Mt Bohemia frigin rules

cant make it this weekend wish i could. sounds like the up is getting lots of snow

hey justcuz what exactly are they pissing away with their money .
it looks like a pretty low key place

i agree they dont get it. they should offer multi day passes im frustrated having to pay $45 every day . they are the only ski area i know that does this

i like the terrain though it was fun but im still shocked at the advertising
most ski areas talk about skiing and about what they have to offer
Mount Bohemia seems to make fun of people and things which seems kind of juevenile to me

i think it is a great hill but the marketing needs to grow up

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Originally Posted by 183GotamasA/T

Realize that 95% of snowriders in the midwest would actually consider this extreme backcountry.

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92.83% of printed statistics are fictional. :nonono2:

Its kind of a far drive from MPLS dont you think, for what you get?

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Originally Posted by TRAPPED

Its kind of a far drive from MPLS dont you think, for what you get?

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trust me, it could be well worth it if you time it right. get a cabin, only $110 a night, and hopefully some fresh.

Going to be here again this coming saturday hopefully. anyone else?

Bohemia looks cool, especially for a midwest resort. I'd ski there except I cannot fathom a reason I'd end up on the upper upper upper peninsula with a pair of skis.

Their advertising is hilariously refreshing (coming from someone who is constantly bombarded every day by Intrawest/Vail Resorts/Etc marketing)

I like Lonnie's style... hopefully he doesn't put himself out of business. I like the style of mountain he runs as described by his detractor above.

I bet that detractor would want Aaron Brill to groom Silverton to "grow the industry" ;)

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Originally Posted by naedward81

trust me, it could be well worth it if you time it right. get a cabin, only $110 a night, and hopefully some fresh.

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Trapped, naedward81 is right...it's worth the commute, if you can time it right. Someone posted the link to JohnDee.com, so take a look at that and try to time it for a storm, and you could probably plunder some LES (that's hip weatherman slang from "lake effect snow").

Also, Bohemia is doing a great job keeping their website up-to-date on snow fall, so check that out too...www.mtbohemia.com. If they get some decent snowfall, you can still get freshies a few days after if you are willing to work.

So yah, it's worth the drive...plus spending a weekend in the UP is kind of like spending a day on Mars...

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Originally Posted by fonixmunkee

So yah, it's worth the drive...plus spending a weekend in the UP is kind of like spending a day on Mars...

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Yea the place is over-populated with Martians, like this guy~~~~~>http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/i...ine=1172969202

anybody know what that hut like thing with no door is at the near the top between the bear runs in the woods? i remember hearing about an old mine that was found the first winter and couldn't think of anything else besides Lonnies secrete smokey love shaq

oh i'll be up sunday morning so somebody keep the LES machince turned on if you don't mind

Gee - all you guys bitching about Lonnie and Bohemia should get together, pool your rescources and start up a place and kick Lonnie's/Bohemia's ass outta the business! :rolleyes2 That should be pretty easy to do, especially for a bunch or really smart fellows such as yourselves.

Either that or STFU.

In the meantime you should protest Lonnie/Bohemia by not skiing there. That'd be cool. Too many gapers there as it is.



Johndee.com tends to overestimate potential snowfall, to put it lightly. The best day I've ever had up there johndee predicted 4" and the NWS predicted 3". They got 15" in about 9 hours. You can't accurately predict massive lake effect.

When I skied Bohemia back in 2000, I thought they'd never make it past 2001. Shows you what a complete moron I am. Bohemia rules. Lonnie's doing a great job IMO.

I predict they will pick up 4" late Wed/ early Thursday. Saturday they will get a freak LE squall which will dump 14" by Sunday morning. Sadly, none of the Lonniehaterz will be taking advantage of the great snow because of the Protest. The Farmer's Almanac predicts weather several months in advance, but I don't put much stock in it. I'm not saying johndee.com sucks, I'm just saying that accurately predicting LAS is very hit or miss.

Hey - I'm with ya. Like I said - I thought the place would tank back in 2000. They're still going, so that tells me that Lonnie must know something I don't or else he's just incredibly fortunate. Either way, that doesn't affect my decision to ski there in the least. When I was there New Years Day some idiot was complaining to Lonnie that there were no lockers for him and his family to store thier gear. If I were Lonnie I would have told the guy to write his grievances out on paper and shove them up his ass, but than again I don't run a ski hill. Once again, Lonnie must know something I don't.
Missmanaged or not, I'll be there as long as the lifts are spinning. Or after they've stopped (due to missmanagement) for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Missmanaged or not, I'll be there as long as the lifts are spinning. Or after they've stopped (due to missmanagement) for that matter.

