Derek Thomson is one of the trail builders (built hardlick, high star ranch, the new ones in the Arcylon area, etc) so I think the trails should be pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Derek Thomson is one of the trail builders (built hardlick, high star ranch, the new ones in the Arcylon area, etc) so I think the trails should be pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Well, that is excellent news.Quote:
Originally Posted by brutah
They say it will be world class, its a good sign they are shooting high I guess?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Also approved:
- Bonanza Flat to Upper WOW Trail Connection (Wasatch Trails Foundation — Wasatch County): $60,000
- Beaver Bench Mountain Bike Trail Phase 3 (Beaver County) $50,000
- Wasatch Mountain State Park Trails - 7 Bicycle Repair Stations (Wasatch Community Foundation — Wasatch County): $3,535.83
- Pahvant Mtn. Bike Trail System - Phase 3 (Richfield City Trails Committee — Sevier County): $333,070
- Bonneville Shoreline Trail, Fruit Heights (City of Fruit Heights — Davis County): $103,953
- Rose Park Pumptrack (Salt Lake City Corporation — Salt Lake County): $100,000
- Manzanita Trail System - Phase II (Brian Head Town — Iron County): $75,000
- Tilted Mesa Mountain Bike Trails near Kanab (Kane County): $65,000
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^^^^ Nice!!
The first half going through the pines is so pleasant, smells like a real forest with moisture in the soil and sap in the air. The brush isn't even too bad right now, it's just the few gnarly climbs that knock this down to a 3-star ride.
Rode the flying canine tonight, already dry but the dirt in the shady sections is still good. Beautiful as ever around sunset, especially with the angry storm clouds filtering the light and the mule ears everywhere. No pics as that storm was on my ass and I wasn't keen on getting rinsed.
Ran into 2 grouse and they fled in fear. FINALLY those fuckers are recognizing me as the dominant species!
I’d give it more stars. Yeah the climbs suck but all the downs are so damn fun and the scenery is an 11. It’s really damn nice out there right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Boissal
Windy tonight, but temps were great. Nearly ran out of daylight on the downs.
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^^That last pic, wow!
Yeah, that last pic is great. Looks like I was a ridge or two over from you gman last night, and while I saw plenty of flowers too, I didn't see THAT.
I think our top pics may have been close to the same spot. I was chasing daylight, so I didn't venture south for the better view of Morris Meadows. I imagine we rode the same downhill. The flowers were going off on a small north face immediately when you start the two track climb back up to the radio towers. I had my head down and smelled them before I noticed them. The almost-dark ride back down to city creek was worth the stop to take in the view.
Huh, maybe!
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Dark and Loamy...dirt has been 5stars as of late.
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Took the wife out to slate creek. She enjoyed it, I liked it better than I thought I would.
kiddo gettin some dh laps in between storms yesterday....
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Finally got the full squish back together in time to dodge the storms in LCC yesterday. 60ish degrees and snow falling at the ruins. I forgot how much I love the smell of the early season pines.
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https://www.sltrib.com/news/environm...hrKe8Y3lWk7iEQ
Where were all these people during the comment period?
Also, on the other side of the argument, why didn't the city plan better? It sounds like the trail builders they hired may be partly to blame for poor trail construction and layout?
yeah, now the mayor is involved so I can’t wait to see how that works out. at least the trails that they already got done might keep their new designations?
At the end of the sltrib.com article there is a link to a survey ...Support the bike trails in the foothills! It will be up until the end of June...Forward to everyone you know!
https://www.slc.gov/trailsurvey/
Thanks for the link. I know with as much work has been done up there, there’s bound to be people complaining, mostly those who are on foot, but I think they definitely made it better up there. Never gonna make everyone happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mar123
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I haven't personally ridden any of the new stuff but I have not talked to a single biker yet who had anything good to say about those new trails.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepHelmet
I'm psyched about the new stuff. Is it great? No. Is it better than what was there before? Yes, if only because it provides a directional bike-only option. I miss some of the weird trails that are now hikers-only but overall I think bikers are now better off than they were before.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfinn
Of course each user group using the foothills feel like they own the place and have a longer standing claim to it than the others. It was to be expected that the raging old twats who couldn't be bothered to participate in the planning process would now shit the bed over the perceived loss of access and the fact that trails weren't designed for them. Entitlement runs rampant and the NIMBYism is starting to show its ugly fucking face...
