the Onion.
now I'm really confused --
satire (?)
( dog, I hope so.
but I have seen enough to know truth is stranger than fiction )
thanks, TBS -
still love your avatar.
skiJ
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the Onion.
now I'm really confused --
satire (?)
( dog, I hope so.
but I have seen enough to know truth is stranger than fiction )
thanks, TBS -
still love your avatar.
skiJ
The Onion definitely doesn’t do satire
Two Professors think they can profile mass shooters before they crack
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...s-q-a-00035762
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There’s this really consistent pathway. Early childhood trauma seems to be the foundation, whether violence in the home, sexual assault, parental suicides, extreme bullying. Then you see the build toward hopelessness, despair, isolation, self-loathing, oftentimes rejection from peers. That turns into a really identifiable crisis point where they’re acting differently. Sometimes they have previous suicide attempts.
What’s different from traditional suicide is that the self-hate turns against a group. They start asking themselves, “Whose fault is this?” Is it a racial group or women or a religious group, or is it my classmates? The hate turns outward. There’s also this quest for fame and notoriety.
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I don’t think most people realize that these are suicides, in addition to homicides. Mass shooters design these to be their final acts. When you realize this, it completely flips the idea that someone with a gun on the scene is going to deter this. If anything, that’s an incentive for these individuals. They are going in to be killed.
i bet making guns a lot harder to get would reduce the firearm mortality. has anyone thought of that yet?
You mean like better background checks to weed out the crazies, and red flag notification laws to better remove guns from the vicinity of those that pose a threat to themselves and others?
Yup, It’s called HR8 Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...s/house-bill/8
Can’t get past the Senate
19 states have Red Flag laws allowing the court to require people having emotional problems to give up their firearms for a while
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
Note that Enlightened State of Oklahoma has an anti-red flag statute that prohibits the state or any city, county or political subdivision from enacting red flag laws. It also prohibits the acceptance of any grants or funding to enact red flag laws.
https://oksenate.gov/press-releases/...-law-now-books
i’m fine with red flag laws, the more the merrier to restrict access but i think there’s too much opportunity for human error for them to be super effective. just raise the age and do the shit that works everywhere else. it’s not like we have to win the space race, there’s already models.
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Yes. Like, just pick any other developed country at random and copy their laws. Doesn’t really matter which one, it’s going to be way better than the current shit show we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
Every other industrialized country has proved this self-serving defeatism wrong. Completely wrong. Repeating it doesn't change the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
Yes, it certainly seems to be a "door locking" issue at the heart of the matter. The reason we don't have the school shootings up here in Canada is the vigilance of the hall monitors who tightly enforce the locked door policies. It's a fucking gun problem, well that and a fucking attitude problem for about 40% of your population.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
according to reports yesterday,Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47bp
That was the policy.
and a teacher or teachers had one or more doors propped Open.
dang. tj
Yeah, blame the teachers. Fuck the fuck off.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiJ
Sandy Hook doors were locked you stupid fucks. Jfc
That is NOT what I am saying -Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
Policy is only as good as compliance, AND
when school Safety becomes
Thirty pages about guns
( and school Safety is dismissed as "insane" ),
take your 'f*s' and
go 'jump in the lake'
( please take your assault weapons with you )
blame the teachers -
Riiiiight ( did you read Alvarde school district's "Plan" ? )
One boy is responsible for the Alvarde massacre.
and he had lots of enablers.
backatcha, jack -
' go jump in the lake '
skiJ
That’s not enough when we have more guns than people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker
I’m a gun owner, but with family from UK, and having grown up abroad, shits way to easy to get, and fucking insane let anyone, let alone an 18 yr old walk out with a AR.
Problem is, we don’t enforce the laws we already have. Like 1% of cases where people lie on a back ground check, get caught, are prosecuted.
So with no one doing their job, no mental health services, and all the other shot weve got to somehow put a cork on our forks.
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Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
I switched from Cannabis to bourbon. All good in the eyes of US law now!
God forbid I kept using that schedule one narcotic. Drugs are bad.
I appreciate you pointing out my "fail". I will try and do a better job of abiding by our reasonable cannabis laws. I also commend your effort in furthering those laws. You are a true patriot.
Hopefully, with help from you and Flounder, we can lock up these gun toting potheads and get rid of all their registered machine guns. #istandwithdunfee
Again, I apologize.
