21/22 Bikes That Make Your Shorts Tighter.

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Originally Posted by grinch

No. They run coil because air shocks suck, slow or fast.
In that insert analysis you forgot rim damage. If you think a tire with inserys feel dead maybe hou should run 50 psi and while youre at it put 300psi in youre air shock. Newb level at 11 in the trgz

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It's a good thing bikes keep getting better. They can prop up your ego as you age out of the sport.

What's that saying? "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and some of them stink."

You can't be right on everything, dude. I've met plenty of really fast riders who run tires with no inserts and have very few problems, or none at all. I don't run inserts, and rarely destroy a tire or damage a rim, but that must mean I am a mediocre or slow rider according to your logic.

As far as coil vs air, ride what feels good to you. I don't care if you like what's on my bike. It's my bike.

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Originally Posted by NW_SKIER

It's a good thing bikes keep getting better. They can prop up your ego as you age out of the sport.

What's that saying? "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and some of them stink."

You can't be right on everything, dude. I've met plenty of really fast riders who run tires with no inserts and have very few problems, or none at all. I don't run inserts, and rarely destroy a tire or damage a rim, but that must mean I am a mediocre or slow rider according to your logic.

As far as coil vs air, ride what feels good to you. I don't care if you like what's on my bike. It's my bike.

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High on feelings , low on data bud. Newb status achoeved. Well done

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Originally Posted by grinch

High on feelings , low on data bud. Newb status achoeved. Well done

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Ok boomer

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Originally Posted by grinch

High on feelings , low on data bud. Newb status achoeved. Well done

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Are you talking about yourself again???

Haa, its kind of funny the similarities between assessments on emtb and inserts on the interwebz. Politics over fakt. My buddy says emtb/inserts are bad because i ride with him or he has more interweb street cred. It awesome. Sooo ez to taunt the morans. Facts>feelings bud

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Starting to think Grinch is the Bushwacka of Sprocket Rockets - thinks his way is the only way, insists everyone else is just plain wrong, and is willing to argue with anyone anytime incessantly.[emoji91][emoji91]

I'm still waiting for him to present some facts. Hes just stating his opinions. There's a difference.

Friday Trolling by bored old dude 101

I used want a ebike, but I've come to realize they're all ridden by pedantic boomers in jeans.

Experience>elementary schoolyard impressions

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My ebike doesn't have inserts in it.

Just wanted to get that out there. Cue Grinch being personally offended.

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Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier

I used want a ebike, but I've come to realize they're all ridden by pedantic boomers in jeans.

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Thanks for making my point. In the states its all about keeping up with the jones'. The early fat of emtb is being decided in the school yard playground. Meanwhile the kids in the uk, germany, italy, aus are ripping on emtb's and are going to be next level riders. Sam Hills 4 and 5 yr old kids are lapping the backyard jumps on their e scooters and have 10x more style then the school yard dentists here.
You buy your samta cruz' and transitions because youve been told, not for the numbers. Basically posers riding ugg boots. Dentists dont go fast enough for inserts and if they do they skip them and just buy new wheels

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Grinch, I ride a 26" aluminum framed bike with air shocks and no inserts. Can you tell me how I should feel about myself? Maybe I should keep up with the grinch's, do what I am told, and get some inserts?

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Originally Posted by knumbskull

Grinch, I ride a 26" aluminum framed bike with air shocks and no inserts. Can you tell me how I should feel about myself? Maybe I should keep up with the grinch's, do what I am told, and get some inserts?

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Your rims are fkd. They dont even make tires to fit. Stick to the x box bud

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Slightly back on track. This thing finally showed up (ordered the frame in December).

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I love the clean lines of the top tube->seat stays on the newer transitions.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Slightly back on track. This thing finally showed up (ordered the frame in December).

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beautiful!!

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I never liked the beer gut/pregnant downtubes on the Transitions the last few years. These look cleaner.

Im all about the Ethicc.
Lovely color accents on those new uggs!!
For realz, that is a beauty. Transition has actually hit the nail on the head w their bikes. I think we're at a point where most companies are very close to perfect for progressive geo and some have gone a little too far and some not quite there. Next year it might not be longer, lower ,slacker, sreeper seat angle. Itll just be minor tweaking of the complete package Trani kind of put a balanced package together. New patrol as well. Goldilocks ripper bike

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Slightly back on track. This thing finally showed up (ordered the frame in December).

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That is a really clean looking bike. The lines just make sense to my brain. Can’t wait to hear how it rides


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Ok. Spur one ride review:

Yeah, this thing is sweet.

Setup as stock 120mm rear travel, slightly overforked with 130mm fox 34. Hodge podge build with some gx eagle, some X01 eagle, some xtr, raceface next r wheels, real tires (2.3 double down aggressor, 2.5 exo plus dhf). Weighs a bit over 28lbs with pedals.

