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The 104 Revolts arrived today.
The minimal 2-3mm camber, combined with the amount of long rocker is fucking beautiful. Like the Sickle reincarnated but with 2mm of camber.
Last pic shows the length of the rocker when skis decambered.
Decided on Gold Pivot 15s on these.
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I've thought of those. Much prefer that graphic to the current yellow ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by tharmor
Those look sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
https://www.snowcountry.eu/23-volkl-...4aAiNWEALw_wcB
im even tempted at that price. $513 for this years. And that topsheet is way better. BM, buy those so I can buy them from you.
Dang, dude. Why'd you have to find those? May not be able to resist at that price and the ability to test mount points. This one is still the best topsheet though this year's is a significant improvement from the yellow ones. Very curious how these would compare to a Kartel 118 or MFree 118.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
While I love my older Billy Goat 191s for mobbing PNW powder, but I always have fond memories of how fun my '12 Bent Chetlers were. Those skis were a blast but were missing the backbone needed for the PNW. These sound like they could be the needed upgrade.
wow that is a smoking deal, more so when you could probably get $60 for the clamps...Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
My top sheets on that graphic/year ski has not held up with. Tends to splinter quite a bit, rather than chip like most. Figured I'd offer my two center before someone gets fully in-bed with these.
You should by these and let me try them at Alpy.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
... What's your BSL... more than welcome to borrow mine for a dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
So has anyone come to a conclusion concerning a rocker 2 122 (2013-2017) comparison?
I have seen the light concerning central Stance and the mixture of playful yet stable and was wondering if this could be the next ski I could be hoarding. Although the 191 is hard to get and vökl is not a Partner of my gear access point.
I’ve had a hard time liking the 121 in a 191 mounted at -1. Tip dive for me. Which is an unpardonable sin for a ski this wide. Gonna remount with pivots slightly rearward for a flatter ramp and another shot.
Call me crazy, I actually dig the yellow fox topsheet[emoji7].
But for deep days, billy goat, C&D and sgn urrakkar were all way more fun last season.
Still interested in a revolt 104. Honestly think I would mount that on the line and use it for park and firm days.
Just had way too much fun on moment frankenskis last year.
hm, interesting. I must admit to be particularly interested in how they compare to the urRakkars :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Weird that the tips won't plane given the flex pattern/rocker lines, but then again -3.8 isn't exactly traditionally mounted. The other two skis are -6 and -9 or so no?
Yes. And I don’t eff with the mount on an RES ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
The rocker lines are fairly steep and abrupt. I’m becoming a fan of longer more subtle rocker for deep snow.
Urrakkar are recommended -7. I’ve found -5.5 to be perfect. I was hoping the volkl would be the similar feeling but more versatile version of that ski.
For me, nothing compares to that in deep snow. C and D has its moments, but I’m most comfortable and brazen on the urrakkar.
hm, thanks for the info - perhaps I should try some urRakkers then. I sold my pair before trying them, but most people seem to get on well with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
The 185s are soft though - especially in the shovels (something I am not a big fan of usually), so I can't really see them replacing BGs for coastal snow / variable. I did buy a pair of lotus124s (catch, try, release was the plan there) that are fairly damn soft in the shovels as well, though their tails are a fairly supportive.
Sure, I'll chime in on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by subtle plague
I've gotta pair of the Rocker 2 122 184 for my early season rock pow skis that I picked up to replace my thrashed and worn out 2013 183 Chetlers.
I got a pair of the 1st year Revolt 121 184 to use as my main pow skis. I'm not sure exactly where I mounted but it's more back and traditional than a new school center mount.
Had a great time on 'em up in BC & Colorado in Jan 2020 but don't think I used 'em once in the crappy 20-21 Tahoe winter.
Last year in the big Christmas storm cycle, for me they ski'd great in the untracked but found I didn't really like 'em once it was tracked. I started grabbing the Rocker 2s, found them to be easier, more versatile and preferred them to the Revolts. I'm not a big guy and will be 60 next year so some of this might be my lazy old man preferences.
