came out with many other skis. Never had this issue.
I got the skis with jesters(wtf). I had to go in front or behind the line to mount the vipecs. I recently tried some skis with demo bindings and I find I like being in front of the line much more than behind.
Has anyone ridden both the 2015-2018 full rocker Mantra and the BMT94 - does the Mantra have the same magical agility as the BMT?
I own the 94's and have spent a little time on said mantras several years ago. That mantra is agile but it weighs a shit ton more than the 94's so all the tradeoffs (e.g. MUCH more damp + deflects way less vs. MUCH higher swing weight.......). That particular version of the mantra was tragically mis-marketed by volkl. Everyone wanted it to be like the older versions but in reality it was a skinny metal katana (not the vwerks, the previous metal version that everybody here loves so much). So, the best way to look at the reverse camber mantra is as a 100mm version of the metal katana, use it as such and you will be happy. Good enough on a groomer but dominating low tide, off piste ski. I'm still looking one of those reverse camber mantras in a 191.
Found the ski you're looking forQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
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I’ve put more days on my 184 M4s this year than any of my inbounds quiver, just so smooth and predictable, on or off piste, no matter the conditions.
I moved them from ~-2 to ~+2. Major difference. They are definitely a ski I enjoy now. They truly excel in spring crust. I found I can just carve them in crust and break the tails loose when needed. They are very reassuring that the tips will stay on top of crust and soft snow. On soft they float reasonably well. In nice untracked pow they can even be chargey. They do require undivided attention though. When not driving them they are nervous and easily get thrown around.
Bump. I love them so much that I got the BMT 109. I have been looking for something to fit in my touring quiver between the lotus 120 and the BMT 94. They're going to get the trab vario 2!
Unfortunately, the BMT 109 I got is only 176cm long. So now I am wondering where I should mount them. I had issues with the BMT 94 186 mounted at -2, and generally I enjoy skis mounted forward. At 150 pounds of perfectly balanced explosive and endurance muscle, I am relatively light. Because these are 176, I'm wondering if I should mount them on or behind the line?
I would go on the line with them being 176, and then go forward if that doesn't work. 176 on the line are a shit ton of fun. I really enjoyed BMT94s at +1, but was not blown away by BMT109 186s at +1.5 - though the latter could have been caused by Tectons having a way different delta than my other bindings. I went with on the line when i remounted them with Vario2s, though I have yet to ski them.
And since you mention the Lotus120, I've skied both BMT122s and Lotus117s recently. I prefer the V Werks construction and flex pattern by a fair bit. I found the L117s to be a bit meh, as in I think they would ski better with a stiffer shovel (area from the bindings to the beginning of the front rockers) and slightly softer tails.
Thanks. What did you not like about being +1? What area are you in? Any chance it's BC?
L120 is perfect in every way. Every other ski I get is only to extend their life, and maybe my knees in late spring.
I think it was that thhey just did not feel as good as 176 108s on the line or 186 94s at +1. They just felt a bit cumbersom there, though again - the 5-8 degree delta (lower heels) compared to my other bindings is probably the real culprit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
I am based on the west coast of Norway aka Scandinavistan, so sadly no BC.
And do not get me wrong, I think that the L117s could be a great soft snow ski, especially in untracked/fresh snow. It just did not make me consider phasing out BMT109s or 122s at all, though that is a tall order though as I freaking looooooove BMTs.
My 176cm BMT94s are mounted at +1 because of a hole conflict and I fucking love them. Can't find a damn thing wrong about them. I think with the full rocker they're not very sensitive to mount point.
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Got out today on some BMT 94s I got in gear swap (thanks Marshal!)
What a great ski for variable snow. Hit pow, sun crust, corn, you name it today and it skied everything so easy.
Previous ski in this category was a (few gen old) zero g 95, which was great on consistent corn but would get so locked in on bad snow that it was sometimes scary. And it kind of sucked in powder.
Very happy with the bmt, that design seems ideal for sub optimal snow.
Also first time skiing alpinists which I generally liked.
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Bump because this thread convinced me to pull the trigger on a pair of these in 166 for my 13 y.o. Evo had them used with Tyrolia Attack 13 demo bindings for $161, just silly cheap. I got the last 166 pair, but there's at least one pair of 186s left if anyone is interested: https://www.evo.com/outlet/used/ski-...-demo-bindings
Hell, I'm tempted to buy the 186s for me, though I'm concerned they might be a bit light for my taste/style.
eta: Couldn't resist, bought the 186s and that was the last pair. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up :D Hopefully used demo bindings don't kill me.
I have those skis, but what a value with free shipping. Guessing just one mount with the demo binding.
What a tease lol. Posting about them just to buy them
I’ll join the tease. I got a heads up from John_B (You da Man!!) here on the forum and my search for a pair of 176’s is over! Of course I’m curious about the condition but for 170$ shipped I’m willing to gamble. Tyrolias will be on GS soon. I may still chop the tails off and remount forward on the 186’s I got from Cat in January in the name of science, but regardless, 176’s on the way!
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Would have bought them if I didn't buy a bike yesterday (or wasn't married).
Deal of the century! Paid $700 for some well used BMT94 in 176 last year, and I would have paid more if I had to
I’m a bit giddy about it, must be mid October! Big props to John_B for the PSA.
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Yeah, dick move, but in my defense I had no intention of buying them when I first posted. As penance, I'll share this link to a set of 100Eights with Griffon demos for $180: https://www.evo.com/outlet/used/ski-...emo-bindings-2Quote:
Originally Posted by ASmileyFace
Happy to help riff. To pass on some of the credit I saw DTM posting about skis for his kid and the link was in his post.Quote:
Originally Posted by riff
Looks like I will have a pair of bmt94 in186 with choice of skins coming up for sale shortly. In very good condition with one mount for Marker Kingpins.
Edit to say these skis are going up the coast to Singlecross
Just going to set this here.
These arrived right before a trip so I just unboxed them today. Some topsheet scuffs and chips but not bad and less so on the 166s. Bases are nearly perfect, may have even got a basic tune before sale. Very happy with the condition for under $200 with bindings. I would definitely buy from Evo's used stock again. I believe these were marked as "Value" condition.
Mine were decent too; one noteable chip on the sidewall into the carbon but a little epoxy will sort it out. Bases immaculate
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