Schwerty,Quote:
Originally Posted by schwerty
Any sections on the Snake fishing better than others?
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Schwerty,Quote:
Originally Posted by schwerty
Any sections on the Snake fishing better than others?
The Park has been better than Wison to West Table. The WW has been good too. There is good water from Wilson down to WT but those sections get hit incredibly hard. The Park is a little less crowded. Still a morning thing though. The earlier the better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColMan
Tricos are hatching. This can be an opportunity if you like mornings or a real buzz kill if you want to get to the water at a leisurely pace. You will find tricos in all regional streams wherever there is some silt and, in very silty habitats with abundant aquatic weeds, the hatch can be heavy. Also, as a technical matter, a #18-24 bug requires fairly slow water to present a good drift so don't go looking for good trico action in rapids or swift, riffled water. The bugs are there, hatching out of the silt in the eddies and tailouts, but the fish just don't seem to focus on them like they do in slower water. In hot weather, the duns are on the water for the first hour or two of light and the spinners are mostly over by late morning. After it is over, the river can go almost totally dead til sunset hours. Fish that get a good eat on early morning tricos can pretty much quit feeding for the rest of the day so plan accordingly.
Green below dj's fishin well summer flows of 900cfs overnight 2xing during the day.
Still sending a ramped up flow down the middle provo out of jordanelle to deer creek.
We're (TU) doing a willow planting fri and sat on the strawberry below solider creek dam.
If you need an excuse to escape the slc valley heat and give a little back to help keep that fishery prime.
Campin @ aspen grove
It sure feels great to see your local river get this sort of review from one of idaho's internet trout bums. Dude fishes the valley boat ramps for two days and declares its the suck. Now that's a Silver Creek/RR Ranch dry fly "expert" in a nutshell. Expects a parking lot and a sign pointing to the easy, flat trail leading him to the C&R meadow stream. Exactly why I do NOT go to those hallowed waters to rub elbows with the purists. I need a river 75 miles long, multiple ecosystems, loaded with 3 species of wild trout, many many 14-18 inchers, has trophy class fish, has east idaho's best alpine cutty stream for a tributary and enough access points to keep an angler busy for weeks. Just a locals river, I guess.....
http://www.west-fly-fishing.com/foru...688#Post703688
I'm usually pretty stoked when some 'expert' makes public claims that my favorite water or ski lift sucks.
Fishing is slowly picking up round the Tetons. Night have been cooler for 4 days or so. Daytime highs have loosened very slightly too. Looks like we are finally into the stretch where highs in both valleys will be in the low-mid 80's and not get there til mid afternoon!
I have been out all over the area on foot and boat over the past two weeks. Rarely do I say this but the lower snake in jH is about the best option around. Palisades cutties are showing their heads. Let others fish foam bugs. A double dry rig with a small pmx, (royal, tan or yellow), and something resembling the good ole snake drake off the back... Parachute adams etc... Pretty basic! Emergers/cripple patterns seem to be taking lots also. Fish that type of rig in slower water. Water temps are still high. Fish ain't on the shallow banks! Hit the first trough or ledge. When fishing in heavy water, bobber fishing has been excellent. Don't get too fancy and have some wt.
The Green, although low and warm, has been good below Warren bridge and receiving light guide pressure. You're not gonna have a banner day with numbers but if you put on early and fish hard...
^^^ How far do you usually float below Warren? I'm in BP for a couple months and looking forward to exploring the lower river. Floated it once below town and saw what I presumed was a huge brown, but I hear rumors of carp?
Carp don't show up too much until you get down towards Font. Res. Carp are a great fish on a fly stick anyway!
You can float warren to forty rod for a short float. Warren to Daniel, ( fee ramp....you can pay at Stanley jct). Daniel to summers is the next popular float. Keep in mind most of the river bottom below warren bridge is private. There are a few good wade access points but not much water
to work with if there are more than a couple cars. Below summers you get into a long stretch, (25+ miles ), of private bottom. Great water but you obviously can't legally anchor or get out of the boat. Lots of braids, logjams , diversions and some barbed wire make that stretch extra fun. So, taking out at summers is usually the last option for most people. Yes, big browns down there.
There are some big fish in that daniel to summers section (2yrs ago:)
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Try the Seedskadee refuge below Fontanelle dam. The number of trout per mile is not impressive compared to the upper sections but its all public land for about 25 river miles so access is not an issue and there are established roads and hiking trails along the river. Meatheads congregate below the dam, skip it. A camping ban inside the refuge, a limit of one trout harvest per day and a minimum size of 20" means the local fishing pressure inside Seedskadee is very light and the brown trout that are in there tend to be big. You got a shot at 25+ inchers. I had a friend get two in one float. Bring your own shuttle if you want to float. If you wade, hike to the sections with riffles and braids as the pools are gigantic and weedy. I recomend the Hay Farm to Bridge section. The river gets warmer and siltier below the Big Sandy confluence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
sandwiched a few days below fontenelle tween 3 days down on the b&c.