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Hell yea! With the base firm now, it should be great after the next dump!

yesterday it took a little work but lots of good snow was still out there, but you can't find it following other people tracks

I'll be in residence slopeside in a yurt Thursday through Sunday -- Grey helmet, orange shell, & teles.

Drop a nickel.

I may have blown today's forcast, but it looks like I'm dead-on for this weekend.

Hey Gnu - red jacket, long hair and beard on ARV's w/ Alta stickers. Unless it's brutally cold out - then big black parka.

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I may have blown today's forcast, but it looks like I'm dead-on for this weekend.

Hey Gnu - red jacket, long hair and beard on ARV's w/ Alta stickers. Unless it's brutally cold out - then big black parka.

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There going to be anything worth traveling for this weekend?

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Originally Posted by Yukonrider

There going to be anything worth traveling for this weekend?

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Maybe. But you won't know if you don't go.

Lonnie's having some kinda lengerie party and telefest, but who cares about that? I'm bringing guns and fireworks in case it doesn't snow.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Maybe. But you won't know if you don't go.

Lonnie's having some kinda lengerie party and telefest, but who cares about that? I'm bringing guns and fireworks in case it doesn't snow.

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guns and fireworks are always a good time, or winter carnaval at tech.

Me and a friend might drive up from Marquette if it looks like there is anything good up there.

Bureau mulls Mount Bohemia cash request

By JANE NORDBERG, DMG Writer

CALUMET — Board members of the Keweenaw Convention & Visitors Bureau are weighing a funding request from Mt. Bohemia President Lonie Glieberman that may change the facility’s use.

According to Bureau President Bill Leonard, Glieberman attended the board’s Jan. 8 meeting and said due to economic reasons, he required additional funding for advertising. If the board refuses the request, Glieberman is contemplating a change at the recreation site.

“We either give him $28,000 or Mount Bohemia becomes a private ski hill,” Leonard said.

Repeated calls to Glieberman were not returned.

According to minutes from the Jan. 8 meeting, board members are to take action on the request at its next meeting at 4 p.m. Tuesday at the Keweenaw Convention & Visitors Bureau office in Calumet.

“I think it’s going to be very controversial,” Leonard said. “I really couldn’t say how the board will vote.”

Board Treasurer Dave Sprenger said the board at its last meeting considered spending the $28,000 as long as they could control the promotion, but Glieberman did not agree to those terms.

“There (are) some who feel that his marketing is leading to his financial problems, but he is unwilling to change it,” Sprenger said. “When you’re actively discouraging intermediates and beginners, you’re scaring 90 percent of your market away.”

According to a report given by Glieberman to the Keweenaw Economic Development Alliance, the target demographic audience for Mount Bohemia is men and women snowboarders and extreme skiers between the ages of 14 and 24.

During that same report, given in 2003, Glieberman said the five-year plan for Bohemia included construction of a hotel and cabins, snowcat skiing, achieving 36,000 skier visits per season, a north side chairlift, a second backcountry section, 60 ski runs, achieving a 12.5-percent return on investment and contributing $10 million to the Keweenaw economy. Neither Sprenger nor Leonard commented on Mount Bohemia’s economic impact, although both agreed Glieberman had requested Bureau funding in the past.

“It’s not the first time Lonie has come to the board wanting money,” Sprenger said.

However, he said, if the board funds the requests Tuesday, it will set a dangerous precedent.

“There’s been no other private company coming to us for money, and we’ve had plenty of businesses in worse trouble than his,” Sprenger said.

The bureau’s annual budget has hovered around $220,000 for the last few years, Leonard said. Revenue is gleaned from hotel and motel room assessments. Although only 25-30 percent of those assessments are collected in the winter, the bureau spends about 70 percent of its budget on winter tourism, largely in the form of grooming the area’s snowmobile trails, Leonard said.

If the board funds the request, he said, he does not know where the money will come from.

