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My hope is it's a form of Darwinian self selection. It's hard to see that concrete wall in front of you while watching your videos
I've now seen porn twice in traffic as I walk by in the morning. And some people playing pokemon go, and shitty telenovelas, and, and.....
Not sure anyone cares about this but you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamal
Sounds good on occasion when your safety is compromised. To do this for an entire ride is an asshole move.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamal
If they were in the shoulder, because group rides should pick safe routes, this is not an issue. And absolutely in some circumsatances it is faster to pass riders in a single line with no shoulder, than a pack.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamal
My philosophy while road riding is "Just because I can, doesn't mean I should". Think about it.
Biker: Treat me like a vehicle
Me: Act like a vehicle
Biker: No
Other than stopping at stop signs and not blowing lights, what does this mean? Cause acting like a vehicle means taking the lane and keeping the lane. That's not going over so well in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
Acting like the automobile drivers means getting wasted and texting while blowing stop signs and traffic lights, if we want to get pedantic about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
I was more responding to Bmills frustrations with waiting for bikes to blow stop signs. So yes, I mainly mean blowing lights and stop signs. But I would add crosswalk ignorance to the list. But to your point, if my vehicle only went 15mph in a 50 mph area, I might consider that my choice to operate it on that road was the overarching issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
I regularly have to watch getting run over by them crossing the road at pedestrian crossings in London. Apparently they think red lights don't apply to bikes, one got his just desserts recently when I stepped out and he went over the bars as he anchored on.
Some roads really cannot take bikes and cars safely which is a real problem. Country roads with blind corners are the worst, it is ridiculous to expect cars to crawl along a 60mph road at 15mph in case there is a bike half way around the corner and an oncoming car in the other direction.
I wish this would resonate in everyone's head.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
I'm not a road biker but I do ride in downtown Denver on occasion. It always amazes me when riders will ride on a one lane, one-way street with parked cars on both sides and one block over is a street with a dedicated bike lane. Nothing like going up a hill at 8-10mph with no safe way to pass because some dumbass couldn't be bothered to ride one block over.
there is certainly no right to hold an intersection to keep the group together
and
regarding pelotons, there really aren't any legal rights to use the roads as a recreational race way
so the competitive rides are basically fucked and taking their chances riding that way
smarter route planning is part of better group rides
this happens in my city like crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by soups818
funny thing is the only people doing it are women
several have perished on a specific street like you describe
When im biking on city streets my top priority is getting out of cars way and giving them right of way - if they behind me i ride the curb slowly and allow them to pass - or jump to sidewalk for portions of ride
It goes both ways. This asshole was caught on camera a few weeks ago:
https://youtu.be/RuYO8Tsmhv8
Exact same here. My 185lb of ego and rights as a cyclist don't mean shit to a 2000lb battering ram with a possible cycle hater or clueless person behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
All true and the reason why many towns have laws prohibiting more than two-wide. I remember a really stupid road race years ago where the organizers limited us to two-wide or risk getting kicked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
i understand where you're coming from, butQuote:
Originally Posted by commonlaw
this same logic would say to keep farm equipment off developed roadways...sorry farmers!
or that not only could a peloton blow down the road in front of a school at 25mph, but that that is exactly where they should ride.
think of all the 35mph or less roadway environments and confine recreational racers to those streets...i don't think that would go over well
it's notable that we don't have minimum speed limits
i don't believe you're arguing it that way, but i also think you may not have considered it as fully as you might
it definitely falls back to treating people fairly on the road -- it goes both/all ways
i'm amazed that cyclists are able to share the road at all in the UK given the roadway widths. even without shoulders, US roads are huge in comparison (and, well, vehicles are too).Quote:
Originally Posted by narc
i did a drive through scotland that had my american passengers cringing at how close other vehicles were to us on rural two lane highways
The same logic doesn't apply to farmers at all. They are trying to get a job done, driving short distances from one field to another. If they were riding side-by-side chatting it up, then that's different. Or riding in the middle of the road instead of trying to be as far right as possible...safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
And I want to eat their vegetables.
Stop it. This is TGR damnit and if you don't take a side and irrationally defend it at all costs then you're ruining it for the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
Looks like I'm going to have to cook up a banger of a vegan-commercial farming-wolf-reintroduction-paleo-Subaru thread.
What I've learned in this thread is that bike nazis don't realize that it's a cyclists obligation not to impede traffic, most "cyclists" are self centered cunts and lack a self preservation instinct. I'm looking at this from a decades long perspective as a bike commuter(10+ years in the Bay Area alone) and recreational road cyclist. I can't believe the choices I see road bikers making on route selection when there is almost always a safer and more pleasant option. They must be lazy, stupid or both.
average car weight is more like 4000lbsQuote:
Originally Posted by soups818
only came to this thread after seeing a soups818 post
Yeah, our country roads also have loads of bends and corners with no slightlines (hedgerows/trees) which all make cycling them pretty hazardous especially as car sizes just get bigger and bigger and people's SUV fetish continues. Many of our residential roads we can't get cars going in opposite directions past at once due to parked cars which tends on panic US drivers! Our motorway lanes are also being reduced in width in widening measures to get additional lanes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
My cousins learned to drive in the US (Colorado) and when they moved back here all had to basically start from scratch with lessons they were so scared of how packed in the traffic was.
http://www.amys.com/images/uploads/p...rge/000926.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Are they gluten free though?
You'll have to weigh in on the next thread to find out!Quote:
Originally Posted by PNWbrit
How does the UK produce so many world class cyclists?Quote:
Originally Posted by narc
Maybe it is because the ones that survive are able ride at the same speed as the cars? :)
You've combined two of my posts that aren't discussing the same roads or situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by acinpdx
Road I was on where I was seeking input to right of way is posted 50mph. There is no change/reduction posted as you approach that particular intersection which, as I noted is essentially a "T" with no signage what-so-ever. I was traveling along the top of the "T" the cyclists were perpendicular to me. It is in eastern Washington.
The other discussion was about a road in western Washington in the Snohomish Valley that is particularly hard to navigate even when it's doesn't have multiple modes of transportation moving along it.
Didn't your mother ever tell you two wrongs don't make a right? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse
On road 1 where you're continuing in a straight line and they are nearing the end of their section and have to turn onto yours, you have the ROW. Two reasons; it's the law AND you're driving a large farm truck at 50 mph and they're on bicycles. I'm a cyclist and would abide by reason #2, personally.
I've been involved in a bike/car collision and it's not fun for the cyclist, i.e., me. Woman went past me then made a right hand turn (no signal) right in front of me. I hit her rear quarter panel and went over the trunk of her car, splatting on pavement. Fortunately for her, my impact didn't do any damage to her car. I, on the other hand. had road rash all up my left leg, left arm and shoulder, and a chipped bone in my elbow. Her reasoning was that she thought she could beat me around the corner. Wrong! I am always leery of stupid drivers, now more so than ever but I also pretty much quit road riding after that and stick to the dirt. Hence, my belief that reason #2 above should be heeded.