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Imho that depends on what you are wanting in this ski, your size and how fast you ski. I have ProTest for deep days so this is my up to 8” of new and chopped up pow mobbing ski so I’m going 4/5.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I always felt my Hybrid Lhasa could be a little stiffer. When really mashing the gas pedal I could feel the tip fold some on cut up snow so the stiffer flex should alleviate that completely.
Totally agree as tip fold(amongst a couple other issues) was the deciding factor in my brother selling his 1st year Llasa. Folded the tip on what was quickly turning into an epic day. New snow was over ice though. Ran that tip into submerged ice bump and BOOM--- shattered collarbone. He said he could totally feel the tip fold before getting slammed head first into next ice bumpQuote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
The ski can accommodate soft or stiff, fast or slow preferences. If you really push a ski hard, and charge the hell out of it, go 4/5 stiff. If you're a little older or slower and want a great pow/goop ski, go with the 3/4. This ski slays wet crap really, really well.
A big concern in developing a softer tip is that the leading edge doesn't catch and release on hard snow, which leads to an uncomfortable unpredictability in the behavior of the ski. tuco - are you saying a stiffer tip would have plowed through that ice? Or just deflected or gone over it? I know Moles did his knee on a stump or chunk of ice hidden in the pow on a metal ski. Every circumstance is it's own situation.
God knows I've gone over the bars hitting rocks and ice on a lot of skis and have felt the Lhasa tip fold up and get the waist of the ski on top of some obstacles rather than hit the wall to a dead stop double ejection. We did stiffen the tip after the first gen Lhasas.
Not through it(I accidentally hit an ice block once and almost tore my hip outta socket, I don't recommend it).Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
No, this was new snow over an icy mogul field. Rammed the tip into the leading edge and the tip folded. Stiffer tip would have gone over top of it. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have eaten total shit anyhow. I didn't see any of it as I was waiting down at the chair wondering, WTF? Finally the dude came skiing up, said we gotta go! Said he totally felt the tip fold.
I added to my post that we stiffened the tip after the first gen because it was a touch too soft after feeling some grab/release on the hard.
FWIW, after he go hurt, I skied them quite a bit. Even had DKAlaskan ask me for change @ the top of Powderhorn on the last day of season. Had a lot of good runs on them. They really, really liked being pointed straight down the fall line.
Those were 186s, yes?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
I did this on a pair of 189 Wren 108s last year. Literally first run on them too. First lap on new skis. One of the skis actually snapped.. Luckily didnt get hurt, but I remember thinking mid-fall, “I’m about to get hurt”.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
I immediately thought afterwards, “why did I sell my 191 Wrens”
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Uh, wut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuse
Yup. First 10 seconds on the ski. Didnt do anything I wouldnt normally.
Got me a bit spooked on Wren 108s for sure, I could have gotten really hurt. It wasnt cuz the wren design though, It was just an anomaly I think.
Never ever broken another ski like that in my life. I am fat though, so I guess its possible even with my mere mortal skill set. On3p obviously helped me out with a new pair, and I shipped the the old single working ski off to one of their athletes. Very, very rare to happen to any ski, but I have bought enough of them that it was bound to be me!
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Don't do this to me. I love to feel the front of my boots ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
... Thom
I'd pick a set of these as well if they were made.Quote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
Just left Praxis. Keith and I had one last pow wow before pressing. This nose folding shit won't be an issue. With enough ordered, we decided the sale ends on the 15th. Period. There will be no extra 191s pressed, so I'm now in for three pair after fondling the first pair some more .
(keith doesn't make pure carbon fiber on wood core skis, guys......just sayin'
my gf about kicked my ass for selling that blue base rockered carbon pair someone (detrusor?) resold here a few months ago)
Just for the record, the nose folding issue I was referring to is nothing like hitting a giant ice mogul and folding up the ski, hell, every ski can do that. Mine was just a slight annoyance in heavy chop where the nose would push back causing a slight braking feeling. I wanted something to just plow through without issue, hence my stiffer build.
If this is aimed at the 179 carbon Bro lust, I think we'd all be fine with the enduro + veneer + carbon (or maybe UL but most people I know prefer the enduro + carbon, even for a pure touring ski). They'll be light enough. Totally understood that Praxis doesn't offer a full carbon build, but the dims on that ski are dope -- it's super hard to find a touring ski under 100 mm with a long radius, minimal taper, and a touch of tip rocker. Hence the interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
I guess it is good to be a Meadow Skipper. My original 196 LP's drove like a frickin tank, but I was never doing any high speed shredding either :fm: Crashing into a big tree cured me of trying to turn and burn in pow (fucking oouch)
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Looks dialed to me in these photos.
That tail looks hot to me! Got blood-flow
Yes, it was aimed at you and mall walker. :) The 179 Bro filled a nice niche for a lot of different reasons. I hope Keith and I can bring back some of the killer models over time. I have all the faith in the world in him. I'd really like to do a Bya run myself. Super under-exposed under-rated 184 and it was our last ski, the brainchild of the last French engineering intern, Francois. He designed the Byas for that French freeskier balls to the walls stuff and added a little extra nose for pow. It really fukkin works. I've been skiing it for the last three seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Francois was a ripper and I wanted him to ski the Kusalas. He tried to arc about four turns down Cornice at Mammoth on a sheet of ice on the Kusalas. He lost it halfway down and shot off those rocks at the bottom and slid onto the race course. He designed the Byas for that kind of skiing with a little extra nose for pow and they are really quick edge to edge.
Love it. I would love to see the entire ski sitting on a flat surface to get a good idea of the rocker lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Just my take as I’ve never been on a pair, but I think this ski screams Thom. Seems to be a very transcendent design that most likely prefers some shin pressure but allows one to stand up and ski from the foot. My overly read understanding is that they’ll respond in kind to user input as opposed to drive the user to a specific input. I’d bet you could A+B the Quixote without much adjustment and do the same with a much more traditional charger. Doubt it’d make you fall in love with the Protest or Concept though... couple more days on those Protests though might still just change your lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Then you will love this ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
Looks $$$ AF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
Wasn't trying to insinuate tip fold would be an issue. A question was posed from a dude that, as I remember, is also a bigger dude. I, like the funkmaster, think that a stiffer build would be the ticket. That fold over experience was atypical, but, as was pointed out here, not by me, the tip of the Llasa is a touch flexy. That 'slight annoyance' of braking can get weird, especially in difficult snow or situations where you have to get the ski perpendicular to the fall line(still in funky snow). I've had people tell me that the Llasa flex is their goldilocks flex, so like any of this shit, IMHO. Hence why I thought Pretzel might like a stiffer build.Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
I don't think 'every ski' would have folded in that situation, but that is neither here nor there at this point. Nobody is blaming the ski for an injury, hell the reality is, it could have been much worse +the ski didn't break.
On another note, that tail looks dialed AF!
Now Splat, about those Kusala's…...:biggrin: