Yeah. Medium Stiff was basically equal to 4 flex which was the original GPO stock flex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breomonkey
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Yeah. Medium Stiff was basically equal to 4 flex which was the original GPO stock flex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breomonkey
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Hopped on my old GPOs today. They are so good. They can slarve, charge, carve, and slash with abandon. I don't have to think about anything when they're on my feet. The skis just do whatever I ask of them.
I have to get back on mine. They really are good
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One of the best bumps and by far the best Swiss Army knife ski I own...
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Amen to that! After dedicating my MAP/Carbon/Nylon/#4s to touring duty, I picked up some Enduro/Veneers/#4 for mixed use with Vipecs (both in 182).
... Thom
My only inbounds ski at the moment, and I’m not complaining!
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Took my OG topsheet carbon 192s to Utah during / after recent storm cycle. So versatile it’s kinda crazy.
I've been touring on my used/clapped out OG 192 GPOs all winter and they have been great, but I don't ski hard when I'm touring. Then I threw a set of frame bindings on the Dynaduke plates yesterday for some after lunch resort laps and holy cow were they sweet! I was on 188 Megawatts in the morning which were great in the 6-12" fresh heavy snow, but they GPOs felt like slalom skis in comparison with how maneuverable they were. Tight trees were dreamy, I kept laughing about how a 116 waist 192cm ski could pivot, carve, slarve, shoot, do anything on command and then charge out the bumped up runouts. The snow was good but not an "all time" day when any ski feels good. The GPOs impressed. Can't wait to move pin bindings back on for some hidden stashes later this week.
Moving more and more toward biasing my weight savings at the bindings. The change on my 182s from Vipecs @ 1240g/pair to BD Helio 200s (ATK Haute Route) at 400g/pair was a revelation that has my all-knowing buddies smile ('coz they've done this years ago).Quote:
Originally Posted by skis_the_trees
Darn near a pound per foot with no soft snow performance tradeoff.
... Thom
With the custom sale fast approaching, bumping this thread to ask if anyone has a heavy core GPO with feedback they will share? I'm leaning heavily towards a heavy core + veneer octopus...
I might (likely) be putting my GPOs up for sale this summer if anyone is interested.
182, Flex 3 Enduro Veneer (ambrosia maple), Screaming Bear/totem graphic.
Fun ski just too stiff for my 134 pounds of weak-ass form skiing. I think the veneer made it more like a 3+ but I don’t live near anyone else with Praxis skis anymore so I can’t compare hand flex. I also like just a bit more camber to get some rebound and softish tip and tail for a playful feeling.
I’m gonna replace it with a softer-flexing more forgiving 180 cm / 116ish waist ski that I intend to use as a soft snow resort ski. Thinking Rossi Super 7 or Armada Tracer 118. I see in reviews the Tracer 108 has pretty soft tips and shovels, so the 118 might be worth a shot. I think a custom 180 +1 BC, Flex 2 might also do it for me, but I’ll have to see where the custom pricing ends up.
I can see that being a fun touring ski for someone with an extra 20-40lbs on them, that wants an option without a ul core or carbon. Ive shut off the taps , but someone like me. I am curios though. Weight, mount(s), price? Also screaming bear veneer is awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
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Keith needs to get that custom pre-order page up and running while there are still plenty of skiers "working from home."
If those screaming bears were ULs, I'd be seriously weakening.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
It's probably just a website glitch, but I don't see a UL option for GPOs at the moment. I can't get a flex 3/UL/Veneer GPO out of my head.
... Thom
If I don't buy heavy core customs during the sale I will want to be first in line for these. Screaming bear is the only topsheet besides the original GPO I would be OK with on the GPO.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Edit: call me vain but topsheets matter on my all time favorite ski.
This is why they looked like 2.5 years ago (in plastic).Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Right now just one mount at -1 cm for 305 BSL Marker Royal pattern. They haven’t hit a scale yet and I’ll be flexible on a mutually fair price. I’ll shoot pics of the topsheet scratches and weigh them without bindings after I get the replacement pair figured out.
Beauties
I keep waiting to start touring on my Yetis but the GPOs are SO MUCH FUN I can't bring myself to switch it up yet this season. Maybe when it's really corn season, but I bet the GPOs will crush that too.
Indeed they do (crush it all). I'm always late (in the season) in switching away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skis_the_trees
Corn season also means slush at some point in the day, and they handle that well too.
... Thom
They will!Quote:
Originally Posted by skis_the_trees
I realized my GPOs were a bit too stiff for me when I realized I was having more fun in shallow snow - corn, windbuff, windblown, skier packed - than in deep snow, especially in the heavier stuff like west coast warm high density windslabs.
