Wish I could but my ski budget is low and first priority is replacing my 186s.Quote:
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Wish I could but my ski budget is low and first priority is replacing my 186s.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Just felt too long and heavy? The swingweight on those is a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Tail kicked my ass, length didn’t bother me too much, but the swing weight did. Maybe I need more time on them, but I’ve been really happy on other skis recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I’ve been splitting time between Kastle BMX 115 and K2 Mindbender 116, both of which disappear under my feet. Neither have metal, both are fairly light, K2’s are incredibly light for their size, and the BMX hollow tip gimmick is amazing.
I’m sure with more time I’d like the Bodacious, but I’ve been liking softer skis lately. Even skiing the MX 98s in a more playful style and not just running over little children, grandmothers, and ikon pass holders. I also don’t want to take the time to get to learn them when I have two other skis I’m pretty darn happy with.
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Ran the repress OG bodacious today, 2-10" mid density rough dust on crust.
Never once noticed the tail, found it to be uniquely powerful and playful ski.
It will be part of my quiver now.
It is an absolute awesome and magical ski... Absolute crusher that is not over demanding when skied...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
Now, since you like this ski I am going to have to try the M Free 108 in a 192... From your report and others this sounds like a killer ski...
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SkiLyft was rolling my m-free 108 today and seemed happy.
Skied a lot of tight trees and chutes today on the bode. They take a commitment to the fall line in tight spots but are easy to pivot and really can power through the shit. Really amazingly beautiful drifty turns on steep fall line pow pockets.
I skied my pro riders yesterday and the bode is easier and responds better to a more relaxed skiing style.
Pro riders actively look for ways to kill you in comparison.
You like flipcore? Flat underfoot. Whodathunk?!
That OG 186 is the ski that made me retire my snowboard for good.
186 or 196?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
196
Anyone know the rec. mount point on the Brahma 82 in a 180?
The one on the ski... the bump on the top sheet
Skied the 188 R9 today and it’s a fun ski. Snappy when I needed it to me, in the slightly creamy pow (1-5in) mostly tracked out, I could fly around. Ski pops off everything you want it to and lands with confidence. Definitely a fun ski.
Doesn’t have the high top end I’m used to in a ski, but it’s not an MX98 and that’s 100% ok.
Defiantly recommended it if you want a family ski day ski. Makes everything a bit more interesting because the mountain becomes more playful.
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New 177 Black Pearl rips. It’s a better ski than the new Bonifide.
All the new bones/bramas are individual skis at each length. I’d buy length based on skiing style not size. The 189 makes big mountains small. As mentioned the tail don’t want to let go. Instead, it digs in and rockets you down the mountain. Awesome ski if you have the space to let it run. 183 was the most versatile length for me, erring towards open and fast turns. 177 was distinctly quicker, tail was more balanced with the tip (not the accelerator of the 189 or even 183) and was the most comfortable with a bit more centered stance. Stability wasn’t an issue.
Now the real winner: the 177 Black Pearl 98. Sweet damn that’s a good ski. Stable, balanced, calm until you commit to a turn and then it dives into the carve. Change your mind? It rolls right out. Put a black top sheet on it, change the name and I’d buy it.
Anyone have extensive time on the 188 R9 and 188 R10, and could comment on the differences?
I’ve been loving my R9s the past week, super fun, playful, easy to carve, just fun and easy. They aren’t a Brahma or Bonafide, but that’s sort of the point.
Is the R10 closer to a Cochise (which I haven’t been a fan of) or a Bonafide (which I loved)? Is it a slightly more stable version of the R9?
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I skied the 188 R10 from last year at Whistler with 6” of new snow on a soft base. They are one of the worst skis I have ever been on. Stiff midsection but softer and hooky tips and tails. Own a 188 R11, 185 OG Cochise, and 187 Bonafide. It’s like none of these, IMO. It is one of the most perplexing skis I have skied in some time. Haven’t skied the Rustler 9, so not comparison there. Try before you buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Interesting, I will try before I buy. I loved the 187 Bonafide, but they would lose their rebound after ~60 days for me, hence the switch to the MX98. The 188 and 192 R11 were just meh, same with the 3 (?) different generations of 192/3 Cochise I tried. I was very surprised I liked the R9, but I’ll definitely give both generations of the R10 a shot before buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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That sounds like a tuning issue more than anything. The tips really shouldn’t be hooky at all, if anything the opposite. These were demos from a shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
The difference between R10 and R9 is:Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
R9 has less tail rocker and slightly more metal (the DRT piece extends maybe 2” further up the tip and down the tail) than the R10. That’s the difference. Should feel very similar. This seasons R10 did get a slight change as compared to the first two seasons. It has a slightly thicker core than it used to, making it around 150g heavier per ski than the previous gen. Just gives them more mass so they get pushed around less in cut up snow.
