I ordered a Piste Jib in "heavy w/carbon" as another all mtn mostly on resort ski. The addition of carbon seem so work with my skiing
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I ordered a Piste Jib in "heavy w/carbon" as another all mtn mostly on resort ski. The addition of carbon seem so work with my skiing
you are gonna love thatQuote:
Originally Posted by jmars
Im going with my first non-carbon praxis build with a skinny GPO heavy core veneer 4- flex for mainly resort ski
I have a 182 MAP with carbon build in a 3+ that I like for soft snow
I'm 180-185 these days 5'8"
The 4- flex with heavy core will be stiffest ski i've skied in a while
It will be interesting
Isn't that just a Freeride core in a GPO press? :)
Off the top of my head, the sidecut length of the Freeride is quite a bit longer, which of course, changes the tip and tail taper.
... Thom
You think?
A core doesn't make a praxis model, the shape does
Good luck with your purchase schlraphy
I did not have veneer on any of those layups, so that might reduce the nervousness that GNU noted. It really is noticeable at high speed in chop - at least for me. The rest of the time it gives you the pop that jmars notes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
My Protest's were an Enduro/carbon layup. I never noticed them getting too nervous while maching through chop but once stuff started to set up and get firm they weren't the most enjoyable ride. They're a big, fat ski and I'd rather be riding something narrower and stiffer in hard cruddy conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by meter-man
I've been flipping back and forth between my ul gpo's with dynafits and my map(enduro) gpo's with cast , for the last couple weeks touring off the hill. Both with the same boot. The ul's are a handful on the hill when it's scraped off, refrozen or icy. Definitely noticeable and requires more attention in the chopped pow, not nearly as bad as icy conditions, as the design does shine through there. Climbing and fresh lines the ul's are magic and no issues. Cast with ffg 14's along with the map core are the suck to drag uphill in comparison(most weight diff is the alpine vs dfits). My ul's aren't veneer but I've been impressed with the dampness of my ul exp's with veneer(for a ul ski). All this has me thinking of a map c veneer with kingpins to take place of both gpo setups. Bit of give and take but more take I think
I have a map/carbon/veneer GPO and have had other non carbon praxii ... IMO the veneer adds 'something' that settles the ski down in shit snow.
Even if you aren't building a touring ski, and if you like the look, consider adding the veneer.
Speaking of damp, I've been wondering how another killer ski company we all love makes such damp skis using bamboo. Is it just a matter of mass?
Also wondering. Like to compare a heavy core gpo to my others(map core in particular)Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
Oh yeah, Keith is building my skis this week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Settled on 182 GPO Flex 3, Enduro-Veneer (Ambrosia Maple #1), Screaming Bear graphic.
Perfect complement to my Prior Backcountry splitboard with the PNW-inspired totem graphics, especially since I'm moving next week from the Sierra to the Cascades as my "home range."
And the days have begun to get shorter. Let the stoke begin.
... Thom
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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
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Nice build. Been wanting to put screaming bear on something for a while. They look awesome on veneer too and on a gpo to boot. Work of art all the way aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
Sickity! Some good life choices were made here
My wife hates when I use the saying, but those are "full on titties"... I love me some GPOs...Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
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I simply love the descriptor "tits!"
Yes, gpo's are awesome and been wanting something with screaming bear for a while . Veneer just made both those options better. Man they look good
They are still in plastic, hence the funny reflections ... will keep EM sealed until I get my workshop set up so I can mount and wax em! This will be my PNW resort "soft snow" & travel ski.
Nice looking skis. My veneer Screaming Bear came out much darker and duller than that. Not that I really care about looks. Maybe a bit.
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... Thom
Yup^^veneer is a win win win. Looks, feel, durability
Can anyone else comment on a telemark mount for a stock 187 GPO? I have liked my 187 Protests, 190 BC, and 187 MVPs mounted alpine on Praxis's rec line (or just behind if required by prior mounts). But these will be mounted for tele (NTN).... psyched to lay down some telemark turns again!Quote:
Originally Posted by kneedropper
Here's an initial report on my experiences, after only two half-days on the skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio
- Tune: Holy crap you guys weren't kidding about detuning these things ... they are almost unskiable until doing a massive detune from tip/tail to at least 3cm past the widest point of the tips and tails. What has worked for me is using a file to completely round edges from tip to widest point, light filing just past widest point, some hard coarse stone rounding over the filing, and gummy stone to ease transition from slight detune to sharp areas on the inside of the camber. For my post-snowboard style, I found I had to pay more attention to the detune transition in the tails, to help with releasing the rear, than I did in the nose.
