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Thanks for update joe - glad yours was successful mount. As Lou said on wild snow - if you mount them 100% right they will work as designed. Have you got use to the trip and hover on the toe entry? I think it would get pretty difficult in the deep snow -Quote:
Originally Posted by Climber Joe
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Originally Posted by SkiingQuinHat
Found this vid on the Diamir site. Different technique than the standard left-right tech-toewiggle. Place your heel against heelpiece align toes with toepiece, step in. Then step in the back.
Edit: http://youtu.be/Y1iZlhKZA6U
Looks fairly easy to me.
This actually makes sense, since there's no "tech gap" on these. Unintuitive though, if you're used to any other tech bindings. I'll have to try it. Mine haven't left the bench yet though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio
I honestly don't think its that bad. In deep snow I usually post hole my uphill foot, click my downhill ski in, then stand up to get the uphill on. I have been doing basically the same thing as the video someone just posted, and it works just fine. (I tried a few other methods that weren't so great first)Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
I'm definitely going to be watching this thread throughout the season. If these things stand up to some abuse (ie live up to the whole "tech alpine binding" label that fritschi markets them as), I will definitely pick a pair up next season.
I know they're not quite as beefy and only have a 12din max, but I'd like to see what people think of them compared to the beasts.
I have high hopes for these, the design looks solid (although it might be nice to see a beefed up and 16 din version in the future) thanks to everyone who took the risk and got a pair and is keeping us updated.
Anyone see SIA updates to these for next year?
Damn. I went a different direction with my Vector BCs: TTS w/TLT6Ms. Loving it. Not intended to rub it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
^^^^no worries, mine were exchanged for fresh vector bc's with speed superlites - fritschi and specifically their R&D group can go pound salt - this kid aint signed up for their crash test dummy trial program....
Another review - good one too
http://swissalpineadventure.blogspot...2-binding.html
Fishscales with no flat tour mode? Hey, this forum needs a fat fishscale thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
The simplicity and weight savings is small price for the .5 inch heel liftQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Steve
Can't believe how nice the vectors are in fresh and deep
FFF, subscribed - (fat fishscale forum)
Rawj had no problems linking soft bouncy turns on that flat football field -
Awesome, that looks really simple. I've been thinking about picking up a pair of Vipecs specifically for the forward flex and lateral toe release, but was concerned about ease of step-in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dio
But no quick DH to tour mode change, very nice to have with fat fishscalesQuote:
Originally Posted by NoPostholio
Spoke with a guide yesterday who has 50 days on them with no issues. He also said they ski pretty much the same as Dynafits, but "maybe a little stronger on hard snow."
Dunno if it's been posted yet but the QK/BF screw spec for the Vipec is:
8no. 12mm pan heads
8no. 10mm csk flat heads
Had my first day on the Vipecs on Saturday. Was initially planning on hiking around a bit, but ended up skiing them inbounds. Step-in can be a bit fiddly, but other than that they were great. Felt like alpine bindings going down, apart from weighing half as much.
Initial adjustment of the toe pin was fairly straightforward, no issues with it so far. I applied Loctite 263 per the Fritschi bulletin.
Three more days on the Vipecs with no major issues. They tour well, switching modes and risers with a pole is very easy. No complaints about downhill performance. Getting used to the step-in now, but pins occasionally stick on step-out. Problem can be solved by wiggling your foot/pushing the lever down again
I've got a handful of days on mine now, both inbounds and out. I have released out of the toe piece a couple times mucking through thick trees on the exits of backcountry laps.
The step-in can be a little funky, but I think I've gotten kind of used to it. They tour and ski great. I've got them mounted on Soul 7s, and it is spooky how light yet capable this setup is.
Face-to-palm.
Spent the morning finally getting my Vipec/Vector rig ready to go. After applying loctite to the toe pins I was using my fancy new torque wrench to torque down the locknut. Stripped one of the pins. I was reading the scale on the wrench wrong. Looks like the wings are fine, but I obviously need to wait for replacement pins now.
I'm an idiot.
You stripped a steel pin in an Al alloy hole?
I think Fritschi might have over estimated the mechanical competence of the average North America ski tourer.
Soon they'll have to limit instal to certified competent shops only.
Stripped the threads on the pin underneath the locknut. Misread the scale on the wrench and had it set about 7.5 Nm. Awesome, since I bought the wrench specifically to avoid botching this operation. Luckily the threads in the aluminum wings look fine.
Or I stripped the threads on the locknut, kind of hard to tell as the locknut no longer moves on the pin.
More likely the nut cuz the pin should be some hard shit. Hardware store.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
Seriously, who needs a torque wrench to snug down a 4M or whatever the fuck it is locknut?
You just tighten that nut till it strips and back er off a 1/4 turn eh?
I made a career out of fixing shit much of which looked pretty simple to me but it was just what I was good at
OTOH ... I know absolutely nothing about women
Easy to bag on MrSmith but how many certified competent shops are there really?
competent or certified?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
the presence of the new torque wrench is disturbing.
I wouldn't post something like this here and not expect to be bagged on. I'm not in the habit of doing shit this dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Surely, all torque wrenches should be old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
Less and less these days, especially outside of mountain towns.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Alpine gear doesn't require actual technical skill. Align a jig, slam some holes, and get forward pressure sorta kinda close and it's good.
Adjusting for a mm or less of tech fitting variance then properly torquing a jam nut is much harder relative to the alpine setup.
I have not seen the Diamir tech manual for the new bindings, but the Swiss are usually very detailed if you take the time to read it all.
Isn't the average tech characteristically some dirt bag making not much $, who closed a place somewhat like say the Savage Beagle, last nite ... just as the mushrooms kicked in?Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Sadly that might be true although I go to techs I trust. Randoms might not be as lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Know its been said before but is it really a good idea for Fritschi to build something that requires as much precision as this? Especially given the state of competence in shops and home mechs - myself included? Just speculating on the precision as I'm kind of allergic to being the guinea pig for first-year tech bindings so am happy to let everyone else be the test bunnys.
If manufacturers keep selling shit tech boot fittings, yes. It's one or the other.
bleeding edge technology was/is ime never the best place to be
SO is spite of the sexy vipec & ion threads I bought 2 sets of dynatfits in the last month or so ... better the devil you know than the devil you don't
^^^word, speed radicals will do ne just fine now.
Is there so much variation with non-Dynafit tech toes that an adjustable jaw width is necessary? Seems the dims could be reverse engineered within a cunt hair or two. Or is it a wear thing?
When I had my vipecs mounted up, I had the shop tech try both my vulcans and tlt5s. When set up for the vulcans, the tlt5s would not get the same release parameters needed to deem them g2g with same pin adjustment. With the vipecs the pins have to be static and at full depth in the inserts - too tight or too loose and you would not get proper release needed. Dynafit toes on the other hand continue to clamp and the springs are always holding the pins into the dimples. I guess it all boils down to whether you think the toe release would help you. For me I did not see that as an advantage when weighed against all the fiddling involved with getting toes exactly right.