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Originally Posted by adrenalated
Sounds like you want a more playful wren and thank the good lord it’s 2020 because ON3P makes that ski now. The woodsman is more wren than Kartel — and honestly most people should probably be on the woodsman.
Iggy and team really have the line up dialed and spend far too much time worrying about mount point testing.
But do you boo
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Great the Woodsman with Ti for the win!
Look forward to hearing how you like it
Dropping my opine on the EC use thingie…
The woodsman doesn’t come off the shelf with titanal…
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Moving + has crossed my radar for the wren 108 (justifications fyalike).
Having some steerability in the ec is mandatory and the wren brings it – more so in the (18-19). I ride it in the 89 and know that this ski musta kicked ass when it was longer and I’m of the mind that the 88? was probably a lot of fun when it came around
My idea of the right choice would be the wren98ti @184. Takes the speed quotient down a notch (not enough) and more capable of stuffing it into where all the kool pps ski
I’m hoping that we’re going to get more edge stability, particularly forward - at the same weight (or less?).
If the shape of the ski lacks anything in ec manners – it’s the lack of shovel (17-18); not that i would want to give up it's 3d capabilities. The changes in 19 (imo) make it a much better 1quiver ski.
Keeping your kit completely mobile, I’d opt for the Woodsman full length at 108. All the tools any depth of 3d demand. either - a great ski in your hand if you grabbed the wrong one today...
I’m guessing mine are third from the right. Tracking says they are waiting at home for me...Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
Out of curiosity, why are some pairs stamped underfoot both with ON3P SKI CO, whereas others are one that way and one stamped WOOD WOLF/EAGLE/LOGO?Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
The 2x ON3P Ski CO was built earlier than the rest. Unlike plastic topsheets where we can impart the ski model + order number on the topsheet cover, there has never been a great way to keep that info matched with the skis through production (as all surfaces on a wood veneer are processed). Where with custom tops, as a function of volume, we just set up each top for the color/model series/size, on Wood Veneers we decided that we'll start going full custom on each wood veneer so we can sublimate the wood veneer with the skis model, length, serial number, and order number to better keep track of which ski is which. When I made the file adjustments to incorporate that new data, I just adjusted the left ski back so it was more inline with the traditional nylon underfoot stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstefanic
Hi Iggy, I sent a few questions earlier this week through the contact form on your website in regards to shipping to the U.K. and the Wren protos. Any chance someone can take a look or let me know if I need to resend?
Personally, having skied the Alps for a couple years via London, if you are on the groomers there at all, ie w/ Fam, wife, etc. and it's not a 100 off-piste trip, then I want metal for my everyday ski. that said, I'm decided old skool. Same age as you, like to drive the tip of the ski. I actually liked the 98mm underfoot realm for that, although I was using toting 2 pair of skis. a 98mm and a 115mmish pow ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChowdahRidah
test, I posted a day and a half ago but still hasn't shown up
Yeah, usually that first post takes a week or two, depending on how quickly the donkeys can get the scrolls up the canyon wall and onto the wagon. Just gotta be patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by ma_rippin
Yep... I fully agree with this and have been fighting the reality of it for far too long. I’ve been trying to make due with lighter carbon touring skis when skiing in the resort and they just flat out don’t work on hard snow to the point of being a liability at times. They are truly super fun when the snow is soft but it’s Europe, even on the best of days you encounter a mix bag of snow and on high consequence steeps they are terrifying. It was a dumb strategy I was following to fill my quiver but it’s time to move on and reload. You have your touring ski and then everything else needs a bit of muscle.
I’m looking forward to getting on something stable and less chattery again.
thrilled to have found this forum! I am strongly considering a pair of Woodsman 96's and looking for a little help...
I currently ski a pair of Liberty V82's. I love them but looking to add something wider to my quiver. I am 95% front side, trail skier and primarily east coast. I also have a 7 & 5 year old so I need a ski that I can control at slow speeds when I do a few runs a day with them after ski school. We are headed to Utah for 10 days this winter to do Park City, Deer Valley and Alta. So I am looking for something wider underfoot than my Liberty that still have good carving control and low speed capability. I will be keeping my Liberty's and adding these so they don't need to replace, but compliment. I would still like to be able to use them in East though. The Woodsman 96 seems to fit the bill well but would love some input.
