Thanks DanoT! Great info. It sucks the Utah resorts aren't more kind to the rv crowd.
Thanks DanoT! Great info. It sucks the Utah resorts aren't more kind to the rv crowd.
Hey sorry to revive an older thread but I'm interested if anyone has any follow-up on this? What does it mean for those of us who seek to live in the parking lots? I also saw reference to this somewhere else, but I'm sorry that I can't remember where it was. . Maybe it just means all the resorts will start doing what Kwood does... charging $$ to sleep in the parking lot. Could be worse, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw
Many municipalities where ski areas are located prohibit camping within town limits (even Walmarts). The proposed legislation would have no effect on that, in fact, it doesn't even remotely have anything to do with it.
Not sure what you're getting at. I think the proposed legislation concerns federal forest land and public access to it. I'm not sure that municipalities would even factor into the conversation, at least if the resort is actually situated in a national forest. It'd probably be better if someone could dig up a link to some real information about this so we're not just making random guesses.
From my read of the legislation, the purpose is to Allow ski areas to expand their permit from winter only use.
Add the Zip Lines and Bike Parks. So yes, they would open their RV lots in the Summer then.
Current Status, per govtrack, is Out of Committee, awaiting further action. Along with hundreds of other Bills.
But since the Republicans will be declaring Federal Bankruptcy this week, does it matter?
"Last Action:
Jul 14, 2011: Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. Ordered to be reported without amendment favorably.
Status: This bill was considered in committee which has recommended it be considered by the Senate as a whole. Explanation: Although it has been placed on a calendar of business, the order in which legislation is considered and voted on is determined by the majority party leadership. Keep in mind that sometimes the text of one bill is incorporated into another bill, and in those cases the original bill, as it would appear here, would seem to be abandoned. [Last Updated: Jul 15, 2011 6:20AM]"
Hi guys,
A group of us are planning on living in an RV within Revelstoke over winter. Does anyone know of areas where we can park up for free?
From what I understand there are by-laws against it but how heavily is it enforced? Also we don't want to annoy locals by parking where we shouldn't.
Any help or advice would be great.
Mammoth has tons of camping out of town on the 395, but they seem to get on people about camping in town. There is a campground in town with hookups through the winter, but it likely costs $30 or so I'd guess. I've only tent camped.
Jay Peak is pretty easy to car camp around, but I don't know if an RV would raise suspicions. I've slept in a car around Montgomery Center a few times at least.
Pulled into the KWood to see about this exact issue and got only a printout from the website:
Seems pretty clear. Then this follows:Quote:
Kirkwood welcomes self contained RV guests during the winter and summer months. Overnight parking is available in the Middle 7 Parking Lot at Timber Creek (see valley map), space permitting. Please note that RV's and over-sized camper trucks are only permitted in the Middle 7 Lot due to size restrictions in other parking areas at the resort. RV's and over-sized camper trucks seen parking in other resort lots will be asked to relocate. You must be self contained as there are no hook ups available, Kirkwood does not provide power, water or septic.
Kirkwood Rules in the RV parking area will be strictly enforced:
Self Contained RV’s Only (no tent camping)
No Campfires
No Dumping
Gas-Only Grilling
Must Display Paid Registration
No Off-Road Vehicles or ATV’s allowed
Pets Must be Leashed
Recreation Vehicles "RV’s" are classed by chassis type and body and defined as follows: Class "A" and Class "C" RVs, and 5th wheels or trailers of any kind (towed behind another vehicle or hitch in back of the truck). Fees & Restricted Dates
$25 per night
4 Night Maximum Stay
Winter Restrictions
o Sunday thru Thursday Only
o Non-Holiday
o Special Non-Restricted Weekends will be Posted (check weekly)
Fifty percent of all parking fees and RV pass sales will be donated to the National Forest Foundation to be used for local conservation projects in the Eldorado National Forest. Kirkwood is a proud sponsor of the National Forest Foundation helping to create a positive impact on the local recreational experience for many years.