Quite the smorgasboard hatch @ weeping rock in the am and nailed a few pigs pre dawn and after 7pm strippin big junk w/ the sink tip
Summer doldrums are windin down but still pretty meh there 12-5
below dj no where near as prolific hatches but terrestrials and caddis in faster water fished well all day
LS weeping rock cg to Slate Creek cg is a pretty good short float and easily mntbable shuttle
We should try and do a mini fishin summit in sept there
last years good flows continue to pay dividends as all fish were fat/healthy on all sections
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Originally Posted by schwerty
I guess the doldrums are over? 38 degrees in the Valley yesterday at dawn. Water felt downright cold until 1pm. The Teton was fishing epic. Got around 60 hookups and brought 42 rainbows and hybrids to hand. Managed to lose every fish over 18" but probably the most action packed 6 hours I've had all season. Only the combined sally and golden stone hatch was that good. Caught all the fish on a single fly, a #6 tan Knotty Girl. Never lost it and it unraveled on the 42nd fish right when I reached my exit trail out of the canyon. To me, that is the fly fishing equivalent of throwing a no hitter. The fly's tattered body is now on my wall of fame. Massive hoppers (#2-6) to be seen everywhere but I don't throw dries to rainbows until I actually see them aggressively feeding on top. With no hatch at all, they were sitting on the bottom but would quickly move 3-4 feet to intercept the fly. Five days ago, you had to put the fly on the fish. Low clear water made for sight nymphing at its best. Water levels in the rapids are almost too skinny for guide trips and the fish are finally getting a rest and are behaving more like a trout should.
Update 9/4: hit up the Teton in the middle canyon and for two hours my usual game of big nymphs and streamers in the rapids got me nothing. Then I found some nice cutts holding in the lower half of the holes but they all looked at my hopper like it was poison. You could tell these fish had been whupped on with big dries during the float season. Started to wonder if this was the day I get beat by some stupid fish. Put on a #8 red Turk's tarantala and it was game on. Got some blow it out of the water takes. Cutts just get aggro for red in the fall and the tarantula's profile is dramatically different from the hoppers and chernobyl ant patterns that most people throw. Casting blind to submerged rockpiles and weedbeds in the tailouts of holes, I picked off around a dozen decent cutts, 13-17 inchers, and called it a day. Around 5pm it got too windy to call it fun.
Update 9/5: Went back to that rainbow water. Super slow. Very bright day. No hatch. Fish sulking not feeding. Then the shadow from the canyon wall crossed the water and it fired up. Got more fish and bigger fish in the last hour than the previous four hours combined. Just, BAM, went from slow and nothing over 16" to a quick dozen 15-18 inchers in 45 minutes. Finished the day with 22 fish to hand and just enough 15-18 inchers to justify the 4 mile hike. I have no idea why the fish in that section would be so light averse yesterday but seemingly unaffected 10 days ago.
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/...fm?newsID=6398
I've seen quite a few dead whiteys in the Teton, especially in the Valley. Most inside corner eddies have one or two 5-6" whities lying belly up on the bottom. And I saw two whirlers this summer. A Friends of the Teton field guy confirmed that WD is present so FYI for you guys coming over here to fish. But this new shit is ominous if we have a dry winter and hot summer over the next year.
Thx for the heads up. Dead whities all over!
Fished the Gallatin yesterday afternoon and evening. Fishing was very good. Average size of both the Rainbows and Browns was excellent. Had several nice browns (rainbows too) aggressively chasing streamers. One of them was the biggest trout I've ever caught in the canyon. Good times.
Spent 4 days last week back on the green below fontenelle. They started lowering/jacking with the flows so there is a lot of loose vegetation and clarity has diminished. Some channels are pretty skinny in the am and required walkin the boat. Floated all sections except lombard to 6 mile. Plenty of fish lookin up. Thurs. was cloudy and fished the best.
had a few pigs on but none of them made it to the net. Plenty of dinks and 12-18ers & startin to see a few kokes comin up.
tryin to talk the mrs. into headin back up this weekend.
That water should be coming into its prime real soon! If Mini Schwerty # 2 wasn't about to pop out I'd be there this wknd.
