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Originally Posted by DaveTV
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Wrong language. Not emoticon, you need to be fluent in brickwall.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveTV
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Originally Posted by trainnvain
I'm a heretic attacking the infidels. I have a tough job and I must rest every now and then.
Pshww... ya don't have the gumption to take a heretic(al?) stance. Not you.
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Originally Posted by trainnvain
A heretic is controversial, I think i fit the bill. [/schooling]
Cool SI Article:
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ahem.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
If you're to step that low, (what are we in fourth grade here?)you should ask who's the pussy, B. Who served? Who didn't? Who was the cheerleader?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Just taking it to you on your own turf, man.
Your pacifism will get you killed. The terrorists don't think like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telekóptero
Your dickheadedness will get you killed. The laid back badass skiers don't think like you, beeotch.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Me riding in your truck this weekend will get me killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
:fuckyou: :fm:
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
hahahaha, you mean, you don't think Texans know how to drive on snow? hogwash!!
Not just that, but I've ridden with you and it's a miracle you still have your license.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lone Star
if you hadn't noticed during peak vacation times in Summit County, the standards in TX aren't exactly high!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
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Originally Posted by Lone Star
Shit, we were on dry roads. About a month and a half ago, remember? Maybe you were just really drunk that morning.... :fmicon:
Interesting story of pacifism not getting people killed:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
After the facist government in Spain fell, all of the administrations until the previous one took a policy of appeasement, neutrality, and pacifism. They had few problems with terrorism. Then the previous administration gets elected and sides with the U.S. on it's war against Iraq, and takes a hardline stance on terrorism. Al Qaeda bombs busses killing hundreds. The Spaniards vote in a new government body that returns to its previous passive position on terrorism.
I don't think the terrorists will stop attacking the US, but that just goes to show you that pacifism can actually keep you safe. Some people say that the best way to stay safe is to not make any enemies.
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Originally Posted by FNG
Terrorism=control through fear. It's obviously working on you.
Obviously.
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Originally Posted by Telekoptero
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
interesting. no relevant response to directly address the questions. [/schooling]
Do I have to play your childish game and answer the questions you already have? Realize he served 30 years ago. I know you and the rest of the left enjoy rolling around on this subject, but give me a break. Here's what your "hero" did in Vietnam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telekóptero
Taking a look at Mr. Kerry's much-promoted Vietnam service, his military record was, indeed, remarkable in many ways. Last week, the former assistant secretary of defense and Fletcher School of Diplomacy professor, W. Scott Thompson, recalled a conversation with the late Admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. that clearly had a slightly different take on Mr. Kerry's recollection of their discussions:
"[T]he fabled and distinguished chief of naval operations, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, told me — 30 years ago when he was still CNO —that during his own command of U.S. naval forces in Vietnam, just prior to his anointment as CNO, young Kerry had created great problems for him and the other top brass, by killing so many non-combatant civilians and going after other non-military targets. 'We had virtually to straitjacket him to keep him under control,' the admiral said. 'Bud' Zumwalt got it right when he assessed Kerry as having large ambitions — but promised that his career in Vietnam would haunt him if he were ever on the national stage." And this statement was made despite the fact Zumwalt had personally pinned a Silver Star on Mr. Kerry.
Mr. Kerry was assigned to Swiftboat 44 on December 1, 1968. Within 24 hours, he had his first Purple Heart. Mr. Kerry accumulated three Purple Hearts in four months with not even a day of duty lost from wounds, according to his training officer. It's a pity one cannot read his Purple Heart medical treatment reports which have been withheld from the public. The only person preventing their release is Mr. Kerry.
By his own admission during those four months, Mr. Kerry continually kept ramming his Swiftboat onto an enemy-held shore on assorted occasions alone and with a few men, killing civilians and even a wounded enemy soldier. One can begin to appreciate Zumwalt's problem with Mr. Kerry as commander of an unarmored craft dependent upon speed of maneuver to keep it and its crew from being shot to pieces.
Mr. Kerry now refers to those civilian deaths as "accidents of war. "And within four days of his third Purple Heart, Mr. Kerry applied to take advantage of a technicality which allowed him to request immediate transfer to a stateside post.
