nice, meter-man!
I've got the same graphic on my GPO's!
what bindings did you end up putting on those protests?
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nice, meter-man!
I've got the same graphic on my GPO's!
what bindings did you end up putting on those protests?
I put Sollyfits on there, but still haven't toured on them yet. They are unbelievable in any sort of fresh snow (less so in skied-out crud...unlike the Bibby), so I would imagine they would be amazing for a pow-touring stick. Eventually...I'd like to tour on these 187s only, and pick up a 196 for bottomless storm days and -- if dreams come true -- AK heli trips haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
There's also a 192 option. Love that ski. Most days this year I've been on my 187's. All I need is 4-5 inches and out they come. Soo funQuote:
Originally Posted by meter-man
I love mine (187's) and have had a blast with them. They do seem to put a bit more stress on my knees, but I'm guessing any wide ski would. I had such a love affair with them I picked up a 177 for my wife who comes from a more traditional background and she HATED them in about 10-12" of heavy. It was like skiing mashed potatoes. She felt they were too much ski for her, and went back to the 175cm GPO's which are becoming her daily driver in almost all conditions but NE boilerplate. She's also a bit more precise/cautious and likes to turn a lot, whereas I enjoy opening it up a bit more to let the ski work.
I stuck out the day on my Protest, but did feel the heavy conditions combined with the surface area of the ski made the tight trees a bit of a handful. I switched off to my 180 BC's the following day with similar conditions and overall it was a much better experience.
Do I convince her it was the snow conditions, or do we just let that experiment slide and realize she's not into this style of ski?
My custom 187s with MAP and carbon Flex 3 got delivered last week. Stoked to A/B these to Lotus 124 pure3.
Also what is the consensus on mount point? Heard the line is a little forward..
Should have read the full thread first. Going with -1.5 or -2 I think.
If I were to do it again I'd go -1 but I gravitate more towards leaning into it and am clearly not a model of stellar form. I find I overcompensate and end up backseat on more centered mounts when the snow gets soft. Getting better at trusting the ski. It takes a ton to actually bury the tips on these things.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibass
Where do you live or ski normally?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breomonkey
If there's one lesson I've learned in marriage and skiing, that's not to push the wife...
You could probably se those 177's pretty easily if you had to
reality is probably a 50/50 split UT vs NE. With GPO's it's not like the Protest is needed, but when conditions are right, I just love mine so we figured it would be fun for her to try.
I'm sure we could ditch them fairly easily if we wanted, but they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Copy that on not forcing the issue. That's why the GPO's came back out at lunchtime.
They can take a few days to really click and use the yuge sweet spot. I really really prefer them mounted back 1.5 from the dimple, if you haven't or considered that. One fresh line or long soft corn run can change things tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Breomonkey
bumping this thread since Praxis is having their custom ski sale. I have Billy Goats as a resort powder ski and really don't "need" Protests, but they've always captured my eye since Praxis first came out with them. would like to hear more testimonies so I can justify getting them. 5'8" and 155lbs and eyeing the 187. right length?
The Protest is more pivoty than the BG. Protest floats better at low speeds. However the tip of the BG can be driven harder. BG is way better in chop and crud.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnykim
I put Guardians on my Protests thinking that I'd use them for a mix of big resort days, sled skiing, and slackcountry touring. In reality I never ski them inbounds. Inbounds means you can get on steeper pitches on deep days and the BG floats just fine once up to speed, and the BG are more fun once it gets cut up a little. They are my go-to sled ski and I occasionally take them for shorter skins, but I do wish I could drive the tips more. They're still the best ski I own for skiing low-angle pow (ie, high danger days in the backcountry).
I've contemplated selling my pair and ordering a UL pair with tech bindings instead.
Length - I'm 5'9" 145lb, love the 186 BG, and am on the 187 Protest. While not too short, I'd seriously consider stepping up to the 192 - mostly in hopes that I could drive them a little harder.
Wondering on flex for Protests. Go for 4 if used to a stiffer ski (currently riding Bibby's)? Or is the standard flex pretty dialled for ~180lb skiers?
Thinking of 187 UL layup, Flex 4 with Beast 14 for an inbounds/touring deep day rig.
