What happened to long radius charging skis?

I had the el Dictators which are 43m. Powder mag called them absurd. They were great for North Baldy at The Bird on pow days. I gave them away for free on this board and no one took them so I threw them in the garbage about 10 years ago. These skis don't exist anymore because newer skis are more versatile and pro skiers have evolved to flipping spinning everything and as a result ski designers changed the skis for these new pro skiers. What I do love about new skis is how easy they are to land anything. Before there was a lot of shitty skis that didn't have enough in the tails to support a big landing. Now tails are generally softer all around and somehow these skis are much better for landings. Chup, if you are buying big stiff skis but never get them to a speed they were made for, it seems like you are buying the wrong tool for job. A ski like the Hotshot would work better - 19m turning radius with metal and very damp. Does short and long turns well and they are fun on groomers.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

For whatever it's worth, if you plug the MPro108 into a ski radius calculator, it comes out at about 27.5m. Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk

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Not sure why you're plugging numbers into a calculator when SoothSki exists. They measured the M-Pro at 22.5m.
https://soothski.com/compare/?_value...=%22Compare%22

How is the calculator even calculating? Does it have inputs for taper length of the tips and tails?

Should I track down a Rossi RC112? I've never skied it. Were any of the narrower Phantom skis similar? I see there was a Phantom 108, which is ballpark the width I'm looking for.

I had the original Squads, which were a big improvement over the S7 / Super 7, but always felt a little short.

Trying to justify the HL purchase...

Seriously though, if you’re looking for a true modern charger, I’m not sure there’s a better ski out there right now than the FL105 in the big boy length.


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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Should I track down a Rossi RC112? I've never skied it. Were any of the narrower Phantom skis similar? I see there was a Phantom 108, which is ballpark the width I'm looking for. I had the original Squads, which were a big improvement over the S7 / Super 7, but always felt a little short. Trying to justify the HL purchase...

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If you decide to go the RC112 route, shoot me a PM. I have a pair I've been trying to sell for a while. They're sitting at our local gear consignment shop but so far as I know I can grab them to sell myself. Here's the TGR Gear Trade link and SkiTalk link for pictures.

That said, the HL stuff is fucking amazing. I'm skiing an R105 as my DD and it rips. I've also skied v1 of the FL105 and my recollection is it easily rivals the RC112 and in some ways is burlier than the 2011 Mantra I have for groomer zoomer days. Don't know how older Mantras slot in your personal charger ski taxonomy, but they're fairly high in mine.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Should I track down a Rossi RC112? I've never skied it. Were any of the narrower Phantom skis similar? I see there was a Phantom 108, which is ballpark the width I'm looking for.

I had the original Squads, which were a big improvement over the S7 / Super 7, but always felt a little short.

Trying to justify the HL purchase...

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Find some rc one twelves . Those things absolutely rip. I always liked them mounted +2. The phantom was an absolute garbage ski. It is stiff as fuck and has no tip rocker if that’s what you want.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Should I track down a Rossi RC112? I've never skied it. Were any of the narrower Phantom skis similar? I see there was a Phantom 108, which is ballpark the width I'm looking for.

I had the original Squads, which were a big improvement over the S7 / Super 7, but always felt a little short.

Trying to justify the HL purchase...

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There is a 192cm 19/20 Legend Pro in the HL Outlet for $175. No idea if that is chargey enough for what you are after.

https://heritagelabskis.com/products...44503961043132

188 R99 Comps there too as well as 194cm FL113s…..

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Originally Posted by altacoup

Find some rc one twelves . Those things absolutely rip. I always liked them mounted +2. The phantom was an absolute garbage ski. It is stiff as fuck and has no tip rocker if that’s what you want.

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Never skied them but I was about to post that they’re fully cambered I-beams. Lol’d when I hand flexed them a few years back.

And very traditional. Flat old school tail and like a -14.5 mount point

Tried to give away my xxls in the euro thread for a beer and no takers. Was going to drop them at the local thrift shop, but after reading this thread I might just keep them around for rock skis and fun days. The speed needed to get them to plain is hilarious, the shovels are as near to 90° as I've ever seen on skis. They like uboots with just the tips sticking out of snow. They are perfect for high alpine glacier terrain where you can just let them run.

At least we can all agree the Phatom SC108 was a terrible ski. It had like 10mm of camber. I had a pair of 195s given to me and promptly gave them away again.

Somebody mentioned up thread (can't quote because trgz is broke) that newer chargey skis have a 15% haircut on the top end of monster trucking chop at Mach Jesus and are more versatile everywhere else, but it is not true. That 15% reduction in performance feels like a hell of a lot more when you really need it, and the extra versatility most often leads to a ski that is overly turny, skittish at highway speeds, and vague to mushy when being hammered on.

Being an oversized human fond of big dumb skis, I still think the biggest problem is that there are no frontside skis of reasonable length with a longer radius. ~190/85-95mm/25m range. I think it is a crime. Just because there is no new snow does not mean I want to wiggle around and make a million turns. I want to push on a ski, force it in to shape and make turns count. Race skis have zero versatility, wide skis suck on hardpack.

Yeah, getting off topic, but it&#39;s crazy that >20m and <95mm skis basically don&#39;t exist. (Yes, HL).

My sister was just looking for an east coast all mountain ski, but she&#39;s small so needs a short ski, but she wanted a longer radius than the ~14m she currently had, and they just don&#39;t exists. She got Volkl Secret 88s, is stuck with a turn radius closer to a slalom ski than GS.

Totally. And the end result of that is she will angulate less and put less input in to the ski because otherwise it&#39;s going back uphill. Just shmarve around with the unwashed masses.

I want a bumper sticker that says Skiing Is Supposed To Be Hard.

God Damn kids these days and their windshield wiper turns!

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Totally. And the end result of that is she will angulate less and put less input in to the ski because otherwise it&#39;s going back uphill. Just shmarve around with the unwashed masses. I want a bumper sticker that says Skiing Is Supposed To Be Hard.

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Exactly, and she raced a little, nothing high level, but she can carve a GS turn.

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Originally Posted by ZomblibulaX

Being an oversized human fond of big dumb skis, I still think the biggest problem is that there are no frontside skis of reasonable length with a longer radius. ~190/85-95mm/25m range. I think it is a crime. Just because there is no new snow does not mean I want to wiggle around and make a million turns. I want to push on a ski, force it in to shape and make turns count. Race skis have zero versatility, wide skis suck on hardpack.

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Dude, heritage labs RC85 and RC95 are literally what you seek.

The 187 RC95 is the exception that proves the point. The reason HL exists is because no one was making the skis Marshal wanted anymore.I've got skis hoarded out the wazoo, but if there was a fire in my ski storage, I'd have one option to cover 80% of my skiing. That's sad. (But I'd snap up that R99 in the outlet in a heartbeat if I was waiting on an insurance check)

Kinda did a loop there.

Nobody makes these skis.
Except this guy who makes them.
But I don’t need them because I hoarded.

It's the lack of choice he's got a (valid) complaint about.

I have a pair of red tip one-eighty-four Kastle MX ninety-eights (R twenty-seven) I’m moving with Pivots. PM me


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Originally Posted by McDee

It&#39;s the lack of choice he&#39;s got a (valid) complaint about.

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Right, and for my sister I did head over to the HL site, but nothing for her. For myself, I bought the R87 Comp when it came out.

This thread made me pick up a set of near mint a-stars for 170€ just to give them a try. Needs a remount to fit my clown shoes, so probably will have to wait till next season to get on them.