Being a cheerleader is much more admiral then what Kerry did.
You need to learn what side of the fence you're on A, in my book he's a total pussy.[/schooling]
While in command of Swift Boat 44, Kerry and crew operated without prudence in a Free Fire Zone, carelessly firing at targets of opportunity racking up a number of enemy kills and some civilians. His body count included-- a woman, her baby, a 12 year-old boy, an elderly man and several South Vietnamese soldiers.
"It is one of those terrible things, and I'll never forget, ever, the sight of that child," Kerry later said about the dead baby. "But there was nothing that anybody could have done about it. It was the only instance of that happening.
Kerry said he was appalled that the Navy's ''free fire zone'' policy in Vietnam put civilians at such high risk.
After this, the fucker comes back and writes a book, with this picture on the cover....a bunch of scumbags mocking the famous imo jima picture with an upside down American flag....Future president of the USA? What a disgrace....
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http://25thaviation.org/johnkerry/06afc520.jpg
FNG, I wasn't clear. what I was saying is that in the Duelfer report, if it was read in completion. Not the NYTimes skimming. repeatedly stated that Saddam had the capability to have a CW program up in running within weeks of inspectors/sanctions leaving and lifted. It was no secret that Saddam wanted to dominate the Middle Eastern oil reserves. In his mind he was the next Saladdin.
LONG LIVE OIL
Thu Oct 14,12:05 AM ET
By William F. Buckley Jr.
Teresa Heinz Kerry's reference to "greed for oil" can be passed over, and is being passed over, as routine political hyperbole. But maybe the time has come to examine the words and their meaning. This is so because "oil" is widely used as the great engine of human avarice. In years -- and centuries -- gone by, the devil word was "gold." It was gold that brought out the reserves of evil in men. It ranked with and even exceeded love and sex. Oil could not, of course, go through hobgoblinization until its uses were discovered. But now it is used as the commonplace agent of evil.
William F. Buckley
What needs to be said about oil is that it IS worth fighting for. We would all agree that air and water are necessities. Without them life instantly ends. Without oil, life does not end, but life radically changes.
If one contemplates oil as simply an agent of energy, the idea becomes instantly clearer. Every advance by mankind against the material duress of life is most easily expressed in terms of energy spared. Electrical power is generated in part by coal, by running water and by nuclear energy. But much of it is created by oil and gas. What is it that a people are willing to fight for? The security of home and hearth come first, and that is achieved mostly by weaponry; but weapons that seek to have their effects beyond the range of a cartridge of gunpowder do so, on battleships and airplanes, by the propellant force of oil.
If you are willing to die in order to protect your local hospital, then you must be willing to die for oil, because without electricity, your hospital won't take you beyond a surgeon's scalpel, and a surgeon is helpless without illumination, which is provided (in many places) by oil.
To say that we must not fight for oil is utter cant. To fight for oil is to fight in order to maintain such sovereignty as we exercise over the natural world. Socialism plus electricity, Lenin said at the outset of the Soviet revolution, would usher in the ideal state. He was wrong about socialism but not about electricity. Electricity gives us whatever leverage we have over nature.
To flit on airily about an unwillingness to fight for oil suggests an indifference to the alleviation of poverty at the next level after bread and water. Throw in, perhaps, the wheel. That too is an indispensable scaffolding of human power over nature. But then comes all the power not generated by the muscles of human beings and beasts of burden.
Oddly, those who speak so lightly about oil are often the most reluctant to explore seriously alternatives to it. In the history of discovery, only one such has materialized, which is nuclear power. Although nuclear power proceeds inconspicuously to light most of the lamps in France and promises to do as much in China, a mix of superstition and Luddism stands in the way of developing the nuclear alternative here.
Meanwhile, we must get on with oil, and the reserves of it are diminishing, and such great storehouses of oil as exist are mostly in the Middle East. The idea that our effort in Iraq (news - web sites) is motivated by lust for its oil fields is easily dispelled by asking who is today profiting from such oil as is being produced in Iraq? The answer is: the Iraqis. The great need now is for increased security forces deployed to protect the oil from the nihilists and from those who reduce any consideration of oil to politics. What is achieved, that any sober judgment will approve of, by the destruction of oil fields, the kind of thing that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) tried to do in Kuwait in 1991?