“The two main questions are whether we are willing to give money to a private business, and are we willing to cut our funding of snowmobiling or another season’s tourism to do that,” Leonard said.

wow what is going on up there?

i still think my coop idea would be great

what about the blow, sounds like lonie is putting all his money in coke instead of in the mountain. does he have a drug problem?

hey i will start the boycott(hopefully only for a short time cause it is a fun place ) and lets put him under and lets do a takeover so the mountain can be run by real skiers and boarders

who else will join with me? I have four buddies that were planning one more trip up there but we could head out to colorado instead

where did all the money go anyways
but on a side note where is the local support with lonnie or with the bureau
that was in the paper?
do you think most people want him and current management gone ?
can we make this happen

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Originally Posted by brizz

By JANE NORDBERG, DMG Writer

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She's pretty much the Bill O'Rielly of the UP. Anything she wrote is pretty much complete bullshit.

Where are all you ripperz? Every time I'm there all I see are a bunch of flailing gaposers. Oh yeah - you're all boycotting.

I never claimed to be anything but a flailing gaposer.

If today had been Sunday, I'd have been there. Unfortunately Sunday was miserably cold and windy and I had to work today (Monday). What a gorgeous day today would have been for skiing, though.

They just posted this on the Mt Bohemia website...

To our customers:

About a month ago we approached the Keweenaw tourism council about a co-op advertsing plan in which we would fund 75% of the campaign and they would fund 25%. This is similar to many ski markets across the country. We explained to the tourism council that since most of our customers eat and sleep off site that they are the main beneficiaries of the Mount Bohemia so it would only be fair to share and help us grow our ad budget to attract even more customers to Mount Bohemia.

We (Mount Bohemia) explained in that meeting that we had invested over one million dollars in advertising since we opened and that they had spent less than $18,000 on advertising Bohemia during that same time. They have spent over$40,000 with Mont Ripley during that same time period and they spend close to $800,000 on the snowmobile trails during this eight year time period. Some of the board members are upset with our strategy of targeting advanced skiers and riders. They attacked us in the local paper today stating that our strategy of no grooming and black diaomond terrain was a bad idea. What do you think? Should we become like every other Midwest ski resort or should we stay the way we are?

Do you spend money at restaurants, bars, and other hotels when you are in town.

Please respond and let us and them know.

We asked the tourism council to work with us not for a hand out.

Please go to the contact us form and tell us what you think.

Sounds like Lonnie is looking for ammunition to throw in the boards face when they tell him no on his advertising money.

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Originally Posted by snowchase

hey i will start the boycott

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good luck with that, i'll be in the woods. Going and asking the Keweenaw tourism council for money for an advertising campaign seems just silly. The people who love to ski that type of terrain know it's there. On a weekend pow days the lot is usually packed, it's just at the end of the earth and far far away from most major cities. Go on a weekday and there is 20 to 30 people on the whole rock. I hope it doesn't change, i love that place, but it can't survive forever as an "EXTREME" destination.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Where are all you ripperz? Every time I'm there all I see are a bunch of flailing gaposers. Oh yeah - you're all boycotting.

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We moved to real mountains. You wont see any rippers except maybe first run in the morn...then its near east, east, far east. Ask Chuck...he'll show ya.

financial debacle aside...anybody going to be up this weekend? Who wants to grab a few runs?

i'll probably be up there first thing saturday morning

I'll either be at Bohemia or hanging out in the woods. Maybe both. I dunno - I got punkt pretty bad last weekend. Sat. wasn't very great, Sunday was shut down and I was with a gaperbuddy who had to be at work on Mon., so I missed that too. Sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you. I did see a kickass hardslab avalanche on an east facing slope just south of Crystal Falls, tho. ARV's w/Alta stickers, red jacket, beard.

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Originally Posted by Jer

I'll either be at Bohemia or hanging out in the woods. Maybe both. I dunno - I got punkt pretty bad last weekend. Sat. wasn't very great, Sunday was shut down and I was with a gaperbuddy who had to be at work on Mon., so I missed that too. Sometimes you eat the bar, sometimes the bar eats you. I did see a kickass hardslab avalanche on an east facing slope just south of Crystal Falls, tho. ARV's w/Alta stickers, red jacket, beard.

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I'll watch for ya....Black/Red Scratch BC (plakespear sticker), Grey MX10, Orange Pattagucci jacket.

