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You lose some wind protection. But it's more the waterproofness that you lose with a non-membrane softshell, relatively.
If I was you, I'd go with something like this:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-re...-touring-pants (Or similar Schoeller material in a less expensive pant.)
The BD Recon pants are nice hybrids for touring. I'm not sure what to think of the foam lined beacon pocket though.
I still love my OR Trailbreaker pants. They have hardshell material at the knee and below with breathable softshell on the top half. If I had to replace them, I'd get another pair.
I have been in the Mammut Tatramar love it. Gonna sell it to just get a new one.
http://www.backcountry.com/mammut-ta...VsbCBwYW50cw==
The dark cyan is steezy too
yeah seems like they don't make the dawn patrol touring pant anymore, they make the "dawn patrol LT" which is a stripped down version, and the "dawn patrol approach pant" but not the classic with the suspenders... maybe the recon is the replacement, if so that could work!Quote:
Originally Posted by snapt
Yeah, you want a softshell. You don't need anything to completely block the wind. Just something to cut it enough.
I love my outdoor research cirque pants. Great thickness for midwinter touring. Even in storms above treeline they're fine.
Brian, you need to see some tech spec sheets and fabrics I have. You comment enough on this and sometimes you are off on these descriptions. You need to see what it available. I have it , you in breck today? its worth the drive for me to get you set straight. tell me what time and where or frisco, you name it. after you see these fabrics and read the tech specs you will be able to really make some great recommendations. you cant use brands fabric choices to identify a whole line of fabricsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Sounds good. Car issues right now, but maybe late next week?
I like my dawn patrol except they do not like strong or muscular types unless you go baggy. There is an issue in size gaps. I have mediums because my waist is about 32 but inseem 34 (who cares with boots on) and the button pops open multiple times a day. Suspenders help, a snap would have been better, and the zipper isnt long enough for you know what. I can't complain about material performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
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Originally Posted by johngenx
x2 for me.
heard good things about the arcteryx lithic comp bib/pants. hybrid soft/hardshell, low bib with high back.
yes that works , pm me for digitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Im in the market for touring pants.
splitboarder.Tour the Eastern Sierra mostly Tall and skinny. Like to have belt loops or internal belt so my pants aren't falling down on the down.
Im looking at the following Mountain Hardware - Returnia or Torsun or the Arcteryx- Psiphon or Alpha or Beta line
anybody have these?
I've been out, but not in subzero weather yet, and I'm liking the Scree Pant from Marmot. It's more intended for a hiking pant, but it works fine for skiing. The cuff open up and fits over a ski boot for downhill mode. A soft shell fabric that is stretchy. $79 in a lot of places.
Just got back from my 1st time out using the Pro-cline AR pant ... nice stuff
Just scored a pair of Ibex classic out door pants in HEAVY merino wool, one of my touring buds swears by em so I thot why not give em a try
Props to the people (s) who recommended the Black Diamond Dawn Patrol touring pant, just got my pair in the mail leftover in some shop in Utah, amazing stuff, seems to be just what I was looking for, solid build good vents, slimmer but not totally euro fit...
With that said as I mentioned before black diamond doesn't seem to make the classic dawn patrol touring anymore they make an ascent version (whatever that is- seems more like a ice climbing pant) and the LT which is super stripped down,
In any event, very satisfied upon first look!
If Jesus had toured, he would've lashed his jeans around his sandles to his skis.
Just wear some pants, nerd.
you should dress like this guy
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/S...KX-tNrIfzl.jpg
go for a lighter color like tan.
softshells are always black for some reason, heats up with the sunshine.
early summer skiing on PNW glaciers tan pants are almost a must!
OR Trailbreakers for everyday touring. Cirques for spring or heavy crampon usage days. The Rab Neo pants are killer too if not a little fragile considering the price.
For fans of the OR trailbreaker pant- how does it hold up to any lift served use? Think wet ass because there's no waterproof material back there?
The Arc'Teryx Procline FL pants have treated me very well. Great piece.
Burly stretch woven soft shell. Plenty of weather and wind protection for touring. I've never had a need for hybrid pants while touring personally. Low profile belt, optional suspenders, nice pockets, nice gaiters, well made. The side vents are covered by mesh. They keep snow out but don't allow as much heat dumpage as big wide open vents. But they breathe well and as long as you don't overdress they're perfect for touring.
Spendy though, as is all arc'teryx gear
OR trailbreakers are really nice pants but just didn't fit me well, looks like a great option if they fit
I got the great warranty action on 3 pieces of Arcterxy gear including replacing my fav pair of Fury softshells due to windstopper delam (not Arc's fault) after 5 years/hundred of days touring
IME I can't afford to buy anything cheaper
I'll tentatively recommend the OR White Room pant if you're looking for something GoreTex. I've worn them 1 day so far and found them mostly very good. I stumbled into them after going on a hunt for new touring shells, after finding my Rab Neo Guide shells unsatisfactory (Neoshell is great for a jacket, too drafty for pants, plus they're sort of flimsy and the gaiter sucks). They were the third pant I tried on, after Trew Roam and Patagonia PowSlayer. I didn't try Arc because I can't get them on discount, and the BD Mission Pro by reviews runs long.
Pros:
stretchy 3L GoreTex with soft lining
lots of pockets (1 thigh, 1 back, 2 waist)
beacon pocket with clip (I hate harnesses)
outside vents
inside vents with mesh
gaiter with power strap slots, that fits over my Vulcans - quick walk mode transitions!
nylon cuff lining to protect from buckles (TLT / Vulcan buckle in walk mode was destroying my Neo Guides' interior)
tough feeling scuff guard
elastic/velcro waist adjustment
size medium is perfect waist / length for me (5'10", 155#, 32x30), unlike many others (BD Dawn Patrol, Patagonia PowSlayer) which run long or too loose in the waist (Trew Roam, Patagonia PowS)
room for improvement:
I'd move the outside vents more rearward, to allow the pockets to shift more to the side of the pants, to keep snacks .
The interior mesh sleeve for the beacon pocket puts my beacon (Mammut Barryvox) so it digs into my hip on stride, plus it's hard to pull it out. I took my beacon out of the sleeve and let it sit horizontal in the pocket and it was fine.
I switched over from soft shell to hard shell last year and no regrets (been bc only for about 8 years). I got the arc' beta ar. Light, comfortable, wind and water proof but breathe enough. I mostly switched over for weight and durability. I got sick of patching soft shells all the time. The arc' hard shell is bomb proof, especially for scrambling, scree fields, etc. Pretty good for spring tours w/out a base layer too. Haven't been to hot or cold yet. Noise and price are my only complaints.