I need this translated into English. It appears one can buy a season pass for RV parking, but stay no more than 4 days at a stretch. Is that the idea? Also: I have a Class B RV, so - does that mean none of this applies?Quote:
Winter Restrictions
During the winter season, overnight parking is limited to Sunday through Friday, non-holiday, as well as select weekends - space permitting. Non-restricted weekends will be posted weekly. An RV season pass also is available during the winter for just $199. Restrictions apply. Please contact the Season Pass office at 209.258.7277 for further information.
For questions about Kirkwood RV Parking please contact the Lodging office at 209.258.7293.
Befuddled in Tahoe
Actually its very clear,but the enforcement is NOT.Quote:
Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw
If you have a class B,go into the office and get in writing that the weekend restrictions do not apply to you while you still have the leverage of cash in hand before you pay for the season pass/parking pass
Is a Chinook really class B? I thought class B was basically a van conversion? Are you making that call based on having no over-driver bed? Or is there some set of specs somewhere that lay out the rules for which is which?Quote:
Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw
Revelstoke (RMR) allows overnight RV parking with no hook ups at the back of the main parking lot but I doubt they would allow a winter long stay. I think there is a campground near Revelstoke that stays open for the winter and might have a monthly rate. Most RVs are not set up with plumbing that functions in a Canadian winter so your biggest problem might not be finding a place to park, it might be finding a place to shower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasonnz
Michigan
Mt Bohemia
Unfortunately we do not permit overnight Rv/camping. There are regulations and laws permitting us from allowing customers to do such, sorry for the inconvenience; although there are great options for that in the area, feel free to call us if you need any recommendations.
CO
Wolf Creek
Yes, Wolf Creek allows overnight parking for RV's. You'll need to talk to a parking attendant and let them know you are planning on parking overnight. The parking attendant will instruct you on where to park and give you any further instructions.
Wolf Creek Ski Area
From the RMR website:Quote:
Originally Posted by DanoT
Quote:
RV Parks and CampingThe City of Revelstoke has notified Resort staff that in accordance to the City's Zoning Bylaw Number 1264, camping is not permitted at the Resort.
Revelstoke Mountain Resort would like to thank you for your patronage and we will be requesting an amendment to the bylaw to allow for future camping opportunities for Resort guests.
There are a number of campgrounds in and around Revelstoke that welcome winter campers.
•Smokey Bear Campground (West on HWY 1)
•Canada West Campground (West on HWY 1)
•KOA Campground, Revelstoke (East on HWY 1)
The KOA Campground also has a sanitary dumping station that is pay per use.
Never the less I stayed two nights in my truck camper in the parking lot at RMR this past winter (and one night this summer) and there were other RVs and a sign telling RVs where to park.Quote:
Originally Posted by JD May
Question for those that know some stuff about campers and trucks. Thinking of buying a Dodge Dakota, either a quad cab (prefered) or a crew cab. And then a camper, smallest one I can find. But the more I think about it the more I think that a Dakota can't haul a camper, even with an airbag system on the truck. what do you guys think? Maybe I'll just need to step up to a bigger truck..
I've heard it referred as a B+, for whatever that is worth. It is a 21' van chassis conversion.Quote:
Originally Posted by udp88
Big White BC we parked in the overflow and no problemos.
I don't know the weight capacity of a Dakota but lots of guys with Tacomas go with aluminum framed pop-up truck campers. Google Wander the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by RIPITUP84
Thanks DanoT, that removes a lot of our worries and opens up our options. I will give a quick brief of what else we have found out in case other people are thinking about doing the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanoT
If we go for the staying in the RMR car park for say 3-4 nights a week we will get an aquatic centre pass for $135 so we are able to fill in the nights and also have access to showers.
If it doesn’t work out and RMR do kick up a fuss we have found out that KOA Camping ground offers monthly rates of $550 + HST. They said we can buy two months worth of nights and spread it out over 4 months. Doing it that way we aren’t paying for time not spent there and have access to showers when we are back in town.
Wondering if anyone has stayed at Sunshine Villages parking lot? Are they cool overnight campers? And where? Or anywhere else near Banff/SV/LL?
So I ended up gettgin an F-150 with airbags in the back so weight isn't an issue anymore. Going to get a heated camper now.
