The New Roolz

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

nope. Just following thru on a ban that was considered carefully. Any account that can be tracked back to him will be nuked as well. See Telee's post ^^^, he summed it up pretty well...

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You guys specifically told him a 'time out'. Then you just axed him completely. Make up your minds. Apparently you have, but that doesn't mean you guys aren't butthurt now does it?

Now I'm not disagreeing with a 'time out' as Rog is or has been a complete jackass in here and many have told him that personally. But to Abrahams point, he wasn't doing anything wrong as Blu.

Pushing the limits on TGR forums is strictly verboten...cue Greg AZ. ...Even if he is one that pushes it in real life as opposed to so many in here that do not.

Banning sucks and this place will never be the same. It'll be a ghost town like it was in '01-02'.

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Originally Posted by strawjack

You guys specifically told him a 'time out'. Then you just axed him completely. Make up your minds. Apparently you have, but that doesn't mean you guys aren't butthurt now does it?

Now I'm not disagreeing with a 'time out' as Rog is or has been a complete jackass in here and many have told him that personally. But to Abrahams point, he wasn't doing anything wrong as Blu.

Pushing the limits on TGR forums is strictly verboten...cue Greg AZ. ...Even if he is one that pushes it in real life as opposed to so many in here that do not.

Banning sucks and this place will never be the same. It'll be a ghost town like it was in '01-02'.

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Banning does suck, agree with you 110%. That's why it's almost never done, in fact i can't even recall off the top of my head who else has been banned in the last ~5 years? But when a poster just keeps posting crap that's offensive to the majority of the board and won't heed any warnings to tone it down, it's time. And I don't buy for a second that if he comes back under a different name he'll end up any different. He knows how to contact us if he wanted to discuss another chance, but he hasn't. And it seems a little odd that someone would make such an effort to return to a message board so many times...

Don't mind a discussion of when the ban hammer should or shouldn't be used, but in the final analysis Todd and the whole web team were involved in the decision. It's pretty obvious that on a board like this with as many diverse opinions expressed, that it won't be viewed as the right decision by everybody, but so be it.

i never understood the rog hate - he was a pompous ass about helmets and the "way" to ski, and his experiences out west. did I catch a wiff that he was posting actual offensive posts under an alias? otherwise he was just a harmless kook

ron was way more obnoxious - he ruined ttips almost single handedly - quite a feat if you consider it - there was so much diversity of stupid there ( I did like it though - lol)

His Tunnel Creek comments were unkind and offensive but he made a point about avalanche accident "celebrity". At least in the recent alias post in this thread. There seem to be a significant number of people who know him and vouch for him.

Seems odd that theRog's lame shtick is the one you'd pick to make an example of, rather than any number or lame and purely disruptive aliases.

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

He knows how to contact us if he wanted to discuss another chance

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He did, publicly. He royally pissed you guys off so you wanted him gone. Buttmudd's stated his only reason is to stir shit (you seem to have no problem with that) and he's been banned more times but you got all chummy with him. Not that I particularly liked rawj (nor he me) but he actually cared to post useful information in the surf forum. Many times, generally selflessly. There are plenty of people who care enough to tell people they suck here who've never bothered to do anything remotely similar.

If you want to be a rule driven moderated board - don't discuss shit publicly. It doesn't work if you do that. Follow your own rules and be fair and even.

Echoing what Hugh just said, there are plenty of other members here who are way worse than la rog ever was. At least he posted useful information and provided himself as a resource outside these forums.


It's pretty funny how there is such a butthurt following for him.

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Originally Posted by DBdude

i never understood the rog hate - he was a pompous ass [but] otherwise he was just a harmless kook

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Wrong. You ever have a ski partner not wait for you at the top of 50 degree run (for no more than ten minutes mind you while you take off your crampons balling with snow) and then ski down directly on top of you? I did. His real life name is Rog. Worse ski partner ever. And yes that is my opinion.