It's not the NIMBYism that I have a problem with, that's been going on for years. I take issue with the knee jerk reactions that politicians and officials take in reaction to a few emails and phone calls. The slighted have figured out how to weaponize their disdain. I blame social media.
Yeah def not 5 star trails so far.... in the survey there is space for comment, at the least its a good opportunity to show support for more mountain bike specific trails in the foothills and to leave comment on what types of trails you'd like to see made or could be made better.Quote:
Originally Posted by dfinn
Some things I touched on...
-New Popperton trails ok for beginners
-BST trail ok as up trail to get to things like Terror Ridge and Bobsled. 19th ave trail nice that its downhill directional.
-More advanced mountain bike specific trails that are directional downhill, good because no possibilities of collisions. Bobsled and Terror ridge are decent examples.
...and a few other things like general trail building stuff that could be made better...routing, switchbacks, reverse grades, purpose built trails etc.
Brian Maffly of the SL Tribune also has a long history of fighting MTB development at Olympus hills, Draper and in general. Not surprising given the tone of the article.
I havent ridden either but i support the trails in general. There was 2? 3? years of comment period, plenty of time to get feedback, and the writing was on the wall for how these were going to be constructed. I walked a bit of the 19st trail before it was open, and echo the sentiments of build quality and erosion issues ive seen, but, we're dealing with govt here who probably had to take the lowest bid, which probably didn't help. comment shut down a switchbacking trail to the top of wire, if i remember correctly, so at least the comment period did some good. I feel we're reaching a carrying capacity issue on the shoreline trail, but recently, it seems like the bike traffic is more dedicated to the popperton-city creek segments, and the zoo-dry creek seems a bit less trafficked. These complaints are tough to take seriously as the hikers are probably the same ones who complain about bike speed on multi-directional, multi use trails.
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I think the problem is that hikers hate the trails and think us MTBrs are loving them. The hikers think they were left out from getting good trails as the trails suits MTBers better. Truth is bikers hate them too, we didn't get special treatment. But now it's all of a sudden hikers vs bikers because of this misunderstanding and we are going to shut down everything until we figure out something that already has been figured out when the government gave plenty of time for public input for years.
And the Mark of Zorro scars on the mountain side will get filled in by plants naturally. Yeah, us bikers wish there were less switchbacks too in that section.
Pretty shitty of him to only have one other voice in the entire piece. That's shitty journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by mar123
Good point. Everyone's getting shafted to some extent but the benefits are pretty well spread out I'd say. Bikers got directional trails closed to hiking and lost a bunch of trail which used to be multi-use. Same deal for hikers. Everyone's pissed instead on focusing on the fact that each use group now gets to do their things without risking getting mowed down/mowing down someone. Boooo fucking hooooo the hikers didn't get purpose built trails. I'd be happy to trade so they get the new stuff and the bikers get to ride the old trails. I like them all as long as they're directional.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted reborn
The argument about visual disruption is particularly egregious. As you pointed out the new trails will be blended in within a couple seasons at most. Then they will look exactly like the other 50 old dirt roads and 250 social trails zigzagging ALL OVER THE FOOTHILLS which nobody seems to give 2 fucks about.
We should have left everything as is in order to protect the overly sensitive from change. Complaining about something for years while blocking any change that could address said thing is a fucking way of life for some people.