It's unlikely, given the spook that now attaches to the mere mention of oil, that the presidential candidates will say wholesome things on the subject. But it would bring fresh air to international discourse if we heard from either or both that oil is a great natural bounty, and that we must encourage its production, guard against its despoliation, and honorably defend it as worth a total national commitment
Control through fear = the Bush administration. Again, obviously working on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
Nah, I'm just a realist that has the common sense to know if you have a problem, you've got to take care of it, or it will come back and bite you. You and others seem to think, "it'll just go away if we ignore it". Get real.Quote:
Originally Posted by watersnowdirt
G'head and "take care of it," Brett -- enlist. Happy trails, thailor!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
did that a long time ago, your turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
-edit- nevermind, found it.
Fun oil fact: the U.S. gets 60% of it's oil from Canada. We get less than %20 from the middle east. The middle east's role in our oil policy is soley to keep the market supplied with enough oil to keep the prices low.
Brett, kudos to you and thanks for your service. and it explains a lot.
I'd probably be in Iraq or Afghanistan right now had I passed the physical.
Where'd you get that info?Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
Google tells me this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 13
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Dear Yahoo!:
What's the current breakdown on where the U.S. oil supply comes from? Do we really get 60% of our oil from Canada?
Gas Guzzler
Valparaiso, Indiana
Dear Guzzler:
Thanks to the exhaustive work of our Yahoo! Full Coverage news surfers, we were able to strike oil in no time.
We drilled down the Full Coverage category for Oil and Gas and quickly located this May 2003 chart from the American Petroleum Institute web site. The top five crude oil imports from foreign countries to the U.S. for May breaks down as follows:
17.8% from Saudi Arabia
16.5% from Canada
12.8% from Venezuela
12.0% from Mexico
7.5% from Nigeria
From January to May of 2003, the U.S. received 42.8% of its imported oil from OPEC nations and 23.5% from Persian Gulf countries. During that timeframe, Canada was the top exporter to the U.S., supplying 16.9% of our oil. And while that is a substantial percentage (and one surprising to many folks), it's not quite the 60% you mentioned.
I read it over the summer in a poli-sci text book. Can't remember which one though. Apparently I, or the book, was wrong. Nice find playharder.
Just read the "Key Findings" section of the Duelfer report. The full report is like 1,000 pages. A very interesting report. Ya'll should read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
What the report did say is that Saddam could have a chemical weapons program up in 3-6 months.
"ISG judges, based on availible chemicals, infrastructure, and scientist debriefings, that Iraq at OIF probably had a capability to produce large quantities of sulfur mustard withing three to six months."
"A former nerve agent expert indicated that Iraq retained the capability to produce nerve agent in significant quantities within two years, given the import of required phosphorous precursors. However, we have no credible indications that Iraq acquired or attempted to acquire large quantities of these chemicals through its existing procurement networks for sanctioned items."
What I noticed reading the report was the repeated mention that Saddam's top priority was to either get the UN sanctions lifted or to circumvent them. Then when his economy had recovered, he would then attempt to produce significant amounts of chemical weapons. However, Iraq's industry was crippled with UN sanctions in place, making the development of significant amounts of chemical weapons nearly impossible. The UN, surely under pressure from the US, was in no hurry to lift the sanctions on Iraq.
Duelfer Report Link
Being that Calgary is the heart of the Canadian oilpatch, I knew we were one of the top 3 suppliers, but behind Saudi Arabia for sure. Funny when talking about continental oil supplies, not many realize that the oilsands in N. Alberta possess reserves that are second only to Saudi Arabia in the world - enough to power the NA economy for a long, long time. Unfortunately, producing Middle East reserves involve opening a valve and letting the oil flow while most NA reserves require some form of artificial lift to get it to surface.Quote:
Apparently I, or the book, was wrong. Nice find playharder.