I bumped into the guy who runs the parking operations at Alpine Meadows this weekend and asked him if there's an official policy. Officially, you can't park overnight in the AM parking lots in an RV. Unofficially, just ask nicely when it isn't too busy, and they'll probably accommodate you. Also, there's also the option of using the parking lots down by the transportation center (bottom of the access road near 89). The parking supervisor has actually suggested putting hook-ups in there, but don't expect that to happen any time soon.
Bottom line: don't expect to spend extended amounts of time in AM's parking areas, but if you're polite and ask first, they'll probably let you hang out as long as it doesn't interfere with other stuff.
If you're going to be at AM and want an introduction to the guy who runs the parking, feel free to track me down and if I'm around, I'll be happy to introduce a maggot.
Because this thread needs to be kept alive as it is SO valuable to those of us who are traveling.
Note these are my experience, and not necessarily the official word. In many cases, perhaps I was only left alone because it was so dead, plus I'm just one person so no noise, and no generator noise.
BC:
Manning: Yes, right by the base (website lists season pass cost only)
Apex: Yes, in the main lots.
Big White: Yes (per a lifty's word... lot at Gem Lake, which saves 10km of driving each way, was DEAD and almost certainly a candidate).
SilverStar: Sign says no RVs allowed, but no-one bothered me (it was dead though, and there were other cars parked there overnight)
Note:
Crystal and Stevens in WA are pay only. Stevens is a real good location, $30 with power. Crystal... some of them are close, others are bit of a hike (particularly the powered ones). $20 no power, $30 with (paid to US forest service, not the resort). Must behave in Crystal as host said the program was on probation.
Is Overnight parking allowed at:
Durango DMR?
Crested Butte?
Telluride might be a challenge. there is free skier parking but no overnight parking. Tips?
Sun Peaks: Overnighting allowed in P4
Revelstoke: despite what the website says, signs in the parking lot direct overnighters (must be self contained) to register with the lodge.
For telluride see somewhat nearby Ridgway SP CG open year round
I have parked overnight in the Happy Valley gondola parking lot without incident. This lot is massive and I have seen several snow covered RVs parked for long periods toward the lot's outer reaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by frEEk
Taos allows overnight parking no fee no hookups. sweet. that could be awesome.
Monarch Mtn doesnt have overnight parking however nearby Salida may have year round CGs. Not a bad plan.
Well since I havent really met a maggot that hasnt been a stand up person Ill throw this one out there. Maggots that contribute useful info and/or stoke can sleep either in my driveway or on my floor for a night or two in the town of Jackson.
Kicking Horse, BC: free parking across from P1 (in the helipad lot). And, if you can believe it, free shore power. Just 2 outlets, and just 15amps... but free camping and shore power about 2 minutes walk from the lifts. Holy crap! Just register in the daylodge.
Previously I had heard that KMR didn't allow overnight camping. However they were purchased by Resorts of the Canadian Rockies so new ownership likely means new policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by frEEk
Getting Ready to do a month trip with 26ft self container RV.. Any isight or parkign tips at
Banff Area
Whitefish
Castle
Jackson Hole
Big Sky
Sun Valley
Alta-Snowbird
Park City
Alberta
Lake Louise: no parking at ski hill, but overnight parking available in town (so I was told by some traffic directing kids, and no-one bugged me at the nice little cross country trail head lot by the Station). Also has a nice RV park open in winter (dump open year round, but no water).
Marmot Basin (Jasper): no parking in lots, but there is a great little lot at a 5 Lakes trailhead some 2km south of the turnoff from the Icefields Parkway, with minimal traffic to bother you. I think one of the RV parks just south of Jasper may be open in winter too.
Sunshine Village: no parking in lots. Not too hard to find park lots within 20km that you probably won't be bothered in (just make sure you have your park permit).
topher0411, sounds like we are almost going to be in lockstep. I'm in a 26ft unit too, just finished the above (at Panorama now) and heading south to hit most of what you mention (thought havent heard of Castle and may skip Sun Valley due to time contraints and some negative opinions and it being a ways out of my path).
