If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by waxman

"snipers" huh? Random nutjobs taking pot shots at cars are not snipers.

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Probably Tusken Raiders

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I believe the proper nomenclature is Sand People

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Originally Posted by exsparky

This is actually the seed to a great idea.

Find an end of the road enclave as a test site. Someplace really small, get everybody on board. Pass whatever you think you want, make it a biodome kind of thing. A ten year experiment. A city on a hill. Put a big gate on it so bad actors can't just walk in and see how it goes. Ideally your sheriff wouldn't even need a gun. The guy at the gate would but the town would be great. It wouldn't work in big towns but at least on a small scale it might work and you could start with that.

If it went right it would spread like wild fire. This is the best idea in 300 pages.

You stop the kids, crazies, drunks, stupid, everybody.

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Let’s flip this around. Let’s build a bio dome for all the folks opposed to limitations on their current level of rights to keep and bear arms. They can bring whatever weapons they want and store them however they want. And carry/use them however they want.

Should be utopia for all. Just need to find a bulletproof bio dome cover

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Originally Posted by TBS

Let’s flip this around. Let’s build a bio dome for all the folks opposed to limitations on their current level of rights to keep and bear arms. They can bring whatever weapons they want and store them however they want. And carry/use them however they want.

Should be utopia for all. Just need to find a bulletproof bio dome cover

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Some problems with that.
Some of them would shoot you if you forced them.
The ones that didn't go in, would shoot you on the outside.
Some of them on the outside would figure out how to make new guns.
Alcohol - I mean guns from other countries would come in from other countries.

You have to make it look appealing and make it catch on.

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Originally Posted by Art Shirk

Probably Tusken Raiders

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So many great memes for this but allah forgive I can't post a pic here to save my life.

https://imgflip.com/memegenerator

DO IT.

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Originally Posted by waxman

"snipers" huh? Random nutjobs taking pot shots at cars are not snipers.

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Sniper - n. - A person who shoots from a hiding place.

Take a lap.

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Some problems with that.
Some of them would shoot you if you forced them.
The ones that didn't go in, would shoot you on the outside.
Some of them on the outside would figure out how to make new guns.
Alcohol - I mean guns from other countries would come in from other countries.

You have to make it look appealing and make it catch on.

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You’d think the chance to live in Libertarian Nirvana (Freedome? LibertyDome? PatrioDome?) away from crime-infested Socialist Librul Hell would have folks storming the ramparts to get in

And if the refuseniks resisted sensible gun controls they’d have their weapons confiscated and given to the residents of Freedome. Or experience return fire from all the registered/insured/trained users.

Any new guns not sold to citizens of LibertyDome would be registered/insured and their owners trained.

And drugs/alcohol would be distributed without limitation or cost in FreeDome, because personal responsibility. And an armed society is a polite society.

What’s not to like

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

I believe the proper nomenclature is Sand People

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Missed this. It’s perfect. It’s like a Jeselnik joke.


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Worth a read…

https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/202...-strategy.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nahan-sentence

This asshole had the gall to claim his gun malfunctioned, as if failure to maintain your lethal equipment in a proper operating condition would be an excuse even if it was true. Doesn't sound like a well regulated militia to me.

Funny that even the NRA (protector of freedom) posts gun safety rules that if followed, would mean there is NEVER an "accidental shooting". But these cold dead hand folks sending money to the NRA still have "accidental" discharges and shootings.

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Originally Posted by dan_pdx

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nahan-sentence

This asshole had the gall to claim his gun malfunctioned, as if failure to maintain your lethal equipment in a proper operating condition would be an excuse even if it was true. Doesn't sound like a well regulated militia to me.

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So a break from the usual mantra of "guns don't kill, people do?". Turns out this guy is saying 'yup, guns definitely kill people"

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

I believe the proper nomenclature is Sand People

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Racist!

:yourock:

it’s not justice but it’s not nothing, either:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/01/us/ne...ing/index.html

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I mentioned enforcement but you glazed over that. Require insurance as a stipulation of ownership. Part of those premiums go to funding enforcement. Of course I don't know what the numbers look like. We have a SNAP program for people that can't afford food. Maybe we create a SNAP program for gun insurance for the underpriveleged. Because you definitely need guns to survive more so than eating to prevent starvation. Before you go there, I know eating in America isn't constitutionally protected.

Back to enforcement... Maybe enforcement doesn't mean anything other than similar to my suppressors. If LEO asks to see the stamp (or copy of) for one of my suppressors which I'm required to have in almost all cases if I have my suppressor with me, I present the stamp. If I don't, they can take it and criminally charge me. Sure, there are certain states and state regs that this is not the case but I still play by the federal laws.

Maybe you have a copy of your registration and proof of insurance if you have your gun with you. Sound famaliar? If you don't, some type of charge. Do we need more cops checking cars? Not in my opinion. Does LEO regularly pull someone over to check license and registration? No, you have to be breaking some law more often than not. I'm not asking for a stop and frisk or in home inspections for firearms. I was hoping for a conversation on what a private/public co-op could do. Maybe- 1. Create some type of financing for what may or may not be a huge cost for enforcement. 2. Put both public and private oversight (increased cost for unsafe practices) as to not overburden the government. 3. Build a retribution mechanism for the innocent injured by those not operating firearms safely.

Another question you don't seem to want to answer-what data would change your stance on gun regulations? If you can't answer that, not much point to continuing the chat. I know, others are going to say I'm wasting time. I'm genuinely interested if there is anything you could hear or read that may get you to think some regulations could work. There are plenty of skeptics that can only tell you why something won't work. Try being a goldfish.