So really, you're assessment of Middle East reserves being important to keep prices down is right on. We (Canada, USA & Mexico) have lots of oil & gas, it's just more expensive to get out of the ground (plus we have those pesky enviromental regulations that require us to keep it clean).
Quick question for Blurred:
Do you realize that our infant mortality and under 5 year mortality rates are about 2-3% higher than other large developed nations (UK, Germany, Japan, Canada, France, Spain, Italy) and more than 4% higher than Sweeden? If we could cut infant mortality by 2% that would save something like 8000 infants lives per year. If George Bush was really about a "culture of life," don't you think that some of that $200 billion for Iraq could have gone into our public health infrastructure? Or do the lives lost to terrorist attacks somehow count 10x as much as a baby who dies b/c his mother couldn't afford to stay in the hospital more than one day after giving birth?
No, I don't neccessarily agree with this whole "culture of life" bullshit. (yes, I do disagree with Bush on some things)Quote:
Originally Posted by shamrockpow
You're talking to the wrong guy. I'm neither pro-life or pro-choice. I'm pro abortion. Overpopulation is our biggest problem if you ask me.
Do I think we should spend money to promote making the gene pool weaker? No, like you pointed out, look at the UK, Germany, Japan, Canada, France, Spain, Italy.......
It's called accountability. If you want socialism, move elsewhere.
Don't ask me to feel sorry for some woman that can't afford to be in the hospital. She has no business having a baby, let alone bringing the kid into poverty, and then sucking off of the rest of us that work and having us support her and her kid with welfare and food stamps. The kid prolly then has a 50/50 chance of becoming a criminal since that is usually spawned out of hopelessness and poverty.
What you just proposed to me was the firestarter for so many fucking problems I don't even have the time to cover them all.
I am fully aware of this. However the countries with the proven oil reserves are in Saddam's former neighborhood and he could have embarassed any one(Iran notably excepted) of them in a war. If you think the $55 is expensive. A Saddam initiated war against the Arabian peninsula would have been astronomical.Quote:
Originally Posted by FNG
Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2003
2002
rank Country 2003 proved reserves
(billion barrels)
1. Saudi Arabia 261.7
2. Iraq 115.0
3. Iran 100.1
4. Kuwait 98.9
5. United Arab Emirates 63.0
6. Russia 58.8
7. Venezuela 53.1
8. Nigeria 32.0
9. Libya 30.0
10. China 23.7
The above stat is what Mr. Buckley is referring to.
Oh, and surprisingly France is once again coming to Yassir Arafat's aid. some jokes just write themselves.
I ride the bus, use a blanket more than the heater, and keep my electric bill low. I couldn't give a fuck less about gas prices. It's still way cheaper here than it is in Europe or Canada.
I'm not talking about the mother, I'm talking about the child. Issues of socialism, accountability, etc are kind of irrelevant if you're talking about a child who was born 20 hours ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
"Jeez kid, we'd love to make sure you're breathing right and all that, but you gotta start to take responsibility for your actions sometime and that time is now." - if you can't see what's fucking wrong with your statement then you're beyond hopeless.
yep,, here in the usa we just come to the aid of central and south american fascists, the family of the shah of iran, philipino dictators and the like.. a HUGE difference :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
Oh, please. I was stating that you'd never have that problem if people were responsible. As far as the kid goes, that scenario never happens in my state, because in need of emergency care, it's illegal to refuse it.Quote:
Originally Posted by shamrockpow
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Originally Posted by BlurredElevens
blurred, your alias is showing, zip up your fly.
Or more recently, the Contras (thank Ollie), Saddam (thank Rummy), and Usama hisself (CIA by ISID proxy).Quote:
Originally Posted by up an down
mr_g,
Arafat staying alive is a "good" thing, and I use that term loosely, because he is a former terrorist who appears to have softened his stance a bit. I'm sure there are some serious hard-liners in the PLO waiting in the wings or making moves right now to replace him during his "medical exile." In his absence things could get waaaaay dicey if a power struggle breaks out.
Thanks angry basom....isn't this fun? :yourock:Quote:
Originally Posted by basom
i'm not angry, i'm happy in my thinking that this thread is a piece of shit.