- Flex / Layup Choice: After some deep hand flexing and a couple days skiing, Flex 3 seemed to work well for me at 135 lbs as a resort do-it-all ski. There definitely seems to be some truth in needing to "break in" the flex of the ski, at least for the wood veneer topsheet layup. Tip and tail have surprisingly soft flex, very progressive though and much stiffer underfoot. The ski, with wood veneer is very damp in chop, haven't been on shit snow yet but I could instantly tell on the firm lift ramps how damp the wood veneer makes the ski.
However, the maple wood veneer has so much dampness that I feel I am missing rebound energy when jumping off one turn to dive into the next ... if I had to do it again I think I would go like N1CK and combine carbon + wood to get the combination of poppy rebound and damp anti-chatter qualities. I can now see why people are saying Heavy + Carbon + Wood Veneer is the way to go for the best feeling ski!- Mount Point: I ended up at -1.1 cm, more out of fear than any other logical reason ... it just didn't "look right" lined up next to my other skis when placing my boot on the line (due to how much tail was left behind the boot), and I didn't want to deal with tip dive in deep snow after some of the minor complaints I see here. After skiing them, I can see the more "upright stance" they demand even at -1 vs my other skis. I feel I can get the ski to turn fine in the trees at -1 but I'm still not dialed in as far quick pivoting/smearing and dumping speed. I'm still having challenges making slow fall-line-speed, jumpy windshield wiper turns down the fall line in packed chop, as of course these things generally want to truck. The rocker/camber profile is much different than other hybrid (camber underfoot + long early rise tip) skis I've been on ... I still need more time on them but I feel like I can see how dumping speed and edge transitions could be easier mounted on the line. It seems like for my style maybe -0.5 would have done just right ... maybe mounting with schizo's after all would have been the ticket, but I'm feeling mostly okay at -1 so far.
Anyways, now I'm actually looking forward to more time getting these skis dialed in ... I was horrified after my first run on these, which really sucked because I had only done a slight detune with gummi stone and couldn't turn to save my life.
GPO is still my favorite ski of all time. I've only had standard MAP and map + carbon layups. A heavy + carbon + wood veneer combo sounds like a resort ski that would kill it.
Does anyone have any feedback from people skiing the shorter length GPO's? Wives, GF's, etc.?
I'm tempted to buy a 155 GPO for my wife but interested to hear if there are any other ladies out there who have skied the smaller sizes.
My sister has a 165 (or a 155, can't remember for sure?), she absolutely adores those sticks. Any time it's even remotely soft she prefers those over her PnR's even just for groomer zoomin. If she could only have one ski, that'd be it.
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Awesome, that's exactly what I was hoping to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by eskido
Schralph they need positive input because they are big and fatt, they have to be guided a little, not enough and you can get caught a little behind, you need to have a couple turns ahead in your sites and ski like you mean it. Real fast or real slow they are easiest. In between speeds, like hesitating, we'll you better make up your mind are you really trying to go fast or.... For you though just build some confidence at a slower rate and lower angle. Keep that up when you pick up the speed and steepness. Should be able to turn those babies sideways at any rate of speed anywhere anytime to scrub, just have to get light. They really ski best when you can create that "light feeling" between every turn even if you keep them railed.
My g/f 5'7" ~ 125 lbs loves her 165 GPOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
And her 177 Protests.
Have a friend looking for a pair of 175 GPOs. Anyone's GF/wife/significant other holding?
Didn't ski my 187 veneers as much as I'd have liked last season because it was a shitty winter. Found myself wondering if I liked them as much as my 182 UL's I use for touring (which have slightly more pronounce rocker, and are better pure powder skis). Maybe, I wondered, I'd be better off with something more POW specific, then use my Cochises for skiing chop. After today I'm convinced the GPO's are the ski I want.
6-12" inches depending on aspect an elevation at Steamboat today. Skied some untracked in and out of trees. Skied chopped up pow and plain old chop. Skied pow bumps and plain old bumps. Skied a bit on chopped up groomers getting from A to B. Skis were phenomenal. The sweet spot is huge. The combination of stability and maneuverability are even better than I remembered. Even got hooted at by a some folks on a chairlift for being rad. Thanks GPO's! Skiing is fucking fun.
Nice!! Sold a lot of my skis. The gpo’s were the oldest of the quiver but are one of two I’ve kept. Still ski like new
I think mine are from the pre- numerical flex #’s. Any one know what the stock flex was Calle pre numbering system?
Yeah, but you won’t be able to pry them out of my wife’s hands!Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
It might depend on length. I think 182 and above the stock flex was medium-stiff which is 4 on the current scale. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breomonkey
That’s my recollection as well, but it would be great if someone could confirm.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveski
It was 4 flex (med-stiff)