Hum, interesting, that sounds like something I’d be interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
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They were from the on mountain demo center near Roudhouse Lodge at Whistler. You may be right about the tune issue. My buddy who owns an OG 187 Bonafide and 188 Rustler 11 skied the same pair and also had the same impression. I was so disappointed in my Rustler 10 experience. I was hoping for a smaller, more all-mtn friendly Rustler 11. I had a brand new pair of Rustler 10’s that arrived at my house during that trip and I sold them immediately afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
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Curious to hear what makes you say that. R11 is like one of the best resort powder chargers out there. You see tons of them on feet of capable skiers, also in the FWT and other competitions. The Cochise is iconic anyway and still a reference as a variable conditions charger. OK, meh in deeper powder but that’s about all.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Some meh Rustler 11 skiing from yesterday...[emoji6]
https://youtu.be/RfElboa8uSE
It’s been a few years since I skied the R11 so I don’t remember specifics, but they weren’t inspiring, same thing with the Cochise. Just seemed to do everything alright, but nothing great? At the time I had a ski locker at the resort so having a narrower ski to charge and a fat ski for pow worked, and I didn’t need to compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by roQer
I will be the first to thank wstdeep for working on my ski technique with me. He worked with me, skiing is better and in more control. I used to rely on skis for stability to cover up for the lack of control of my upper body.
I bet I would have a different opinion of the R11 (and Cochise) this year. If I can find a pair to demo, I’d be curious to see if my opinion changed.
On a side note the FTW (and other comp) argument is sort of crap and needs to stop being used. I really like the K2 Mindbender 116C and Kastle BMX 115, both of which lots of pros (and joes) ski a ton in the FTW and other comps. Just because pro XYZ likes a ski, doesn’t mean I/you will. I love watching Richie Permin ski, but can’t make the Proto work at all, and saying it’s a good ski for me because he sends it hard on it, is crap. We can do better.
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Are they as heavy and damp as the Pro Riders? My interest is piqued!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
Yeah if you like the R11, R10 shouldn’t feel drastically different... especially the new one. The only real difference between the two is the top metal piece is ever so slightly longer on the 10 than on the 11. Rocker profile is basically the same on both. Hopefully you can try it again sometime. Interested to know if your impression is the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Have you put them up for sale?Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
They were for sale here for a few weeks before I put them on eBay. They are long gone nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
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Yes, but looser and my in my opinion easier to ski, especially in tight terrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
Thanks. Will see if I can find a pair to demo.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
"They were for sale here for a few weeks before I put them on eBay. They are long gone now"
Cheers.
I am starting to trust my 180cm Bonafides on everything from steep ice to 3D. I have them in all conditions and they are good and predictable.
This weekend I had a few excellent powder runs in 12+ They wanted in the fall line and they wanted to ski it fast. I found myself wishing I were on my 112 or 116 underfoot options (non-Blizzards). The Bones handled everything else well that day.
If I had a pair of Cochise, would I have the same level, especially on the ice, of trust while getting a bit more float?
The current Cochise is a lot more ski than the current Bonafide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Hood
Yup. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Even the 178 Cochise is more than the 180 Bones. It's not even close, IMO.
The 185 Cochise is vastly more.
I'm not knocking the Bones, but I'd far prefer the Cochise if I had to pick just one. Perhaps steep ice would be better on the Bones, but I wouldn't pick either for that task. [And frankly, I'd just prefer to avoid steep ice. Nearly managed to go to the ER, myself, in conditions like that - and someone else actually died that day - so yeah...]
Float's going to be better on the Cochise. Though it's not known as a "floaty" ski. I've skied the Cochise in heavier PNW pow at 40+ inches and felt it was fine. You never saw the ski, but it didn't dive.
IMO, it's pretty awesome as a full out crusher ski. Less twitchy [and the Bones isn't a twitchy ski to start with.] and more damp/stable.
Way higher top end, speed wise.
I hear the new Bones are perhaps even more ski than the old one, but I'd like to ski it before I believe it. [And I haven't seen much beta on the new Cochise either.]
The Bones are more "playful." [Not playful, just _more_ playful than the Cochise.]
IMO, pretty hard to beat the Cochise and Bodacious. [My "ice" day ski is a Kastle MX98.]