But anyone that disrespects the lives of of fellow skiers lost in avalnces and constantly cunts up every thread here (all to stoke his narcissism and ego) and continues do so time and time again clearly does belong to this or any community of skiers that I want to hang with.

Move on ...



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In all fairness, I am sure Rog did not mean anything evil or mean regarding the Tunnel Creek incident. What he was saying, is they acted in group think and died, whereas RT3 was solo, but survived. Obviously it was in poor taste, but given the shit being floated RT3's way, it was a valid point. I don't agree with most of his decisions, but he's entitled to his opinion.

Only problem with Rog, is he shared those opinions 24/7, on every thread, and turned this into a Rog-centric universe. He would then feed off the backlash and relished the attention. It got old and many here just got sick of it.

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Originally Posted by lynchdogger

not wait for you at the top of 50 degree run (for no more than ten minutes mind you while you take off your crampons balling with snow) and then ski down directly on top of you? I did. His real life name is Rog. Worse ski partner ever.

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Did he tell you you were using the wrong type of crampons as he skied by?

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Did he tell you you were using the wrong type of crampons as he skied by?

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Hahaha! And of course the wrong bindings too ...

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And as far as banning goes...


Everything in moderation, including moderation.

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

...he shared those opinions 24/7, on every thread, and turned this into a Rog-centric universe. He would then feed off the backlash and relished the attention. It got old and many here just got sick of it.

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That's how I saw it. His compulsive thrunting was seriously fucked up. I don't, and won't, miss him.

IMO there is a serious need for "cleanup on aisle 4" at this point.

This place is an incredible treasure trove of good info and some fine folks. But a lot of info and a whole lot of stoke, has been crowded out by idiotic sexism/misogyny, homophobia, racism, general asshatery, etc. Especially when you mix a pinch of psycho internet creepsterism into the stew. It seems to impact the overall tone more than I care for. Having a "personality" is not the same as bringing the stupid and the bigotry all the time.

Besides the undercurrents bubbling in the mainline stuff, the padded room and polyass, as they reflect the temperament of much of the community, are pretty major turnoffs for some pretty good folks. Some no longer showing up much, or at all. A loss IMO.

Community self-policing certainly has not done it. Hopefully the TGR Private Equity Overlords will do the math, and conclude that the long term viability and stoke of the site are actually aligned with getting the house in a bit of order. I'm pretty sure that over-moderation is definitely not a problem here. And is not likely to be one.

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Originally Posted by lynchdogger

Wrong. You ever have a ski partner not wait for you at the top of 50 degree run (for no more than ten minutes mind you while you take off your crampons balling with snow) and then ski down directly on top of you? I did. His real life name is Rog. Worse ski partner ever. And yes that is my opinion.

But anyone that disrespects the lives of of fellow skiers lost in avalnces and constantly cunts up every thread here (all to stoke his narcissism and ego) and continues do so time and time again clearly does belong to this or any community of skiers that I want to hang with.

Move on ...



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sorry dude - didn't know - really

Can we all stfu and agree that ryan dunfee is a bad writer?

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Originally Posted by Tye 1on

..Todd....

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I'm not going to argue that. :)

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Originally Posted by lynchdogger

Wrong. You ever have a ski partner not wait for you at the top of 50 degree run (for no more than ten minutes mind you while you take off your crampons balling with snow) and then ski down directly on top of you? I did. His real life name is Rog. Worse ski partner ever. And yes that is my opinion.

But anyone that disrespects the lives of of fellow skiers lost in avalnces and constantly cunts up every thread here (all to stoke his narcissism and ego) and continues do so time and time again clearly does belong to this or any community of skiers that I want to hang with.

Move on ...



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Well, I've heard both stories in person and the absolute truth is always somewhere in the middle. 50 degrees? Yeah, for one turn! You were not fit enough to tour with him. I wasn't either, that's why I never have. That never works. One guy freezes his ass off waiting and the other can be dangerous by trying to go too fast trying to keep up. You guys were not a good pair. He told me he skied down to check on you...which makes sense to me. Many others in here have toured with him without issues.