Well, there goes my desire for a 191 Revolt 121. Appreciate the inputs, SC. Hope to see you out on the hill this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
To me, the only explanation for a ski that wide and with that much rocker having tip dive, is progressive mount point.
Or not enough speed maybe.
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If you're that far forward on a mount i think anything resembling forward pressure is going to cause dive. The revolts sound like they need a neutral stance, you just have so much tail staying afloat, basically anti-pintail.
I’ve skied with SupreChicken. We ski the same home mountain. He’s pretty skilled and skis faster than I do. But our mountain has a lot of tight quarters so maybe there isn’t room to get them up to “planing speed”? 🤷
Reading this with interest.
I skied the Faction Candide 5.0 at -4.7cm. No tip dive.
Have mounted my 2022 Bentchetler 120s at -2cm, or -4.9cm as I will mostly use those in untracked backcountry pow.
Most of my other wide skis are at -6cm (Renegades, Nomad 115s, Hojis)….
Leaning to -1cm to - 2cm on my Revolt 121s. They have more rocker than BentChetler 120s?
Anyone else wanna chime in. Mounting soon.
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Yeah I really didn't doubt his speed... I think central mounts are more the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I really like my rocker2s but sometimes get tip dive in certain snow despite all the rocker and width.
I honestly felt like I had less tip dive on mildly rockered and stiffer K108 last year when I got them in powder. -10cm vs -5cm.
KC might be appalled to hear that I'm going to remount the Pro-tos I bought from him on the line.... -9cm. [emoji6][emoji38]
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Maybe a bit of column a and b here. Central mount for sure. I feel like I’m really backseat before they plane. Speed/steep slope was pretty fun, but that was just all slash and turn. Pointing them was difficult. And demanded less speed because I couldn’t ride in the front seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shorty_J
I dig the bent chetler in soft snow. But it’s definitely better when the snow is dry and light. I’m at -4.4cm from the line and would move them back if I had another shot at it. Heavy snow needs heavier skis. For PNW I thought the revolt 121 would be the sweet spot for mass in a jibby ski and the mount with my skiing style just wasn’t quite right at -1 on wardens.
So…if the ramp is totally flat (pivots) and I’m back another cm…they’ll be awesome…right??
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Originally Posted by SupreChicken
i wonder if your tip dive is caused by being to flat on the ski and using upper body mass to start your turn. I had tip dive issues because I couldn’t get forward on a flat delta angle binding to initiate a turn, so I would make up by getting more forward with my body position, which in turn would take the ski out of balance and submarine the tips.
i did grow up racing on pivots, all the way through the academy. I have more control, better feel, better turn initiation, and a damper ride on markers. They work for me physiologically better due to the delta and with the ramp of a lange it’s perfect for me. I am 100% balanced standing in bindings on skis with knees flexed.
Wow. That was an eye-opening read.
I’ve always been an STH/driver guy with Lange. Only kinda hate marker bulk/mass. Just bought my first pivots. (I’m 46.)
And now am incredibly curious.
It’s amazing that we can spend our lives in a routine only to potentially be up-ended with another perspective.
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The main takeaway for me last season was how much better I ski with pivots / low delta bindings and upright stance boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
I remounted a pair of woodsman116s from shifts to pivots to sth16s, and with the former and latter it was like I could not ski the ski - the tails felt overly stiff, while they were easy as can be with pivots. I had the same experiene with Woodsman102/110s, Tectons and Hawx XTDs -> I couldn't make them work for the life of me. The Tecton/Hawx combo worked well for me when I primarily skied Shifts on my resort skis with the same boots, but the difference was too big after moving to Lange/Pivots.
I remember mr Ellsworth somewhat smugly harping on about how nobody in the binding round table discussion at the Blister Summit mentioned binding delta as something they were even mindful of - supposedly proving what I assume to be his point of delta being something people whine about on forums, but not something that factors into how people are able to ski. What utter fucking nonsense. And glasses are only for people who are not trying hard enough eh?
So, I would not be terribly surprised if moving back a cm and shifting to Pivots will transform how they ski. It would for me, at my short bsl at 293 (aka short bsl, delta matters more = larger angle change).