This small stream beater is going to try to wade Seedskadee tomorrow, going to heed neckdeep's recommendations regarding braids and riffles. I dont see demarcations for Hay Meadow or Bridge on the NFWS maps but it looks like road access is good enough to do some rubbernecking til the water looks right?
Hay Farm is the boat ramp about 8-10 miles above the hwy 28 bridge, where there is another ramp. You get to Hay Farm off hwy 372 about 5 miles north of its junction with hwy 28. There is a gravel road going between the ramps and the refuge headquarters is located along this road. The road generally stays about a 1/4 mile back from the river (it is a wildlife refuge, after all). I do remember a nice piece of swifter water passing through islands not too far downstream of the Hay Farm ramp and fairly close to the road. The pools between the sections of riffle/gravel bars are like small lakes; even at low flows the frog water still has a lot of volume. It would take considerable time to thoroughly work it with a streamer and it seems like a low percentage game. If you are there on a good BWO hatch day, then the top of a pool below a nice riffle would be a good place to look for risers, but otherwise the pools are a difficult place to target fish, even with a boat. Maybe Skifishbum has some tips regarding the slow water cuz there are some big fish in those weeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
Several nice 13-17 inch browns and 10-15 inch bows on the Gally again yesterday. It seems like there are more and more browns hiding behind the rocks over the years. You'll catch a couple nice ones out of one section of pocket water were there used to be a couple 10 to 12 inch rainbows. Still a good number of rainbows and they seem a little bigger than aveage, but the numbers seem to be evening out between them in the lower canyon. All the fish are very jumpy right now when hooked! I also saw one very big, dark colored, shark looking Brown chase a streamer in a big pool I was standing at the tailout of. Yikes!
decided to skip the big big water below Fontenelle and do some wading on some of the great public access around big pooney. Got taken to the end of my backing on a side channel with a nymph, tons and tons of smaller fish rising throughout the day. on top, the most action was with a mayfly emerger dropper at the moment dead drift turned into drag. once again, didn't see a single soul 'cept the token spin-caster, content with sitting down and fishing from the closest big rock to the parking area.
Fished the below the dam on the Snake in JH yesterday. About as good as the river could fish. We made a two mile stretch into 5+ hours. A few pockets of rising fish. One 20+ brown on a size 18 mahogany and tons of nice cutties. Most of the day was spent streamer fishing. Couldn't keep fish away from large, articulated junk. Three streamer rods in the boat, all different colors...the fish didn't care what was in front of them, they ate it.
Go out and get some mahogany action! A tad of cloud cover should help! Not seeing the normal hatches due to the continued summer flows but fish will key on em.
Speaking of flows. The flows on the SF have dropped considerably. The water in the res is low! Jackson Lake is still around 70%! There is no way the flows can be lowered anytime soon, IMO. In fact, I am guessing the opposite mess will occur. There has been lots of talk of the damn dam folks opening up the flood gates on JH side of the Tetons. That would put a damper on the end of outfitter season but trips are slowing anyway. It would suck for those of us that enjoy October fishing on the Snake.
[URL="http://www.jhunderground.com/2012/09/13/bureau-to-cut-dam-releases-early/"]
Actually they're planning on dropping it a week early.
headed back UG way catchin was a bit slow and definitely the most crowded I've seen this summer.
Damn whiteys are gettin aggressive and eatin the streamer.
just as the 3pm wyo winds started crankin the better 1/2 started to push the last mile,
the strippin finger had cracked in both joints and I'd about resigned myself to being content to having enjoyed another quality weekend on the water and gettin a few
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definitely my fish/fight of the summer. Mostly cause mrs. bum fkna rocked the sticks to keep us off the rocks and in a good position to allow me the blessin of puttin this one in the net.
Yeah, I think sugar beets are the only thing left in the ground and as soon as the last of the sugar beet irrigation is done, you can expect to see Palisades quickly cut releases back to bare minimum flows and then Jackson will probably cut its flow going down to Palisades. Palisades is at 18%, just 3% above the dead pool, so the water has to come from Jackson for now. Bureau of Reclamation prefers to store the water in the GTNP so they don't have to listen to all the complaints about an ugly, empty lake in a national park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woolly the Mammoth
Reports from the SF say the streamer fishing is getting better with the drop in flow but its best to put on early. Still the same ol' hit-or-miss river..As for the Teton, many, many small cutts are descending the tribs back into the Teton. Stupid easy dry fly but most of the easy fish are smallish fish (8-14") that spent the summer up in remote parts of Bitch Creek and never saw a line. The resident big uns were not easy, if they even bothered to inspect a dry, which they rarely did on my last visit. A few more weeks and they'll have forgotten about anglers and be back to feeding on top. Saw a few tricos and a few bwos.