Speaking of danger, I heard you took a fall. Hope you're healing up.

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Originally Posted by strawjack

Well, I've heard both stories in person and the absolute truth is always somewhere in the middle. 50 degrees? Yeah, for one turn! You were not fit enough to tour with him. I wasn't either, that's why I never have. That never works. One guy freezes his ass off waiting and the other can be dangerous by trying to go too fast trying to keep up. You guys were not a good pair. He told me he skied down to check on you...which makes sense to me. Many others in here have toured with him without issues.

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We should probably leave that kind of ski alpinism etiquette dispute for commonlaw to moderate.

But AFAIAA it's got nothing to do with why therawg got banned.

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Originally Posted by strawjack

I'm not going to argue that. :)



Well, I've heard both stories in person and the absolute truth is always somewhere in the middle. 50 degrees? Yeah, for one turn! You were not fit enough to tour with him. I wasn't either, that's why I never have. That never works. One guy freezes his ass off waiting and the other can be dangerous by trying to go too fast trying to keep up. You guys were not a good pair. He told me he skied down to check on you...which makes sense to me. Many others in here have toured with him without issues.

Speaking of danger, I heard you took a fall. Hope you're healing up.

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Bullshit on all accounts. I never would have a problem someone taking laps around me go for it but he could have skied down the main line of Chute and been nowhere near me instead he skis diwn right on top of me right in the boot pack. Whatever he's your buddy now. You can have em. Feeling fine thanks.

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Originally Posted by tgrweb

THE 3 BASIC RULES:
1) Do not flame anyone's race, faith or sexual preferences
2) No personal attacks or threats against other members
3) Don't post someone else's email address, phone number, or physical address! We will delete it immediately and count it as a strike (more on that later)

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I've been thinking for a while about these rules. Personally I hate the ambiguity and application of them. They will be violated constantly, yet there will never be any action taken as long as you are an accepted member. At the same time, I'm extremely happy they are not being applied as stated, I didn't want this place to change.

You guys are like my corporate HR department. Set up rules that no one follows, ignore 99% of the violations, then when you want to get rid of someone you don't like, site the rules that no one followed.

Then we have the Icelanticskier situation. The only well known (infamous) poster to be banned (that I know of), who didn't break any of the rules. I never saw the tunnel creek post but have an idea of what he said. He did break almost every other social norm though, lecturing about Marker, helmets, etc. However the guy would share his honest opinions most of the time. You can hate him for those opinions, and can be justified in that hatred, but I don't think that should amount to a ban. I hate Downbound Rain, but I'm not advocating for him to be banned.

The ignore button exists for a reason. Its not like he was wiped off the face of the earth, you just silenced him from the forum. The same thing could be accomplished by individuals with the ignore button.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

We should probably leave that kind of ski alpinism etiquette dispute for commonlaw to moderate.

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Ask oft what's its like to have a lunger wheeze behind him.

ob la di.

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Originally Posted by lynchdogger

Bullshit on all accounts. I never would have a problem someone taking laps around me go for it but he could have skied down the main line of Chute and been nowhere near me instead he skis diwn right on top of me right in the boot pack. Whatever he's your buddy now. You can have em. Feeling fine thanks.

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On all accounts? the 50 degrees! :) It's fucking Tuckerman. :tongue:

Pretty sure you introduced or mentioned Rog to me the first time since we're both alum of the EMS scene, but yeah I get along fine with him, but I've skied and biked with you 10 times more than with him. Actually, I've skied once and biked once with him and that's it. He helps me out a lot with gear and repair work...it's all good. I know he did for you also to the extent you can at corpmerica.

Glad you're healing up.

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Originally Posted by neufox47

Then we have the Icelanticskier situation. The only well known (infamous) poster to be banned (that I know of), who didn't break any of the rules.

