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Ok. I got some tectons mounted and need to adj to my mtn boots.
I cranked up the din to 11and it was a pretty hard screw. until 8 it was fine, then it got quiet stiff. Guess thats normal when compressing the screw. Toe piece was specially difficult as the angle of aporoach is fucked up in my opnion. Or am I too stupid?
Second, anything i have to watch out for adj the heel piece? The heel catch lip should be snug. Correct? Rather a mil gap then overpressure...
Thanks guys.
It's easiest to set the toe DIN before you install the heel on the baseplate.
Did you try tightening the heel DIN screw with the heel cup snapped down, but without a boot in the binding? Can't remember if that helps with Tecton, but it helps a lot with Salomon STH heels, which are a somewhat similar design.
The heel position should be adjusted for maximum clamping on the boot heel, but with zero forward pressure. If you have forward pressure, it pushes on the toe wings and affects the return-to-center of the toe carriage. After setting the heel position with a boot in the binding, make sure the toe has nice smooth elasticity and quick return-to-center.
I'm curious to hear anyone's feedback on long term toe piece durability. Seems like there is a lot going in inside that toe, potential for things to get dirty, gummed up, not release as well as it should.
It's the same toe as the Vipec Evo, and both bindings have a pretty good track record. I've experienced no major issues with mine (other than slight icing, but that happens on virtually every binding), and I've skied them probably 50 days now in and out of bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebob
Been rocking my Vipec toes for 4 seasons now and no problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebob
Yeah the toe adjustment screw is in a less than optimal place. But at least it's oversized and you can use a flat head or a #3 pozi. (unlike Salomon Wardens where you need a size bajillion flat head)Quote:
Originally Posted by nordekette
Pozi #3 is the way to go. I was to lazy to get it : () from my bag! Way more easy.
Thanks Tgapp and NorCalNomad. Good to hear.
I’ve run Tectons since they came out, and sell a bunch of them. The only issue I’ve seen is the brake assembly breaking when they’re packed full of ice and then stomped into the lock position. To avoid this, get into the habit of pushing the brake pedal down, and then put the binding into tour mode to gently lock them into place.Quote:
Originally Posted by natebob
^ That breakage happens even if there's no ice, definitely push down the brake pedal by hand prior to shifting into tour mode. The Fritschi video showing someone stomping the brake was a bad idea.
I changed my toe pieces out yesterday from the old version to the new one. I just thought to share some shots of the change. The toe stopper pad have beed widened and reduced in thickness so it now gives a greater range of motion in walk mode. Very appreciated since I found the old version to be a bit tight at times. The boot dent problem might not disappear totally, but the risk of it happen is definately reduced.
I tested the lateral release also btw in the situation where the heel releases upward in a rotating movement, but when you are not going quick enough over the handlebars. Very unlikely maybe, but still, it can happen atleast in theory. If the heel releases after a hard impact on a slope, and you don´t fall over forward, but step down, you will most likely not get into the heel piece again because of the twisting forces applied. So you will stand ontop of the binding. If you in this moment get a rotational backwards fall, the release forces of the toe piece are very high. You would think they would release easily like other pin bindings, but it takes quite a brutal force actually to make it release. The toe wings never fold out then and the forces are so high that I thought I was going to brake the binding before it released. It also caused a quite big scratch in the boot's metal inserts and plastic around it. I highly doubt that my knee would make it through such an incident.
Anyway, here´s the upgrade:
New vs old
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I don't get why they walked away (forgive the pun :P) from the older design (Vipec black and earlier, evo was when they changed) that still released your toes in a forward fall even in "semi locked" mode.
Brake sizing doesn't seem to have changed, I just mounted a "L" aka "100mm" aka "fits up to about 108mm" (per BD) on a pair of 112s and it's a perfect, as-if custom, fit to the ski. Any bigger would have interference but it clears and opens fine, no bending.
Question for those that have mounted their own.
I don’t see a template other than the Wildsnow copy. It’s pretty basic. How have you figured out your length with no bsl measurements on the template?
I’ve mounted other bindings successfully with the handy templates found on here. Can anyone help please?
Same template as the Vipec. And no BSL measurement is fine if you just do some careful measuring and dry fitting. And if you're mounting your own bindings you're not going to notice if it's a mm or 2 off.
I'll dig one up that I published a while back.
Thx much. I would appreciate that. I was surprised it’s not in the template page w how popular Vipecs areQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
I thought I put it there. I'll do so now, but here's that link to save you a few clicks: https://galibierdesign.com/images/ot...Vipec_Thom.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by montpow
Usual disclaimer applies ... do a test mount.
... Thom
It can be found in Knut's library
https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...yYY6Gg2a3Dd245
Vipec mount pattern aka #3
Thx for both. I’ll play around w them and see which one works best
One thing that came to my attention a while ago (irrespective) of template, is to pay attention to where your toe inserts are located relative to the boot toe.Quote:
Originally Posted by montpow
I drew mine for my Zero-Gs (10mm offset).
I think Powderguide uses 15mm.