It's a hit piece. Calling it journalism is a major stretch, it's the kind of stuff you'd see on Fox News, it legally can't be considered as anything other than an opinion piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by YourMomJustCalled
And/or they're the same ones that complain that bikers build trails that are too steep. The city builds trails that are mellow grade and now they complain that the trails are too flat. They're also complaining about rounded switchbacks: https://www.sltrib.com/news/environm...-long-awaited/Quote:
Originally Posted by Phall
I did find it odd that they decided to make Dry Creek DH-only. When I first saw the master plan years ago I swore it called for Dry Creek becoming uphill-only for bikes and building a new DH bike-only trail parallel to it, which made more sense. Though, either option seems very preferable to the current multi-directional status. Dry Creek doesn't strike me as some primo hiking trail that is a tragedy to lose, but people generally dislike change of any kind, especially the upper crusty types that populate the Ave's.
This is the exact rhetoric that pushes both sides further apart. Knowing who Maffly is, and what perspective he carries, and therefore why he only gave a voice to Barness is a better use of your time. Comparing it to Fox news is a waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boissal
Is it true that Terror has been shut down? Was just in the bike shop and they were talking about this.
never rode it but based on twin peaks being closed to bikes now, yesQuote:
Originally Posted by dfinn
Does that mean anything above Terror is closed as well?
edit : I'm getting some mixed info on the current state of things. Bike shop guys said it's definitely closed off from the top but I talked to a friend who rode it yesterday and said there wasn't any closure. I'll probably head up there and take a look myself today.
This is the only trail that is closed to mtb now as far as I can tell https://www.trailforks.com/trails/twin-peaks-access/Quote:
Originally Posted by dfinn
Maybe hike a bike is ok to get to mtb sanctioned trails at the top?
what a gong show this all is.
I just rode it this afternoon. The only signage indicating closed to bikes is at the beginning of the trail Jtran10 linked. I went up "Escalators or Camel Back" or "Two Hump Pump" as named on Strava, and there were no signs indicating it was closed. Nothing at the top of twin peaks. I assumed they just wanted to keep bikes off the narrow part of the trail that goes up from the two track at the beginning. They may need more signs. I certainly want to be respectful of any closure if that's the case.
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All the info and master plans for foothills here:
https://www.slc.gov/parks/trails-natural-lands/ftsmp/
Again as others have stated this has been in the works for years and there were many meetings open to the public for their imput....im guessing the people complaing now including the SLtrib are the ones who were always opposed from the beginning.
There are new uphill and downhill trails proposed in the master plan in the twin peaks zone. Just make the new DH not a flow trail and better then terror ridge and I'll be a happy camper.
from slc.gov website...
Twin Peaks
Twin Peaks Trail (foot-traffic only; no bikes) – construction as been paused to further investigate cultural and environmental elements of the natural landscape and ensure the goals of trail implementation can be met; management designation changed to remove uphill bikes as there are no designated downhill bike trails from Twin Peaks in the Phase I implementation. If a designated downhill bike trail is constructed in Phase II, then this trail may be opened to uphill bike traffic.
Dry Creek Alternate
Construction is scheduled to begin in October 2021. The final alignment and management designation is still being determined to minimize the environmental impact while still aiming to disperse users on the high-volume Dry Creek Trail
Don't be obtuse, a piece that gleefully reports on the complaints of a vocal minority and amplifies their voice while making 0 mentions of the benefits the new trails carry isn't a fucking piece of journalism, it's pure propaganda serving an agenda. By an author who has a history of opposing MTB development to boot. The comparison with Fox News is warranted, every time they get sued they hide behind the fact that they're not an journalistic outfit (they're "entertainment") and as such aren't bound by the rules of journalism. Same goes here, this "article" is an opinion piece that isn't labeled as such. The pic of Fisher holding his piece of arrowleaf balsamroot feed the same narrative, the fucking plant isn't endangered of threatened in the least and nobody's out there rescuing it when 2 acres are getting dug out of the foothills to put up a new mansion. And suddenly we care about the cultural significance of the area? Oops, we put a pipeline and 100 miles of dirt road through it already but by all means let's not add a couple trails at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by YourMomJustCalled
Trying to understand the reasoning of a bunch of hypocrites isn't a good use of my time. The other side is not trying to find a middle ground, it's trying to maintain a status quo that benefits them and fuck everyone else.