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LOL... you think he's gone? HA! And the person behind that old login has broke plenty of the rulez.

And just as a word of caution MODs coming from someone in the know. Once you ban someone, especially ones that are complete asshats, their TRUE colors shine and try to do everything to circumvent that banning of one screen name and begin making more, and more, and more. There is no way to permanently ban anyone if they are even slightly internet savvy and trolls usually are. Usually turning them into a bigger cunt than you started with and where does that leave you... and us?

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Originally Posted by IVplay

Can we all stfu and agree that ryan dunfee is a bad writer?

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IMNSHO Ryan made a one time mistake by coming on the board and defending/discussing/finally dissing his snowmobile piece and similarly mods and tgr owners and associates shouldn't discuss individual bans. Counterproductive on all counts.

Unibonger

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

In all fairness, I am sure Rog did not mean anything evil or mean regarding the Tunnel Creek incident. What he was saying, is they acted in group think and died, whereas RT3 was solo, but survived. Obviously it was in poor taste, but given the shit being floated RT3's way, it was a valid point. I don't agree with most of his decisions, but he's entitled to his opinion.

Only problem with Rog, is he shared those opinions 24/7, on every thread, and turned this into a Rog-centric universe. He would then feed off the backlash and relished the attention. It got old and many here just got sick of it.

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This. Exactly the issue. He has his pluses, but JFC with the incessant posting, the fat bikes, markers, helmet, leashes, solo touring kookisms.....We already know your pov. Everybody here knows your opinion, You don't have to repeat it in every thread! ....but he loved the attention, like a child that would rather take negative attention over no attention at all.

With all that said; I'll miss him in the surf forum, and enjoyed his ability to get everyone worked up without, generally, being mean spirited. (Like creaky)

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Originally Posted by neufox47

...You can hate him for those opinions, and can be justified in that hatred, but I don't think that should amount to a ban.

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He wasn't banned (I assume) or hated for his opinions, he was banned (I assume) and hated for the way he behaved here.

HTH

Edited for accuracy

I thought Rog was banned for driving a CRV, instead of the required AWD diesel Audi wagon.

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Originally Posted by Mr brownstone

1st off, glad you're on the mend. Thank you for responding to my get well text the other day. Glad you appreciated the sentiment.

That day in question was an interesting one to be sure. When we looked up chute that day it appeared that there was some new blown in snow in the main line of chute. Which is why we chose to put the booter (you're welcome) up the climbers right spine thingy to limit our exposure in the gut. Booting was fairly straightforward, deeper down low and barely ripe bomber corn up high. I got quite a bit ahead of you breaking trail then of course the line is steep enough up high where it's impossible to see someone below until you make a few turns down over the rollover. I got to the top, transitioned, ate, drank, waited, ate, put a jacket on and after close to 20 minutes i was getting cold so i decided i'd very carefully and slowly skied down just skiers left of the booter where the snow was bomber 1/2 inch deep corn. I wan't going to ski down the gut as that's what we were trying to avoid on the way up. Plus i wanted to leave you with the good snow down the main line which you seemed to appreciate after your nice run (you're welcome again). When i skied down above you VERY slowly i stopped once seeing you, apologized immediately and told you i was worried that you may have turned back. I couldn't find this out from up top where i was getting cold. Once you passed me on the booter i proceeded to go poke at the snow in the gut to see how it would ski for you (you're welcome) then skied the spine/booter line leaving you best line cuz i wanted you to have it.

Oh and glad you liked the scarpa boots that i got you that bro deal on by calling the rep for you and telling him what an upstanding mountain dood that you are (you're welcome yet again).

So ya i guess i skied down on ya. But not without thought or contemplativeness.

Not skiing down on someone is bc 101 shit, and if you don't think i know that, oh well. I've met plenty of great folks on here that i tour with, surf with, and ride with and i appreciate the community and info share.