Wrong place for this, but what's up with "The Ski" from praxis? Never seen it before: https://www.praxisskis.com/skis/the-ski/
Maybe I missed something `shrug`
So many skis, so little time.Quote:
Originally Posted by margotron
I own a pair. What would you like to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by margotron
short story: it's a super stable, mostly traditional-feeling ski. Floats well, flex in front of boot is really nice. Shares a spot in the quiver with an Enforcer 104 and I think I skied the Ski more this year. I went Heavy core + carbon which is a combo I like a lot.
edit: back to GPO talk, I need moar skis like a hole in my head, but a Heavy core GPO would be at the top of my wish list.
Try the Quixote instead... :FIREdevil
If I like the Q half as much as I like all other Tabke creations (Protest/GPO) it would be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
I'm one for three - loving GPOs and grateful there was a market to sell the other two.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
... Thom
Although I think I understand your approach to "breaking in" skis, I would say that the Protest is like a fine horse and if given the proper amount of time... ;-) Perhaps you did, I just find it very interesting how some people don't find that bond like the rest of us in the cult of protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Yeah, @grinch tells me you need 5 days on them to figure 'em out. I don't get 5 days a year inbounds for days you "need" ProTests so my patience wore thin after day 2, especially when I knew how much fun I was missing by not being on either my GPOs, Qs, or Billy Goats, and damn it, I sold the Billy's to pay for the Protests.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
I keep wondering what I may have missed.
The Qs, BTW, were amazing in deep stuff. It was only in inconsistent snow when I'd have an occasional "Tabke moment".
... Thom
Up on the website for $499 custom as of this afternoon. Thinking about pulling the trigger on a pair for my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
https://www.praxisskis.com/custom-skis/gpo-custom/
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Only 150 extra for veneer too(it was 2 bills). It doesnt have a core option but i think heavy hitter was no extra price so maybe thats still in play. Major teaser, i cant right now
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So I have two new to me pairs of skis I can't get out on until after the apocalypse, and I surf over to the Praxis site ... because ... n + 1.
Thank goodness there's no UL option. I don't want to call and learn it was a website error and UL is available [emoji33]
... Thom
Same here. I didnt look any farther through the site. Just that link to the gpo. I wish it was but its not the time to be spending right now. Hopefully the custom sale lasts
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So tempting!
I want to replace my MAP+carbon with enduro+carbon+veneer. Would also prefer the all black bases so I’m going to be patient and hope these options will become available later.
I did notice the veneer option added $250 to the total.
I'm going to guess he's still working the kinks out on the custom order page.
You can put me in the camp that didn't love Protests (or MVP's, for that matter) but I don't think I've ever clicked with a ski the way I have with my skinny Q's. Love at first turn. I do feel like I got a little lucky, as I changed literally everything about the stock ski (my pair is Flex 3, heavy/carbon, -10mm in width and with a cherry veneer) and they're just fucking magnificent.
I'm adding a regular width pair in a lighter construction (Flex 3, enduro/carbon, stock width, veneer) as a deep snow touring ski. Still debating CCR vs. sticking to the normal camber/rocker profile.
For a while I was real interested in a skinny, heavy core Q for a daily resort. Cool to hear you really like yours. Do you ever notice the asymm? I don't over analyze skis (usually just like to get on and ski) so just curious if they can be skied "thoughtlessly" or if they require you to pay attention more than some easy going, symmetrical designs.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
I only notice the asym when they're leaning up against the wall at home. It's pretty subtle in the shovel, and more pronounced in the tail, so they don't look weird on your feet, at least to me.
As far as on-snow behavior, I find them to be very easy/intuitive to ski, and can't say I changed my ski style to suit them, I just click in and ski as usual. I have mine set up as a touring ski (my only AT setup) and find them to be fun, capable and predictable in a wide range of snow conditions. They're quick edge to edge and feel narrower than 108mm underfoot on firm snow, but I find the float to be more than adequate for my size and powder skiing style.
The snow feel/feedback from the heavy core/veneer layup is awesome too. Smooth and powerful, but with some nice liveliness too.
Good info. I forgot to ask: what didn't you like about the MVP or how would you describe it and the skinny Q back to back?
Those are the two skis I am most tempted to try and build an enduro/veneer touring ski around 1800g. So appreciate the feedback on your experience.
Thom I think that would be bomb at your height / weight. I'm 185 and a pair of 187 ul flex 3 gpo's were a tad too soft for me in the bc (also skiing tahoe). Fun af for tree skiing but not what I had hoped for in big, open terrain. Was used to 192 map 4's inbounds and to this day when i look down from the top of a hairy line in the bc, i wish i was on a bigass 192 gpo. Just don't wanna lug one up thereQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Looking to scoop up a pair for my shifts and do some slack touring on them but mostly inbounds... currently own 187 MVP and Protest both flex 4... should I grab the same set up for the GPO or should I bump it up to the 192 and go flex 3?
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iMHO I wouldn’t flex down due to longer length, just go with what length you want and keep the flex you dig, you can thank me later.