I do it solo in a Subaru Outback with blacked-out windows, so I can camp out basically anywhere. With night pees into gatorade bottles, I don't even have to set foot on ground & leave any tracks. I've gotten pretty creative over the years :D
Some observations:
WA is the place to do it!:
Crystal, Stevens & Alpental all have camper lots. As mentioned above, Crystal & Stevens have hosts & hook-ups for $$, not sure about Alpy. Baker had campers in the lot but I was warned that they plow at 4:30 am so I stayed down in Glacier, west of Chair 9 in a lot that I was told to be "pretty chill". I woke up snowed in by 24" of snow, so that was cool, and blasting out onto 542 was pretty gnar too - faceshots for the Subie!
I saw a Snopark east of Greenwater on the way Crystal that could be a good candidate for free. I was also told that parking in the non-RV lots at Stevens was semi-accepted for those who don't need hookups. I've camped in the lot west of Leavenworth Mtn Sports when I needed some town time. Didn't like that shop anyway. East end of Sultan has a gas station zone that looked chill too. Alpy lot seems relatively unpatrolled.
BC knowledge is limited:
There is a USFS camping(? maybe picnic) area on the Columbia south of the Rossland border. They keep the crapper open in the winter. Once at Red, the policy was to give $5 to the bartender if you were going to camp in the lower lot. That was back before the new swankiness though...
MT is cold:
Whitefish seems tricky, so I just crash at the town lumberyard. I'm always looking for places that aren't doing business in the winter. Gotta be stealthy there, but I can only handle 1 day on the Big Mtn catwalks so I'm usually just passing through.
For those going to Lost Trail, the town of Darby is really sleepy & there are a lot of out-of-business places on the south side of town. On the Idaho side there are multiple river access lots that allow camping. I like the Lemhi Hole lot when I stay in Salmon.
Everyone should make a visit to Ski Discovery... never slept in the lot but I'd assume it to be fine. I have done the Phillipsburg self-storage twice because I couldn't make it all the way to the hill.
Big Sky & Moonlight weren't easy. I ninja'd in a condo lot (with electric plugs - sweet!) I'd imagine the "town" of Big Sky has some spots.
Need to go to Bridger still...
WY, errr, Jackson:
No clue here... I've got friends to stay with but most big lots have "no overnighting" signs. One time I did do the Super8 lot which was plenty shady. I've seen RVs at the Albertsons too...
CO:
Vail/Beav it's the WalMart lot in Avon. Don't know why anyone would stop here on a road trip though.
At Crested Butte I've heard its chill to camp at the Gothic trailhead past the mountain. Lots of quiet streets to park on in town.
Aspen? Telluride? I'd probably just go streetside.
UT sucks:
It's so urban that I've had a hard time in SLC. I usually result to motel parking lots like the "Extended Stay America". Better go back in this thread to educate myself.
I know its not a great RV list, but maybe helpful for other Subie/SUV/Truck ninja campers. I love the storm chasing life!
Goatski, certainly agree car mode is gonna be way easier. Realistically you should be able to park pretty much anywhere, especially if it is stealthy from the outside (ie. no obvious black plastic blocking windshield). A 26' RV does make things a fair bit more difficult, but honestly I've only had someone knock on my door once so far, and that was cause i was parked in the wrong lot (and the guy was just letting me know for the next night anyway). I would say alot of places that say not allowed you will generally get away with, especially if they are out of the way and quiet. I've parked in a couple resorts that claimed no camping but no-one cared, and there were clearly cars there for more than a night also. Also done a couple park day use lots that claimed no camping, but wasn't bothered. I suspect it depends alot of whether they need to plow or not. If it dumps and they come out to clear while you are there, you may be pissin someone off. Ideally, get in late (say 9) and get up at 5 to be ready if a plow does come around, you can move. Plus, much as I generally hate this attitude, it is a real case of permission vs forgiveness. In this case, it isn't like you are hurting anything or costing anyone, so I don't see the harm. Just remember: they're probably more scared of you ;)
BC
Panorama: OK in lower lot (bottom of gondola). Nicely isolated so even generator usage should be fine, but short walk to gondola.
Kimberly: OK for short stays, but sounds like it depends on you being good about it.
BC
Fernie: like Sparwood Dave already said, no go here. Worth asking the parkies or GR in case they're in a good mood and conditions are just right though. Otherwise I read the town has official overnight parking Must be a way to sublet some of the seaon-pass RV spots...