Well, I was wrong. Flows outta Jackson lake dam are scheduled to start to drop 9/24. Going down to 345ish. I hope they have a plan for spring! The drop should be over by the 30th which translates to roughly 250cfs per day. Hopefully they do it wisely so we dont see tons of fish die in the side channels.
^^^ nice!!! I think that's a good 2 or 3 weeks earlier than last fall! so much fun to wade once the low flows hit.
It is a fun river to wade! Floating is fantastic at winter flows too if you have a full day to get out. The mahoganies should continue if the days stay warm. Bwo's will be around if it doesn't. Fish are looking for streamers on the snake too. Fall colors! Tetons! This is the time to be on this river. But the damn smoke!!! I'm over this shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
^Word. Thats a fatty bow right there!Quote:
Originally Posted by skifishbum
Just had some great fishing up on the Lakes plateau in the Beartooths this weekend. Three days, 10 alpine lakes, and Rainbow creek/ the East fork and the Boulder on the way out. Some of the most beautifully colored fish Ive ever seen, although not the biggest! All dries, all weekend- they were mowing on ants and adams up high, and huge Elk hair attractors back on the river! We caught mostly rainbows and cutbows, with one (delicious) 12 inch cutthroat (fish lake, the last we were hitting for the day, first cast, not even to a rise... he was as hungry as us!) on the lakes, and some beautiful leopard-spotted rainbows and lots of nice golden bellied cutties on the rivers.
Maddi this afternoon and hoping to get up to Missoula to chase some Bullies this week!
Isn't that verboten?Quote:
Originally Posted by gringorasta
Killing cutts and naming names. Sweet...............
Underoos, he's talking about fishing lakes in the high mountains that never had native cutts before, and many of them, fish lake included, are overpopulated and lightly fished like many stunted brook trout waters. You can't keep native cutts in their native rivers for good reason but some of those lakes that are full of 6-12 inchers could use some thinning out of their emaciated, snaky population. There are also many lakes managed as trophy fisheries so to each their own, there are 400 something lakes up there and something for everyone.
Don't mean to sound like a dick at all, just wanted to clarify the situation and assure you the poster chose to kill a cutt in a reasonable spot. Maybe you meant something different or you feel that the killing of any cutt is unwarranted, don't know, but all due respect if that is your choice.
If you've never eaten a Cutthroat out of an alpine lake... dont bother. Just make sure to pack out the garbage from your freeze dried happy mealQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Nice Dibs! I just received word that flows will be cut back to winter time flows out of Flaming Gorge ( 850 cfs). Gonna suck for a little bit, then the streamer action should be ON!
Streamer action was ON yesterday. It has been building up over the last two weeks but yesterday just about every weed bed and rockpile in the pools had some aggressive cutts ready to move. Got a few big bows in the rapids. It has been five years since the river has been low enough to fully wade side to side through this area of the Teton canyon. Clear low water and minimal wind made for fish tank conditions, could see cruisers and chasers at a distance. Saw a few of the tiny fall BWOs but that hatch still has not really begun. Fished the same #4 powells sculpin from 1pm to 5pm, got a zillion strikes and chases, about 2 dozen takers to hand. Found a flycup with six flies (that I actually use!) as icing on the cake.
Sweet, good to know Neckdeep. I have to go look at the bridge (tough duty) at the put in for the Warm to Ashton float this week and was thinking about hauling the boat with me and floating that section. Do you think I should do that or say screw it and head up and wade the canyon and throw streamers?
Spent last week in dutch john for the 4th annual TU green river 1 fly comp. Pretty funny watchin guys geek out on the picking of the magic fly. Aside from an occasional cadis and small pmd's not much goin on up top.
my pops and his partner took high boat score, but they nymphed a 3" thin piece of red surgical tube aka the wiggly worm, which is funny as my dad would rather be skunked than nymph. I was blessed to row for a couple good sticks who threw the small tootsie roll ant and were gettin some good eats till one guy snapped off on the back cast and the others fly fell apart after the 3rd fish. Red creek was blown so we pushed down to the c and stuck a few quality big browns on big articulated junk in tea colored water. Another fine event that raised some $$$$ to help insure the greens flows don't end up waterin greenies lawns in some Millionaires pipe dream.
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Pretty colors on the river and fish
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Wish I coulda made it down this yr, Dibs. Sounds like fun.
Teleee - wading the Teton canyon is pretty damn nice this time of year. Cardiac canyon is also an incredible place to fish in the fall. That being said, Warm to Ashton shouldn't be too crowded.
Fished canyon section SF today. Plan was to throw streamers but the olives were hatching thick and everyone was up and eating on top. A really great day.