Other skis I have considered:
J Master Blaster
Black Crow Camox
Moment PB&J
Nordica Enforcer 100
Haven't skiied the woodsman yet, but seems like you need to give some thought to what kind of ski you are looking for -- woodsman and PB&J should be more freestyle oriented (though should hold up on groomers too), enforcer is a directional ski with some rocker, masterblaster also a directional ski w/ rocker but has a more progressive mount point. Not sure about camox
If you are 95% on groomers and aren't jibbing, I suspect you will prefer a more directional ski like the enforcer or masterblaster, both of which are fun and easy to handle at low speeds. That being said, I am all for supporting ON3P (and Moment) so if you think you want something a little more playful I am sure you won't be sad about the Woodsman or PB&J
Jibby is not a term I would use to describe the Woodsman. The mount/rocker changes increase the playfulness compared to the Wrens, but...Jibby it is not.
If the ski will be primarily be used on the EC minus a few trips out west, I’d focus on edge grip. Woodsman sounds like it’s worth looking at but as it’s a new ski and there’s not much info yet.
I think the Fischer Ranger FR series might be another ski to look at along with the Enforcer. Maybe also the Mantra but that ski might be too stiff / too much work for what your looking for.
Obviously defer to Iggy on the feel of his skis; that being said I do think the overall point stands: sounds to me like you need to think about how playful you want the ski to be, and that should drive the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by iggyskier
You should also check out the Liberty Origin 96 for a playful directional ski. Here’s an East Coast review http://www.skiessentials.com/2019-sk...origin-96-skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ma_rippin
Yeah, I'm in this basket too - looking for a thin-ish all mountain ski. I've skied the Ranger 94 FR, and it's probably leading contender for me in that pack at the moment. I'd love if the Masterblaster was a bit lighter, as I'm running Shifts/Tectons and want to be able to tour as well. If the new releases shave a couple hundred grams, I'd be keen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ma_rippin
Wish I could ski a Woodsman, and wish there were more reviews of them out there. Camox was a bit so-so, but I'll probably get another day to demo them (and I love BC skis - have Atris and Noctas too). Enforcer doesn't interest me given tail shape and mount point. PB&J is a good ski, but I felt like the Fischer was a tad better in every regard, and I don't ski switch.
What didn't you like about the Camox? I've got some ready to mount for next season, but haven't skied them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by thecazdog
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I just found the Atris to be a much better ski...I think with the Camox I didn't really gel with the tail of the ski - it felt a bit hooky and the tail rocker didn't quite suit me. But I know guys who love em. I'm going to demo again and compare with other BC skis like the Captis, Navis, etc to see how I like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8rat6587
Hard to find reviews, but Skipass has the Camox as a little less highly rated than the Atris...As I said, I'll demo again; would be happy to grab a pair if I connect with them better next time.
I am guessing most of you have seen this already, but if not - the full review on the new Woodsman108 is up. Synopsis: ON3P seem to have developed a killer ski. Surprise surprise.
https://blisterreview.com/gear-reviews/2019-2020-on3p-woodsman-108
And still in time to order a pair customs at summer discount for customs that ends tonight. Yay ;)
^^^^ Solid Woodsman 108 review. Gets me really excited about trying and potentially owning a pair. I’ve struggled to find the 105-ish ski that works for me. The OG Cochise was my go-to but as my knees age and I slow down a bit, I find that I ski them less and less. I bought some Nordica Enforcer 104 Frees that I hope will work better for 2020.
That being said, I really like the Deep Dive comparisons on the W108. (Yes, I paid a few extra bucks to see what that was all about) I think that is some of the most valuable content Blister pus out. Comparisons to skis I already know against new skis really got me excited about the Woodsman.
Do they tax your knees more because they're too heavy, too fast, or why? Just wondering, because they're my goto skis as well, and my knees are a few years behind yours but catching up fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
@ Interesting you got the Enforcer 104 Frees... I keep going around in circles about that ski the Fischer FR and the Woosman. And occasionally my 20 year old ego tells me to just get the new Mantra 102. All 4 skis sound just about right for the quiver spot I want to fill.... hmmm... if I do go woosman you can be sure I’m getting some of the sexy veneers....
🤔 hmmm. Sexy veneers... want to touch