Actually, I'd prefer that assault weapons be dealt with. The most viable way to do that is through Class 3 designation. We can then move on to banning handguns, when we find out that assault weapons were only used in 1% of gun deaths and didn't move the needle very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobMc
Cannabis laws are important and good. That's why I will be discontinuing my federally illegal consumption and switch to legal intoxicants like alcohol and whatever pharmaceuticals I can talk my doc into prescribing. Hopefully the withdrawals from my cannabis addiction won't be that bad. Wish me luck in my transition to safer, accepted forms of intoxication.
The answer is obvious.. Texas needs to lower the age to purchase long guns from 18 to 10..
So just keep the doors propped open?Quote:
Originally Posted by jackstraw
You'll have to bear with me. Im stupid.
If we could get to the situation in another developed nation, we could probably pick one at random, use their gun laws, and see much better results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki
The big difference is the second amendment, which I'm fairly sure is uniquely American. I'd personally be in favor of amending it to clearly allow much more regulation, but a lot of people get very prickly at the thought of doing so. And lot of those people are relatively concentrated in certain political divisions. Add to that the sheer volume of guns already in circulation, and it becomes a much harder problem to solve. Getting enough people onboard for a massive change a la Australia just doesn't seem feasible here, although I'd love to be wrong.
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Checks out. Im agreeing now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcphee
I think I am going to get rid of all my guns. Selling them to another person should do the trick.
Until Flounder and Dunfee mentioned it, I didn't realize how much of an issue pot smoking gun owners are. It is abhorrent that we let those filthy drug addicts have access to guns. (me included up until a few hours ago)
If anything is going to change, we need to make sure gun owners aren't using THC. (CBD is all good)
Who wants mimosas?
You can clear heroin and cocaine from the body faster than THC, so those would also be good alternatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
There are no drug tests that are taken when purchasing a gun. Probably something to look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by riser4
Can someone add drug tests to the list?
Even if nose beers get out of your system in 3 days we could still keep a healthy portion of dope smokers from getting firearms.
Mos def. I mean the Uvalde shooter had to wait until he turned 18 to score.Quote:
Originally Posted by SumJongGuy
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I admire the bravery of Flounder and Dunfee to speak up about the sanctity of our cannabis laws.
I only regret how long it took for me to see the light.
It's not easy to hold your ground in the face of overwhelming adversity. "Courage" is a word that comes to mind.
Dibs on your semi-auto with the pictures of Star Wars characters on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Semi auto with Star Wars characters on it... (Obi Wan for the win btw)Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
Ah... You must mean the magazine I have with Baby Yoda on it.
Pretty much the same thing. Semi auto and a magazine.
I'm not sure why I thought yall didn't know your shit. My mistake.
23 bucks. Buy one yourself and have it sent to your house. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/932952240
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“When I was the same age as the children in Uvalde, my father taught me to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance when I believed my country was representing its people well or to protest and stay seated when it wasn’t. I don’t believe it is representing us well,” Kapler wrote, adding: “Every time I place my hand over my heart and remove my hat, I’m participating in a self-congratulatory glorification of the ONLY country where these mass shootings take place.”
SF Giants manager, Gabe Kapler, on why he won’t be on the field for the national anthem.Quote:
“We elect our politicians to represent our interests,” Kapler wrote. “Immediately following this shooting, we were told we needed locked doors and armed teachers. We were given thoughts and prayers. We were told it could have been worse, and we just need love.
“But we weren’t given bravery, and we aren’t free,” he wrote. “The police on the scene put a mother in handcuffs as she begged them to go in and save her children. They blocked parents trying to organize to charge in to stop the shooter, including a father who learned his daughter was murdered while he argued with the cops. We aren’t free when politicians decide that the lobbyist and gun industries are more important than our children’s freedom to go to school without needing bulletproof backpacks and active shooter drills.”
Id prefer that he go on the field and take a kneeQuote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
That should do the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
Even so, doing more than youQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Guilty as charged. I'm not sure you are aware what side I am on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ::: :::
:the_fingeQuote:
Here is Gingrich’s plan.
“Every school in the country ought to have five or 10 people paid $500 a month or more extra — that would be a rational federal program to pay every teacher who’s willing to be trained and armed to protect the children — teachers and administrators,” he said. “But we don’t have that kind of conversation. We’re all stuck up in some high political baloney” — baloney led, he added, by President Biden.
The beauty of this idea, of course, is that it sort of makes sense in the abstract. Yeah, why not outsource protection of schools to people who are already there? Mean-spirited critics might note that this is a form of defunding the police, but we can set that aside. Pay teachers to carry guns and stop school shootings. Done and done.
That’s where you land if you think about this for 2.3 seconds or less. Get to the 2.4-second mark and suddenly you realize: Wait. That’s stupid.
One reason that it is stupid is that it is outrageously expensive.