Last question. When you say "gun owners should just think like we do". Please elaborate. I won't say how many firearms I own or have owned but the number puts me in the top third of number of firearms owned by in most studies. Which camp do you think I fall in? A gun owner or the people who think gun owners should think like I do? The answer is yes. I think something needs to change and I wish more gun owners would think like I do.

Put that in your wall of words and smoke it.

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You didn't mention enforcement. I ddidn't glaze over it. or gloss over it. You dismissed my question about it and have refused to described how your idea would look like in the real world when we are already struggling to keep cops.

I don't care about new gun owners who don't have trigger locks. Trigger locks are to prevent kids from using a gun. They won't stop an adult with a pair of scissors or a scredriver and a spare 20 seconds. I am not bothered at all by unlocked kitchen knives in homes without children. Don't care at all.

You attitudes are mostly that of wanting peopel to think like you, and be like you, this represents a kind of spiritual and perhaps psychological sickness for you, its an inability to recognize other people as individuals who exist serpartly from you. You should instead, realize people are going to think differently than you, and be grateful for this face, as the diversity in opinion is a healthy thing that helps keep our own views robust.

You ask what data? Like, how can I even answer that question? Are you asking me to describe a world that is fundamentally different than our own? When governments victimize unarmed populations, the death tolls go into the hundreds of millions, far in excess of all murders in industrialized nations in the last 100 years. Is there any data that trumps that? I get your point, youre trying to imply that I won't be swayed by data, that I'm purely ideological or even just based in emotions, but asking is there any data that would change your mind is a fundamentally silly question. You're asking me if the world was different... the world is not different it is the way it is. Or you're implying that absolutely ALL the data is on your side and I'm just sooooo blind to it that you want to know if theres any actual real world data that could convince me. This is a delusion. The data is not one sided. As for ideology, yes I believe people have the right to defend themselves and you cannot legislate away their need to do so.

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4.2m new gun owners in the US in 2022.

https://www.nssf.org/government-rela...rs%20in%202022.

With 42% of households already in possession of a firearm that seems like pretty decent growth.

Most studies state 50+% of gun owners in the US have at least one firearm stored not in safe nor trigger locked.

Are less people dying from firearms whether being ND, suicide, or homicide as the number of guns increases and ease of acquisition remains the same? As we look to the future long term as you like to do, should things change in terms of regulation or are we safer with a couple million new users a year with on average 50% of them not storing them securely? Bridge too far? Maybe that's just a couple million extra people per year to protect themselves and my constitutional freedoms by being vetted and equipped with the skillset to responsibly own a firearm so when they need to use they know how and someone hasn't already lifted it.

Keep on keepin' on brother.

PS. You didn't answer one of my questions. Did the rich white guys do all the compromising when #13 was enacted? They were the folks that had to give up more than any other party to promote life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Lol. Slavery was objectively immoral. Gun ownership saves lives. Its an insane metaphor. You might not like guns, but they do save lives as well as take them. You cannot equate it to slavery.

So yea, its pretty insane for you to expect this compromise to be one way, and even more insane for you to compare yourself to a level of victimization of an enslaved population just because your narcissistic desire to control everyone and make them think just like you is frustratingly impossible for you.

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Originally Posted by dan_pdx

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...nahan-sentence

This asshole had the gall to claim his gun malfunctioned, as if failure to maintain your lethal equipment in a proper operating condition would be an excuse even if it was true. Doesn't sound like a well regulated militia to me.

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So his defense is he is just too stupid and inept to keep his gun pointed in a safe direction and can't be trusted with guns?

And actually, the liability for a gun just going off on its own is on the company, not the person carrying it, for good reason. The driver is not liable for their tesla battery bursting into flames under normal operation.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Leroy, does registering a firearm make it useless for self defense? Does insuring it make it not operational? Does having a stricter background check and longer wait time make it unusable to defend oneself?

Again, do you think rich white people had to do all the compromising on #13? What are your thoughts on #18 and #22?

Keep dodging and deflecting brother. The world needs more freedom fighters.

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These things are very problematic in some instances. A gentleman from the dutch resistance gave a talk at my college. When a young woman asked him what we could do to prevent such a thing happening here as he experienced, he replied simply do not register your guns. The nazis had a gun registry, went door to door, and executed the fighting age males who failed to produce a firearm registered to them.

And yes, having a longer wait time DOES prevent you from defending yourself. This is common sense. You start getting death threats for some reason, and are told in a week you can have a gun. You're fucking defenseless for that week. No? is this not basic common sense?

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

Most likely scenario for me to cross paths with gun violence. About 50 times a year someone driving the interstate within 15 mile of me is shot at by passing cars or snipers. Are those 50 shooters mentally I'll or doing it for shits and giggles?

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Source? Please man, I doubt you hear 50 cars backfire a year. The correct answer, is those 50 shooters don't exist outside your delusional mind.

14 miles

https://www.fox13seattle.com/news/fa...unknown-gunman

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These things are very problematic in some instances. A gentleman from the dutch resistance gave a talk at my college. When a young woman asked him what we could do to prevent such a thing happening here as he experienced, he replied simply do not register your guns. The nazis had a gun registry, went door to door, and executed the fighting age males who failed to produce a firearm registered to them.

And yes, having a longer wait time DOES prevent you from defending yourself. This is common sense. You start getting death threats for some reason, and are told in a week you can have a gun. You're fucking defenseless for that week. No? is this not basic common sense?

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Nazis?

Death threats?

Man, your life must be terrifying on a day to day basis.


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Most narcissists lead what to them are very remarkable and exceptional lives.

Well that's a slick trick. A rewrite of The Nazi gun ban schtick is making the rounds on X and FB currently. Except the gentleman told of the Nazis killing citizens WITH guns.

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Most narcissists lead what to them are very remarkable and exceptional lives.

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Ther are also controlling mundane beurocrat narcissists.