The tourism council spent $40,000 pimping Mont Cripply? To who? The citizens of Houghton/Handcock? 'Cause they're pretty much the only people who ski there. I've met plenty of people who've driven 10+ hours to ski Bohemia. Nobody south of Baraga even knows Mont Ripley exsists.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Jer

Where are all you ripperz? Every time I'm there all I see are a bunch of flailing gaposers.

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The rippers are there midweek. And you won't see them unless you are skiing with them.

All the beaters show up on weekends, totally sold on the EXTREME!!!1! reputation, and launch themselves off any cliff visible from the lift to hardpack.


I love Bohemia, it has a special place in my ski heart. The management (lonnie) is retarded but posting about it on the internet isn't going to do much. They definitely weren't making money off of me or my friends. We would get 40+ days on a $99 pass, bring our own sandwiches and beer, and not spend another dime at the hill.

Right now the plan is to lie low, wait for it to go under, win the lottery, and then run that place the way it should be run. I know there are others who see the wasted potential and shake their heads as well.

i have ideas that i always think about if i ran a ski area like prices based on conditions you know 2inches dump, 4 inches, 6 , 12 etc
so on the good days your getting good money but people are happy cause it is a powder day
but what ideas would you rip do if you ran bohemia

First order of business:

If you have a vagina you get to ski for free.

I might be up there Saturday... not decided yet, hows the snow?

Any mags going to be there, might have to go with a gaper friend... sucks not having a vehicle

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Originally Posted by rip

First order of business:

If you have a vagina you get to ski for free.

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What if you have, like, 12 of them? I once knew this guy from Plainfield...


Latest news: Lonnie told the tourism commitee to forget it.

I still can't believe $40,000 to promote Cripply.

Lonnie should come up with a catchy jingle. Some thing like "More of what you ski for - ski Mt. Bohemia".

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Originally Posted by rip

Right now the plan is to lie low, wait for it to go under, win the lottery, and then run that place the way it should be run.

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I'm in.:D

^^^^^^^

I believe you (to some extent - I'd like to see the actual numbers), but the question remains - $40,000 to promote it? Everyone who knows about it knows about it. Like I said, nobody south of Baraga even knows it exsists. Ripley's a townie hill. Nobody's driving any distance to ski there. I don't think anybody would bother driving all the was up to Bohemia to ski a 30' wide groomed path alongside one of the runs either. Low-intermediate tourist families like big wide gentle groomed runs. Think Granite Peak or Brule. You couldn't do that at Bohemia even if you wanted to.

It's possible both Lonnie and his detractors are throwing around a bunch of bullshit. I do know that it would be very difficult to try and turn Bohemia into some kind of destination resort for tourist families. For one, you've got geography working against you. It's way out in the middle of nowhere. It's also (comparatively) really steep. Gaper families like accessibility and wide gentle runs. And I do realise that Ripley is a big racer hill, but racing's relevant only to...well...racers.

But my real reason for posting is to give a shout out to the SCL chapter of the Hitler Jungen:

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Originally Posted by powderpig77

FUCK LONNIE LIEBERJEW.

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If Lonnie is a Jew, then shouldn't his hill be turning a huge profit every year?? After all - isn't that what Jews are good at? Making tons of money while decent Arayan folks like you are forced to live in poverty with your wife/sister and five kids in your trailer/meth lab? Then, after you've finished your shift at McDonald's, you go out and kick the shit outta some guy with twelve other skinhead losers? Here's to you getting terminal cancer real soon.

Bohemia is probably now as well exposed as it will ever be- I have a hard time believing that there are enough people looking for the bohemia-type experience in the midwest to ever turn it into a destination. Just look what happens at Cascade or any other midwest resort when they let stuff bump up or generally go ungroomed- it gets lapped by 4 or 5 folks while the rest of the users avoid it like the plague. Its the same thing with bohemia- we all buy our $99 passes, giving bohemia enough cash on hand to install another poorly thought out "improvement" and pay their employees for a few months. the money coming in from day pass sales has to be absolutely minimal- any given nonholiday weekend the number of passholders to ticketholders is probably on the order of 8:1. Advertising to out-of-towners is a business plan that has failed and will continue to fail until the Keweenaw becomes the last place with dependable snowfall in the midwest.