If you just say the number out loud — $500 a month — it sounds like not that much. About $6,000 a year in extra compensation for those teachers or administrators to be armed and trained. But then you remember we’re talking about at least five such teachers per school, raising the total to $30,000. Still not that much.
However, there are just under 131,000 schools in the United States. (That’s public schools; there are tens of thousands more private schools, but we’ll just focus on the public ones.) What happens when you multiply 131,000 by $30,000? You end up just south of $4 billion in new costs.
That’s just the compensation and just one year. They need to be armed, too, remember. If they’re using handguns like the Glock G17, that’s a one-time cost of $599 per participant. Or about $389 million. And then there’s training. One training regimen costs $16,500 for 50 people — meaning another $214 million.
Now the total cost is about $4.5 billion. And at least $3.9 billion of that — the compensation — is annual. If the trainings are annual, too, the yearly cost jumps to $4.1 billion.
And this is at the lower end of Gingrich’s proposal. Remember, he said “five or 10 people” and “$500 a month or more.” If we assume it’s 10 people and $750 a month, the cost for the first year becomes $12.9 billion, including firearms, one set of trainings and compensation.
For the sake of contrast, consider how much it would cost if the country wanted to buy back all of the AR-15-style rifles that are in circulation. There are probably about 20 million currently owned in the United States, retailing new for about $700. Buying all of those back at $700 apiece would cost $14 billion.
Even at Gingrich’s lower five-people-at-$500 rate, the cost of buying back every AR-15-style rifle would be less expensive than paying for and training armed teachers for four years.
No mylittlepony? Buying a mylittlepony magazine would really give you knowledge Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Among the tropes always repeated about gun control are 'Chicago' and 'Why don't we enforce the laws on the books?' The problem with both arguments is the laws are purposely toothless making it possible for gun sellers to get off easy even after repeatedly selling guns to criminals:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cono Este
Over the past two decades, the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has let some of the Chicago area’s most notorious gun sellers off the hook for serious violations of federal law that included selling to straw purchasers, transferring guns without background checks and doctoring sales records.
...
ATF can revoke a gun dealer’s license only if the seller willfully violates the law. That’s different from most areas of civil and criminal law, in which defendants can’t use ignorance as an excuse for wrongdoing. To revoke a license, ATF inspectors have to prove a gun dealer intentionally disregarded the rules.
Proving that a dealer disregarded these laws intentionally can be difficult.
Not a fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by dunfree
Confusing a rate of fire and a magazine is an honest mistake.
Jfc. The fucking doors. Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
School doors open and close all damn day. Ever hear of recess? Or outdoor classes? So when the door opens and a fucktard with ak47's walks up and shoots everything in sight and continues in that open door that is the issue?
Or he just walks up and blows thru the glass windows or doors?
Fuck you and anyone placing blame on a fucking door being open. The door in Buffalo was wide open. Didn't hear about that being an issue.
Maybe, just maybe, it's the fucking semi-auto high capacity guns.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...litcal-scienceQuote:
One study, published in the Journal of Public Economics in 2020, examined state legislatures’ policy responses in the wake of mass shootings — and found that they were heavily tilted toward lax regulation.
“In states with Republican-controlled legislatures, a mass shooting roughly doubles the number of laws enacted that loosen gun restrictions in the year following the incident,” the authors write. “We find no significant effect of mass shootings on laws enacted when there is a Democrat-controlled legislature. We also find no significant effect of mass shootings on the number of enacted laws that tighten gun restrictions.”
No confusion here. You’re missing my point. So baby yoda is on your magazine and not the gun…at what point did a lethal weapon become a toy for grown ass adults? When people started buying high cap mags with pics of baby Yoda on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless
Still waiting on a response to a question I asked many pages ago. Other than shooting many people quickly or one person many times because you’re a bad shot, what does a 30 rd, semi-auto, suppressed, SBR, 300BLK do better than my 26” barrel, 3 rd, bolt action 300 WM?
Feel free to glaze over the question a second time but don’t come back and twist my words so you can feel like you’re debating someone “that doesn’t know about guns”. I can tell you what my gun can do better than yours. It isn’t made for shooting as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Just need one to two shots to shoot North American large game at moderate distances.
My gun can do better than yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by Conundrum
lol. Ok bud.
Afraid to answer? You could get a lot of cred in a thread discussing how to prevent 19 children from being shot and killed with a semi auto high cap gun if you could list a purpose for civilian ownership and why it’s a good tool without other better options that doesn’t involve shooting people.
Feel free to say it’s your right to own under 2a and that you don’t owe anyone an answer because you don’t. I’m just trying to get you some cred here.