I can play nice, but ban me if you must. I understand.

peace

rog

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New roolz are working just great......

At least people are arguing about actual skiing now. That's a start

If these rules bother you, you might be taking this "place" too seriously...

So... Some of you might know this story (paging Big Tim)... I got banned from telemarktips. I didn't know it for quite a while cuz I just stopped going there for a couple years after I quit.

To make a long story short, I called Mitch out on a matter of journalistic and personal integrity over something he'd written in the "news" section about a common friend of ours (and some of you).

I decided I wasn't going to be part of the forum anymore. I said farewell to folks there (many of whom are here now), and moved in to TGR. I didn't have a long drawn out drama scene. I just left.

No big deal. Time to move on from an increasingly shitty web site and forum and be part of a growing one. And I knew a few folks here.

I didn't know I was banned until over a year later when I went there to find an old friend. Tried to log in and discovered I was BANNED!

THE HORROR! THE OUTRAGE!

And I lurked. I noticed that nobody missed me. They didn't care that I was gone.

And it was ok.

Ive run into Mitch at Mammoth a few times after that and everything's been cool. No hard feelings. Let's make some turns! I wish he'd followed up on and written more about EJ as things developed, but he's moved on.

I've mostly stayed away from EYT. Doing myself and Craig a favor. We've already been through a pissing match in Couloir.

Some of you folks came from Ttips.

Hugh was there. Hugh used to be cool. He shouldn't be banned. But he should quit.


Long story short?

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Originally Posted by neufox47

I've been thinking for a while about these rules. Personally I hate the ambiguity and application of them. They will be violated constantly, yet there will never be any action taken as long as you are an accepted member. At the same time, I'm extremely happy they are not being applied as stated, I didn't want this place to change.

You guys are like my corporate HR department. Set up rules that no one follows, ignore 99% of the violations, then when you want to get rid of someone you don't like, site the rules that no one followed.

Then we have the Icelanticskier situation. The only well known (infamous) poster to be banned (that I know of), who didn't break any of the rules. I never saw the tunnel creek post but have an idea of what he said. He did break almost every other social norm though, lecturing about Marker, helmets, etc. However the guy would share his honest opinions most of the time. You can hate him for those opinions, and can be justified in that hatred, but I don't think that should amount to a ban. I hate Downbound Rain, but I'm not advocating for him to be banned.

The ignore button exists for a reason. Its not like he was wiped off the face of the earth, you just silenced him from the forum. The same thing could be accomplished by individuals with the ignore button.

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Well said. I also didn't read his tunnel creek posts, but if you took him with a grain of salt (as EVERYONE should take EVERYONE on here, btw) I thought he added more than he took away. And I thought his trolling online antics were hilarious at times.

reminds me of this, particularly the ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCAsGHuk3c

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

I thought Rog was banned for driving a CRV, instead of the required AWD diesel Audi wagon.

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To clarify any ambiguity, it was a CRV with AT tires.

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Originally Posted by Swine

To clarify any ambiguity, it was a CRV with AT tires.

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Haha! Missed that one. ... let me guess "a good Pair of AT tires work just as well as good winter tires. (It's all on the driver, and rog is a great driver)

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Originally Posted by telemike

Unibonger

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& Sledneckripper

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Originally Posted by Mofro261

& Sledneckripper

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He came back for a bit as ^^^

And Smokey McPole got banned as well. Possibly spawning the jerantula line.

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Originally Posted by PNWbrit

New roolz are working just great......

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No doubt. Fuck it. And at nauseam ... I'm done.

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Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

LOL... you think he's gone? HA! ... There is no way to permanently ban anyone if they are even slightly internet savvy and trolls usually are. Usually turning them into a bigger cunt than you started with and where does that leave you... and us?

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Fortune teller? Could you pick some powerball tics for me?



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I wish all you special snowflakes would fall on the ground so I could go skiing ;). Fucking summer sand in the collective vag that is TGR.