At 160ish lbs I'm fine with 3 flex on tat ski(my gpo's ul and map are 4). You'd probably like 4. Because inbounds I'd say skip the ul. Map(enduro)C with veneer would be my choice for your usage. I've been thinking/dreaming of that setup with beast 14 or kingpinQuote:
Originally Posted by P.T.
I'm 5'9 175 lbs and pretty happy with 192s. If I was your size Johny I'd probably go 187. I have never felt the 192 was unwieldy in even tight low angle trees. Very rarely the actual length has gotten in the way throwing sideways in tight trees.
And PT enduro/carbon/Veneer seems like the best layup for your usage. Doesn't seem like people like the UL unless it's in very consistent/bc snow. I like the 3 flex on mine, personally don't think they need the stiffer flex as a pow ski but that's me
Cheers for that. I'll have to do some reading about the veneer. Even with the sale, these are getting pricy in CAD!
I get you on our Canadian pesos but I still do it, especially when you consider they last atleast 4x as long as the big companies products. That and moooar skisQuote:
Originally Posted by P.T.
Ha. AlwaysQuote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I posted in the Praxis thread but I figure a few more Protest owners might follow this thread - debating where to mount my 192 Enduro veneer protests (#3 Flex). My last pair of 192s were on the line, which were good, but in deep powder I felt a little forward, and occasionally felt like I had too much tail in tight trees. Thinking between -1 and -2. Should I split the difference and go -1.5?
Seems like a lot of guys on this thread like the -1.5 mount
I have gen2 188's. They are -1.5 I believe. 102.5 from the tip.
I'm debating on a 192 and I was going to mount them -1.5. For my style I like them back just a touch.
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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
I have old 188s. Originally at -101 from tip, moved to -102 after a couple of seasons and prefer it.
So that'd be about -9 from center, stock is -8 on the current gen
My 187s are at -1 from the dimple and I doubt I would mind being another cm back.
Everytime this thread comes up i scour the internet for a pair of 187s or 192. I don't think I'd miss the Bibby's much if these replaced them.
I have some 187's for saleQuote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
182 praxis gpo ul (med/stiff 4 flex)surf city graphic with dynafit radical st
Inserts for 297mm @ -1 and 277mm @ -1(one heel mount and 2 toe mounts possibly extra 2 inserts in each toe for non rad for the 297). Some light scrapes top and bottom, no core shots or any edge or sidewall deformations. I be put a candle of ptex in the base since I got these new and they've never been ground. $330 usd plus ship
187 praxis protest (standard flex and build)rastaman graphic with sth16's. 2 mounts for 297mm. On the dimple and current -1.5. No core shots or any edge or sidewall issue. Top sheet scrapes and one scratch in the base I can't get Perez to hold. Never been base ground. Probably a light base ground and edge and they'd be mint. $245 usd plus ship
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/....php?p=5030467
I'm considering selling my 187s actually as well. Standard layup, one mount for small Guardian 297mm @ -1cm. A little more expensive than grinch's, but only one mount. Bindings available too if you want them.
Actually....I think you might miss them, but not for the reason you expect. I have both 190 Bibbys and 187 Protest (medium flex with carbon layup, maybe 14/15s?).Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
They're pretty different. Bibbys are super versatile, and to me, ski best in resort chop. They drop and land cliffs very well. They carve decently. Definitely more of a one-ski quiver. But you definitely notice the sidecut in untracked, hooking and pulling, especially coming off the Protests. They are nowhere near as dynamic in deeper powder.
In uncut snow, the Protests blow the Bibbys out of the water -- they are buttery, easy-turning magic. They don't have quite the same monster-size stomp envelope that the Bibbys provide; they are more prone to wheelies, but they still do just fine on landings. Groomers are fine if boring. They do fine in chop, but once it gets set up into crud, you'd be happier on the Bibbys. That said, the Protests are also easier to turn than the Bibbys, even in bumps (which is a weird thing to say about 128 underfoot skis).
On sizing, if you have 184 Bibbys, go 187. If you have and like the 190s, I'd try to get a 192. I'm fine with my 187s, esp for touring, but for resort, I think the longer models might suit me better. I might go for a longer pair anyway because I like the Protests so damn much.