It's not too far off of enduro-y geometry (I measure the HT angle to be around 65°, maybe slightly less), but obviously it's a short travel bike and pedals as such. Feels super snappy on the pedals, even with semi burly wheels and relatively heavy tires. Out of the saddle sprints are met with a satisfying promptness.

But on the way down, the geometry does its thing. It feels entirely comfortable at speed. My one ride consisted of a couple thousand vert of climbing mixed in with a couple lift served laps. And the bike felt surprisingly not stupid on the lift served bike park laps. It took one of the rootier tech trails before I felt like the bike was undergunned (although in that situation, where the trail calls for high speed root smashing, the spur was most definitely undergunned). And on the smoother bermier, jumpier stuff, the thing is awesome. Slap the berm, and pop off of literally anything. It's fun on real jumps, and it makes mellow flow trails with pseudo roller jumps a lot more fun too.

And it looks clean and sexy.

So far, the only downside is that I'm entirely skeptical the Sid Ultimate rear shock is going to last more than a week or two. That thing was getting nuclear hot.

Looks sweet. What size did you go with?

Am I just drunk, or do I remember that Transition said it's not compatible with a piggyback shock for some reason? Looks like it might make a water bottle tough, but I can't see why it categorically wouldn't work.

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Originally Posted by grinch

Youve never gone for a little gap to clear some roots then try it on a rainy day and come up short? Oh wait, nevermind

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all the time that's the theory why I use a rear insert. I'm gona take out for a bit though when I change tyre for a comparison as I've forgot what it's like without them


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Originally Posted by HAB

Looks sweet. What size did you go with?

Am I just drunk, or do I remember that Transition said it's not compatible with a piggyback shock for some reason? Looks like it might make a water bottle tough, but I can't see why it categorically wouldn't work.

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It's a medium. Initially I was a little worried it would feel small (5'9", reach listed as 455), but it actually feels spot on.

Transition has some vague statements about the frame not being tested for piggyback clearance. Fox makes a dpx2 in the appropriate size, and if I had to guess, I'd say it'd fit without interfering with the bottle cage. Worst case scenario is I'd need a cage that scoots the bottle forward.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

It's a medium. Initially I was a little worried it would feel small (5'9", reach listed as 455), but it actually feels spot on.

Transition has some vague statements about the frame not being tested for piggyback clearance. Fox makes a dpx2 in the appropriate size, and if I had to guess, I'd say it'd fit without interfering with the bottle cage. Worst case scenario is I'd need a cage that scoots the bottle forward.

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I think Wolftooth also makes some goofy thing that moves your cage further forward too. Sweet looking bike. If I was in the market something like that is damn near exactly what I'm interested in.

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Originally Posted by Rossymcg

all the time that's the theory why I use a rear insert. I'm gona take out for a bit though when I change tyre for a comparison as I've forgot what it's like without them


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I just put them in to avoid problems for the most part. My pedalling/enduro wheels dont fail wherever i pedal(dh trails or xc). My dh/emtb wheels smash things everywhere and get me home or atleast to the bottom. If i raced and was serious about it id be more selective on how light i could go on individual courses. Ive probably had one or two flats in 7 or 8 years after i ditched exo weight tires. Then smashed a few rims until i used inserts. Now zero problems unless theres a breach of the tubeless system. Atleast tgen i can roll to tge bottom. They dont always have probldms but its the exo or non insert guy that always screws the ride plan. The 1st yr newb is tge prime offender, and he always has an excuse........
When i raced it was a few different tires i had, regular tubes , dh tubes , and also some crazy thick dept store tubes. I tried a "snakecharmer" for a bit but that made todays insert install seem like installing a lock on grip in comparison. Major pain with limited dependability results. Tires werent great then either.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Ok. Spur one ride review:

Yeah, this thing is sweet.

Setup as stock 120mm rear travel, slightly overforked with 130mm fox 34. Hodge podge build with some gx eagle, some X01 eagle, some xtr, raceface next r wheels, real tires (2.3 double down aggressor, 2.5 exo plus dhf). Weighs a bit over 28lbs with pedals.

It's not too far off of enduro-y geometry (I measure the HT angle to be around 65°, maybe slightly less), but obviously it's a short travel bike and pedals as such. Feels super snappy on the pedals, even with semi burly wheels and relatively heavy tires. Out of the saddle sprints are met with a satisfying promptness.

But on the way down, the geometry does its thing. It feels entirely comfortable at speed. My one ride consisted of a couple thousand vert of climbing mixed in with a couple lift served laps. And the bike felt surprisingly not stupid on the lift served bike park laps. It took one of the rootier tech trails before I felt like the bike was undergunned (although in that situation, where the trail calls for high speed root smashing, the spur was most definitely undergunned). And on the smoother bermier, jumpier stuff, the thing is awesome. Slap the berm, and pop off of literally anything. It's fun on real jumps, and it makes mellow flow trails with pseudo roller jumps a lot more fun too.

And it looks clean and sexy.