But I gravitate toward "that" kind of ski. If that's not your bag, you might not like the Cochise as much as I.
Don't know where you are, but if you're at MH Meadows you'd be welcome to drive mine for a bit. Otherwise, demo them on demo day, if you've got one.
Any more folks get days on the new Cochise yet?
Thanks folks! I really appreciate the detailed comparison gregorys! I am also glad that you didn’t get hurt the other week; that was a sad day for our Mt. Hood community.
I will make it a point to try the Cochise and the Mx too.
I have two holes in my quiver. I need a 105-108sh and 90-95sh, and the Kastle and Blizzard options are on the short list.
Ah, so perhaps you ARE a MHM guy. I'm serious about driving my Cochise's [I've got 178's and 185's] for a bit - PM me, if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Hood
And demo day is the 15th at MHM. I'd pre-register, if I were you.
[I've been kind of disappointed the last few years of demos. Not many skis I'd want to try that were actually there. e.g. Confession, Bodacious, etc. They might have been there, but you'd have to stand around half the day to get a pair...and I'm not that patient of a guy.]
I was a Meadows kid. I now live two hours front Govy, so you will find me most often Bowling followed by T Line. The extra hour of sleep is nice.
I was at Ski Bowl that day, but I had some friends at MHM
My kids have a ski camp the demo weekend. If I can’t find any in a demo fleet in any of the shops, I Just might take you up on your generosity and reach out.
I am thinking the Brahmas could be good for summer on Palmer. Have you skied them?
Cheap 196 Bodes: https://sidelineswap.com/gear/skiing...m-w-o-bindings
Go get ‘em!
Brahmas are awesome. Haven’t skied Palmer, but I could make it my every day inbounds ski if I had to. When Blister said it was the narrowest ski they would ski Corbets on, they meant it. It’s truly a rad ski that punches above its weight and width class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storm Hood
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Heard there won’t be blizzard race skis next year....
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So this post made me buy a pair of R10s with ATK FR14s - the impulse buy of the season. I have one full day and two half days on them now - all in resorts for max vert. The one half day was spent A/Bing them against R11s.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Short version - read Blister's review of R11s. I re-read it after said three days and agree 100% with their take on said skis. In fact, the review made me appreciate just how good their reviews can be.
Longer version:
R10s and R11s are more different than alike imho. They both share accessible tips that are easy to manipulate and both skis are easy to ski. Their shapes are similar, as is their construction. Both my R10s and R11s are 180s, I am an intermediate+ skier - 175cm tall/68kg w/o gear. R10s are 2020, R11s are 2018s.
They ski quite differently though.
R11s are stable/predictable, pack a decent punch+ for their weight and can do everything from long GS turns on firm snow at mach looney speeds to shred variable pretty well (their lack of weight/mass is noticeable, if no game stopper). They also do well in powder, and are fairly fun on groomers for their width. Their main strength is how predictable they are and how easy they are to manipulate, while maintaining a high speed limit. R11s would be my one ski quiver ski - I simply love these.
R10s are also predictable and fun. They are super intuitive on groomers and do soft snow really well for their width. They are honestly the funnest 100mm-ish ski I've been on. They are a lot - meaning a lot - more turny than R11s. Due to their accessible tips they are still easy to control, especially in soft snow. Where R11s tails are super easy to relase and can easily do slarves/skids to control speed on hard snow and stay on edge, R10s whip around / want to turn a lot more (caveat - I have not detuned them at all). Like most 100mm skis they carve with aplomb and are super intuitive and very lively on groomers. They are not great at dense variable, especially at higher speeds - where rider errors are made worse, not muted like with R11s.
I am a bit uncertain how much of the aforementioned negatives for the R10s would lessen with a heavier binding with toe elasticity. I think it would partially negate some of it and make them ski better (duh). The added weight of the 2020 R10s probably makes them a better ski comapred to the original version.
Would I buy R10s again? Yes. They will be perfect for the use I plan for them - touring. I will also try them back to back with Fischer Ranger 102 FRs in 177, where I kinda expect that the Fischers will be more what I am looking for for a low tide, playful ski made to rip in the resort.
Do R10s ski like R11s. No. But both are really nice skis in their own right. I would be very happy with a two ski quiver consisting of R10s an R11s, both mounted with Shifts.
That is a great PSA and hope someone jumps all over this deal... I would but my reissue 196 black angels of death are going strong... What floored me was the fact that the owner put Marker Kingpins on them... I absolutely love my Bodes but no way in hell can I understand how someone toured on these...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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