I like to think this is me too. However, dropping into the big line I know where my trigger handle is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Paul
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I like to think this is me too. However, dropping into the big line I know where my trigger handle is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Paul
Wow, random-ass bump. It's amazing, Advresystemgame's ignorance is second only to his butthurt. Which is odd, because I thought ignorance is bliss.
Avalung = Plan Z
I would definitely say the Avalung is no joke.
I went for a tumble on a run in Kananaskis during xmas 2011. Top to bottom, 1000'. Small avy, but endo'd pretty much the whole way down while I was in the washing machine.
When everything busted up around me and I realized I couldn't get out of the path or self-arrest, I chucked my poles, started kicking my skis off and bit onto the mouthpiece pretty god-d@mn quick. It doesn't take much time to get that thing to your mouth unless you get absoultely surprise blasted from behind on a run.
My pack is always done up pretty tightly (as I tend to pack everything but the kitchen sink), so there was never much of an issue of it ripping off.
It definitely helped me because I was able to breathe pretty comfortably (albeit quickly) as I tumbled the entire run in the avy. I'd imagine I would've ended up chocked full of snow otherwise. My buddies said the avy ran fast, and although it felt like I was f*ckin flying, it literally took an eternity to get down.
I ended up half-buried, but the sensation of the avy slowing down, starting to compress my back, push me down, and then my kicking like a mutherf*cker to try and unbury myself is a sensation that was maybe a little less trying, knowing I had the avalung firmly in my mouth (with my buddies a couple hundred feet away, safe).
Ultimately, I took the wrong entry into a narrow run that my buddies had ridden before me. I believe avy danger at the treeline was considerable that day, so we rode something to mitigate the dangers as best we could, but I still got smoked. I don't look on the avalung as my instrument to cheat death, but more so an insurance policy that will up my odds should the worst happen.
To me, it's no joke.
pretty solid first post for a ski e-site.
bF
dunno man, i found that piercing my lips super tight while spitting frequently worked wonders.........whatever works:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltbeefjunkie
rog
I think you mean pursing?
Hopefully.
thanx brit! that's what i meant. me so smaht:DQuote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
rog
I skimmed over the thread, but I didn't see anything about the CO skier who was buried for 3 hours with his avalung.
It doesn't explicitly say that he used the avalung for 3 hours to survive but, this is what they said "He had a small space in front of his face. The mouthpiece of the Avalung was inside that space."
Full story here
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22...during-3-hours
I heard he didn't have it in, that he was buried very shallow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairmaster
What is worth finding out more about is the Eisman Hut triple burial.
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Were you tomahawking / tumbling in it?Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
no, that's not my style, you should know that by now my friend. i was undersnow body surfing the shit. totally encapsuled (brit?) by the moving white mass. like a moving tomb tightly wrapped like a mummy. shit my sunglasses didn't even come off! pretty wild actually:)Quote:
Originally Posted by neufox47
stoked to ski today!!!
rog
I've come to think of the Avalung as a anti NARSID device and if it happens to help me in a avi, bonus.
I was lapping the side country a few years ago on a big day with all my gear. About 3pm my bud's all left and I took another lap in bounds. I was really tired and should have just called it a day, but I wanted more soft.
So I was solo, billygoating an area that doesn't see hardly any traffic and would easily be missed during sweep. I ended up making a stupid mistake and just flopped over head first in a really bad spot, full of deep unconsolidated snow. Luckily I could slip the mouthpiece in and breath until I could calm down and dig myself out.
Even with a partner, this can happen to any of us.
Big plus for the avalung, TSA does not accept the gas canisters for airbag packs. Travel safe every one!
Hahaha, yeah I was confused by the 'piercing'. But yeah, I could see the pursing working in that situation too. I just recall a lot of snow, with flickering daylight whenever I came head up in the endo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
Hopefully Rog, that was the first and last one though. But maybe I'll give the pursing a go if there's a round 2. :biggrin:
Condolenses to your friends. I've got to point something out though. When debating avalanche safety, I don't know if the best arguement is telling someone they don't know as much about snow safety because they HAVEN'T been caught in a slide...Quote:
Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs
^ Condolences to your friends. 25% of North American avalanche deaths are from trauma.
hopefully yes. i most certainly wouldn't recommend getting caught in a slide, with or without the lung or a bag. could definitely be a real spirit breaker if you get beat up real bad, or die.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltbeefjunkie
rog
If you ski long enough in avy terrain, you're bound to have some personal experiences/close calls with avalanches. Look at the stats, most incidents involve expert skiers that ski bc often with at least some formal avy training.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
I wouldn't take anyone seriously that has never had any firsthand experiences themselves, preaching to me about avalanche safety.
This is the main reason I wear mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shredhead
I hope to have a couple "knotches" in my belt so I'm credible someday.
Huh? I travelled to yurp, around yurp, back from yurp (through the states), and a coupla weeks ago to vancouver with a gas cannister ABS pack. As long as you do your homework and have the right answers and documentation you can travel with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by scmace
Think anythings better than suffocating. Think the stats show that if you can breathe you will prob survive.
maybe, maybe not. on one hand it'd be nice to breathe till yer friends find ya. on the other hand, it'd suck to have all that extra time to contemplate yer fate while yer suffering from trauma or if you run out of air before help gets to you......Quote:
Originally Posted by Skibird9
rog
No the stats show that if you survive you will survive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skibird9
Do the rest of us get to vote?Quote:
Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd
Avalung pack....I'm in the market for a new pack and I will still buy a BD pack with an avalung .... for what I wear them for which is NARSID ( tree wells)not avalanches ......big issue up here in the PNW . I recently talked to a friend who fell in a tree well and being able to breath through his avalung while he figured how to get out was what prevented him from panicking and probably suffocating.
2 dropsQuote:
Originally Posted by irul&ublo
420
how far out from a trees trunk on average do tree wells pose a threat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman50
rog
About the width of your mama's ass from what I can remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
well, however you choose to measure, it would seem to me that if tree wells are potentially dangerous out there, maybe try to stay a bit farther away from them. complicated, i know:)
rog
Yeah rog, you should stay on the EC where there are no tree wells. I would support that decision.
Hard to do in tight trees with no other egress cept cliffing out or back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
I am for anything that gives one a slight advantage to stay alive and ski another day.
A far as the east coast is from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
sounds like folks that get themselves into tree well/cliff out issues should pay a bit better attention to proper route finding.
rog
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Originally Posted by icelanticskier
Sounds like preaching all-knowing avalanche experts like yourself should be to avoid getting caught in avalanches.
oh i had a pretty good feeling the slope would let go, and it did.:)
rog
but you lacked the knowledge to mitigate it, instead choosing instead to go for a ride?
Cool, sounds about right.
Back to your regularly scheduled ruining of every thread you possibly can.
I assume you have never skied a big storm cycle in the PNW. Those who have, know that the tree wells, especially at lower elevations, can be man eaters and catching a tip at the wrong time could send you into a six foot hole. However, if you ski perfectly at all times you’ll never have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by icelanticskier
to "z"
eh, i just went for it. worked out fine in the end.
you seem to not be very observant as far as the process of ruining threads go. read this page again. folks react, i react back.
your lack of obz skills is troubling.
carry on:)
rog