So far, the only downside is that I'm entirely skeptical the Sid Ultimate rear shock is going to last more than a week or two. That thing was getting nuclear hot.

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That's nice and all, but, what inserts are you running in it?

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Originally Posted by dannynoonan

That's nice and all, but, what inserts are you running in it?

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If youre going to be shredding hardwood hills youll need to know

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Originally Posted by toast2266

It's a medium. Initially I was a little worried it would feel small (5'9", reach listed as 455), but it actually feels spot on.

Transition has some vague statements about the frame not being tested for piggyback clearance. Fox makes a dpx2 in the appropriate size, and if I had to guess, I'd say it'd fit without interfering with the bottle cage. Worst case scenario is I'd need a cage that scoots the bottle forward.

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Great build. My only suggestion was going to be a dpx2.

That Spur looks dope.

My SB115 arrives on Monday. Hope to squeeze in one ride Monday night or Tuesday AM before my mom gets to town for a week. I'm hoping the geo isn't too XC for me. Looks like it's the least "down country" of all the similar bikes geo wise. Then again there are NO bikes available. I wasn't about to order something and get it sometime next winter.

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Originally Posted by toast2266

Slightly back on track. This thing finally showed up (ordered the frame in December).

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That thing looks like a sexy beast.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian

That Spur looks dope.

My SB115 arrives on Monday. Hope to squeeze in one ride Monday night or Tuesday AM before my mom gets to town for a week. I'm hoping the geo isn't too XC for me..

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SB 115 looks close to my Ranger in geo, it goes down in fine fashion. I’m not as much of a down rider as you probably are but I bet you’ll be impressed with it.

The Ranger seems to be an ‘ignore what you think the numbers say it’s going to be like’ ride




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Originally Posted by toast2266

Ok. Spur one ride review:


So far, the only downside is that I'm entirely skeptical the Sid Ultimate rear shock is going to last more than a week or two. That thing was getting nuclear hot.

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Ended up with a pretty similar build and tires, but with a 120 Pike instead of the 34, and I feel bad for the terrible things I've done to that shock. It weeped oil like a mofo for a couple days, and then stopped, and doesn't feel bad now, but also doesn't feel great. Debating between rebuilding it or just going piggyback. Also feel like this bike really deserves good brakes.

My SID ultimate weeps like a little baby. Thinking about a DB in-line for the Ranger. Of course now cane creek is out of them until Nov


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Ended up with a pretty similar build and tires, but with a 120 Pike instead of the 34, and I feel bad for the terrible things I've done to that shock. It weeped oil like a mofo for a couple days, and then stopped, and doesn't feel bad now, but also doesn't feel great. Debating between rebuilding it or just going piggyback. Also feel like this bike really deserves good brakes.

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Yeah, my Sid is pretty weepy. My understanding is that's just lube working it's way out and not ther actual damping oil blowing past seals. But glad to hear yours hasn't completely shat the bed yet. Fingers crossed that mine lasts longer than expected.

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Originally Posted by cydwhit

Ended up with a pretty similar build and tires, but with a 120 Pike instead of the 34, and I feel bad for the terrible things I've done to that shock. It weeped oil like a mofo for a couple days, and then stopped, and doesn't feel bad now, but also doesn't feel great. Debating between rebuilding it or just going piggyback. Also feel like this bike really deserves good brakes.

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I felt the same about the Ripley, which seems like a twin to the Spur (but not as good looking).

Hope E4 brakes made a world of difference and saved a few grams compared with the 2 piston XTs.

A DVO Sapphire fork made the front end all smashy-smashy, and then I had to go and get a Topaz piggyback shock to balance it out. There is no out-riding either end anymore. On the burliest, rockiest trails more travel would be nice, of course, but there really is something to better suspension, and it's well worth the 200g or so of weight gain.

The side benefit of the DVO stuff is that it's really easy to rebuild and change damper oil, which I think most people don't do often enough.

These downcountry bikes are really impressive.

Did switching to DVO change the feel of the Ripley platform? The platform on my Spur is very firm, that's something I liked about it. DVO has always seemed very plush comparatively. Nice for descending but not as great for climbing.

If anything I think it bobs even less while climbing, so I mostly leave it wide open. The Topaz switch doesn't do a full lockout, which some people complain about. I like it though, since I seldom climb on roads and prefer a little bit of suspension even on smoother trails. I also climb seated about 98% of the time, and at a pretty high cadence.

Moving to Spur Country and pics will be coming.

Run Cush Core in the back.

EDIT TO ADD: was chatting at a reputable shop in Salida this weekend regarding the Sid on the Spur. Apparently some were sent out dry? People riding them and causing failure. Just a heads up.


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beautiful!!
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Originally Posted by Sandbox

That is a really clean looking bike. The lines just make sense to my brain. Can’t wait to hear how it rides
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Only one water bottle...meh. Is that low brow trash even ridable?!?!?!



(...of course I'm jealous)