That's one more reason to do a test mount. If your correcting (changing) it's all too frequent that we add 5mm (or whatever) instead if subtracting it.
... Thom
Read through most of this thread, apologies if this has been asked and I missed it.
I noticed some lateral play in the toe pieces of my Tecton's this weekend. I've put them through about 4 tours and 4 resort days so far. I noticed the play for the first time yesterday, while sitting on the chair and swinging my skis. After getting home I played around a little and found the following:
- With an empty binding in ski mode there is maybe 1 or 2 mm of lateral play in the pin carriage system. This is audible as well as visual.
-With the boot in and in ski mode this is similar. Maybe less audible.
-In walk mode, there is no susceptible play. Both with and without the boot in the binding
I did not feel the play while skiing, only on the lift. Skied all day at Alpine Meadows, hit a few small drops, skied some bumps. Things felt ok. No releases.
What amount of play do you all notice in your toe pieces? Has this been there all along and I'm just noticing it now? I did switch boots this year (Scarpa Maestrale to Hoji Free) and I thought maybe this was related to pin width adjustment. However, I popped the Scarpas in last night and I was able to replicate the same amount of play.
Anyone had Hoji pro tours in Tecton?
Limited range of motion but still usable or is it totally out the question?
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Is there enough play that we could see it on a video? I have three pairs of Tectons and they've all felt rock solid, but I guess I haven't tried to put my boot on there and wiggle them. They do have some lateral movement in the toe, but that's a good thing, of course.
This is my third season on Tectons with Maestrales (old version), skiing maybe 20 lift service days and 20 touring days each year and there is no noticeable play in the toes. Is the entire toe carriage moving or just the pin arms?
The entire toe carriage is moving. TahoeJ, you should be able to see it on video, at least the side of the carriage sticking out a hair. I'll film when I get back from work tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by telemon10
Huh I've had my second gen's for a basically 5 years and don't have 2mm of slop. And not to call you out but I feel like most people can't eyeball 1-2mm so it'd be interested to see a video.
I picked up Tectons for my wife and I this fall and have been noticing similar toe play issues. I've noticed some vagueness on groomers and my wife commented on a "loose boot" feel sunday despite well fitting boots. Here are some videos verifying with both pairs and 4 different boots all with certified inserts (zzero, tlt6, f80 and maestrale rs2). I can also get some play with no boot in the binding:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ScCtg68q8XScA7nb6
This clearly looks like the centering springs (toe carriage) and not poor mating between the pins and the boot inserts.Quote:
Originally Posted by hillmap
... Thom
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eScJkXRt6tP7JNkx5
^ Here is a video of the play I was referencing. Sound on helps as the play is pretty audible. You can see visible play with and without the boot in ski mode. In walk mode the play is not present.
hillmap, looks like it is pretty similar to what you were seeing.
I agree, is this a known thing for the Tecton?Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
If it's a known thing it's not widely reported, but who knows. Can you do it with the boot in there? Sometimes a binding will act differently when engaged... I think, I just made that up. ;-)
no - what the videos show is not a known issue with Tectons - or Vipecs. I would call/email Black Diamond / Fritschi and have them give their take on it. Probably a warranty issue.
I checked both of my pairs, neither did what the two videos showed - though both are first year Tectons, and not the current toe like you guys have. I do not have any current gen Tectons anymore - so can't check it. However, I did notice that the din setting on one my toes was off, so thanks for making me check :)
Yeah none of those videos show a problem. It's a manufacturing tolerance for having toe elasticity, basically the reason why they ski leaps and bounds better than static pin bindings.
Elasticity means there's resistance to motion. The ones I watched looked like clearance, not elasticity.
ETA: just checked my Vipec Evos (same as first gen Tecton IMS) and no sign of free play but if I push really hard I can start to see movement. So I would call what I'm seeing elasticity. Knowing how hard someone is pushing in a video is tough, but I thought I detected firm stops to that motion in the videos. Whereas on mine they remain elastic: push harder and they move further (though I really had to look carefully to see it--they're predictably stiff).
what the vids show isn't the elasticity at work, but seem to be play.
Again, I would just contact BD and get their take on it. Their warranty responses seem to be pretty damned fast wrt Tectons/Vipecs. :)
I understand toe elasticity is a major feature of the tecton, but I don't think this much play is from fit-up tolerances. Do your tecton toes have this much lateral play before encountering resistance? Sounds like a lot of others are not seeing this in their toe pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
I've reached out to BD support/warranty with the video to ask for their thoughts. I'll update here when I hear back from them.
Talked with BD yesterday and emailed them the video. They agree something seems wrong and said they will replace under warranty. Currently going through the claim process.
anyone need smaller brakes? I have a pair of 90mm looking for 110mm (109 waist)
I'l trade you, I have a set. Throw me a PMQuote:
Originally Posted by lookinback
I've seen in this thread that brakes run large?
So do I buy 100mm or 110mm for 112mm skis?
Seems like 100mm?
I have 100 mm brakes on 116 waisted skis now with very slight stretching. They run huge.
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