Anyway, by all means, buy a pair of Protests -- they are a revelation! They even make Bibbys feel just average in powder... And for the price offered above, that's a screamer.
Nice handle btw.
I haven't skied the Bibby's but I whole heartedly agree with EVERYTHING meter-man said here about the protest. I would add that they are a grip of fun even a couple days after a storm if your local hasn't been absolutely destroyed, and I've personally never had the wheelie issue with em
Thanks meter-man -- that's helpful. Given that these would be an inbounds pow ski (have Lhasas mounted up for BC) and I live in the Front Range most pow days are 2-3 laps of untracked, another 2-3 lap of mostly untracked in the trees and then chop. Bibbys probably better reflect what I do ski vs what I wish I skied.
I'm on 184 Bibbys but that was more out of "holy fuck, $100 minty Bibbys" than whether I wanted to be on them versus 190s. I'm about to mount them back up after pulling off some Barons that were developing play. Sometimes feel like I wish I had a bit more tip which makes me think the 190s would be money. Given size of terrain here 187 probably makes more sense, but 192 doesn't sound like too much of a handful.
And fucking thanks TGR. You post one comment in the right thread and you have 3 potential offers.
Gear whores helping others to be gear whores.
Just buy a pair of ProTest. You will not regret it and find yourself skiing them when you thought you wouldn't.
I don't feel I gave my protest a fair shake. I skied them once at BBI17 and had them mounted too far forward... then sold them to Kopi-Red :-( and bought a pair of EHP 193
TGR is essentially the opposite of the equivalent for AA for gear addicts.
So many skis get sold on here with more mounts on them than days skied.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Yeah, I'm with meter-man. Something like a Bibby/Billy Goat/GPO really complements a Protest well. And for Front Range skiing I absolutely think that the Bibby category is a better resort pow day ski than a Protest - we just don't get enough untracked runs to justify the Protest most days.
That's why I'm thinking of selling my 187s. I screwed up by going Guardians on them and standard layup. I actually have a lighter pair coming (187 Enduro/carbon with veneer) that I'll mount up with tech bindings, since I really only ski the Protests in the BC anyway. I'll continue to ski my Billy Goats on most resort pow days.
How much?Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
I'm thinking $350ish flat? Add $200ish if you want the binders too? They're pretty minty, no damage to speak of. Buck's beach topsheet.
Damn that's tempting. That would put me around -1.5. I so want to try the protest Kool aid.
I better log off now.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...751aae352a.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by NW_SKIER
That's the money spot as far as mount goes, imho.
In CO my protests will really only come out in days of 1 foot plus at the resort. Otherwise I'll have my Jeffrey 114s or my Quixotes. Hoping the 182 isn't too short. Will be interesting to compare to my brothers 186 2014 BGs. The protests certainly are still fun in less deep days
doe - adding to the convo and taking from our obvious shared love of the lhasa
been touring on lhasas for 6 years. been skiing inbounds pow on protests for 5. Just got a pair of 184 bibbys last season.
in terms of pow performance (anywhere from untouched to "once-overed") the protest is incomparable. it's like cheating. shit eating grin style, LOL'ing on the way back to the lift. (took a bit to figure out, almost entirely cured by going -1.0 to -1.5 back)
Personally, I'm pretty on the fence about the bibby. It's just not as fun in pow, and I've gotten comfortable enough with the Protest that is comes out anytime there is 5-6" or more. If it's less...the bibby just feels like a bit too much ski for the conditions and is just kinda..uninspiring. I was hoping the bibby would be my no new snow to a little new snow ski, but it just feels meh. I'm considering going with a inbound quiver of protest and something skinnier than a bibby. But I really only have a handful of days on the bibby so maybe my ah-ha moment awaits.
Personally, I would jump on the protest, stat. But based on your description of your typical resort day, the decision is a bit tougher. The protest is a decent chop ski, but it does take a bit of work. If I'm encountering a lot of chop on a run when on the protest, I usually decide it's time to go hiking for more untouched snow. If the whole place is chopped up, I'm going touring the next day anyway.
My $0.02, YMMV
DRINK THE KOOL-AID MAN.
There's a reason that fat motherfucking pitcher of sugar water could blast through walls. He was riding Protests.
Just do it - you won't regret it.