I still wanna try a fresh new pair of 191 M6 Mantras before they get hard to find. I have a feeling I'd love them as my super firm snow ski. They aren't too thin but thin enough to feel significantly more nimble in bumps than Katana 108s.
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I still wanna try a fresh new pair of 191 M6 Mantras before they get hard to find. I have a feeling I'd love them as my super firm snow ski. They aren't too thin but thin enough to feel significantly more nimble in bumps than Katana 108s.
Someone went and left a unicorn at the ski swap and I was the first one in the building. Overpay or not, these are immaculate and now freshly mounted.
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I will happily enjoy skiing these, but if you're holding onto a 2013 of similar (or even inferior) quality I will gladly trade them for it.
I saw a set of 190cm Gotama Tokyo nights graphic at a thrift shop for $25. Some top sheet chipping but the bases and edges were clean. If anyone wants them I'm happy to grab them and ship them to you for cost.
You are not wrong about the M6-K108 combo. My 6’ 1” 215-lb ski buddy has that same setup and loves the M6 in that firm conditions role. They are a good bit lighter and more nimble compared to the K108.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
I like my M6's a lot but I wouldn't plan on them being good bump skis. Unless you can turn any bump effortlessly already.
They are quick and turn short, very easily but I think their medium stiffness might push back too much.
Contrarily, it's the fastest turner I have and in a 184, I might manage some bumps fairly handily. If you paid me...
Also, talked to a local OG racer friend and he said 2 hard locals have delammed the M6 right where the titanal sheets were changed to a 3 part section instead of 1.
I'ma say bumping would ask for that.
Christ, I'm volkl heavy right now. One M6, two M102's and a Revolt 114. I need some spancership booty.
Not saying it's common but I've seen a fair number of these...the top edge is/was finished too square and the frame catches on edges and other things. I talked to Volkl tech guy about it, I mean we spend hours rounding profiling race ski topsheet edges to stop edges from catching when tips/tails get crossed so why not one more sanding pass at 45* or something at the factory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Djongo Unchained
When I'm talking about the M6 Mantras bump performance, I just mean compared to Katana 108s. Not compared to more maneuverable skis in the 95-100mm category. Katana 108 tips are huge, and can sometimes be unwieldy in super tight and big moguls.
Whenever I'm on the Katana 108s, I get this feeling all their attributes would feel better if enhanced and in a thinner ski. One that is still heavy and should still have a good platform feel underfoot (I like wider skis). A la M6 Mantra.
I don't have that many days on my K108s, but I have absolutely smashed them around through rocks and roots and branches. Mine are handling this like a champ!
The M6 and the K108...
King Kong V. Godzilla
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A friends dad has these just sitting in their garage, and lets me ski them every time I'm in town to visit. Still won't sell them to me though...
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Originally Posted by SnakeMagnet
Old katanas are one of my favorite skis of all time. They still make the VWerks, I wish they still made small runs of a heavy resort charger version of that. They'd sell what, maybe 50 pairs of them. You never know, full rocker might make a slight comeback, the designs really do have their place in a quiver as a tool for certain conditions (or daily drivers for some rippers).
Picked up a pair of last years Kendo 88, thinking of going +1 on them. Will I die?
I had my Kendos, and M102, mounted on the forward line.Quote:
Originally Posted by rightcoast
When I took the M6 demo out a coulple years ago, I didn't like them. Felt dead, not fun. Slid the bindings up to the forward line and bam, came alive. Mounted them on the forward line ever since.
M7, though, middle line was the ticket. Going to run the M7 demo a little on all the lines when we get snow and see where to mount mine.
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Probably not. I like the rear line for the current batch of metal Volkls. That being said, the Kendo skied like it had a bit more splay/rocker in the front of the ski than the M6 or M102, which pushed the turn initiation point back a bit. Not sure how going forward would affect that, but thought I would mention it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rightcoast
Thanks for the info...fwiw I have m102s mounted on the line
Just picked up a cheap ($229 delivered) pair of last year's Revolt 96 as an early season groomer ski.
I like what I've read in the reviews and will only be using this as a directional ski, I'll never go in the park, spin or ski switch.
The recommended mount line on the skis is just a hair back of true center.
Traditionally it was find true center, put the ball of your foot there and that puts my boot center at about 5 cm back from Volkl's recommended line.
Anyone ski this and have any thoughts on the mounting line?
Think I skied the demo we had about an inch back, maybe a little more.Quote:
Originally Posted by powpig
It won't hurt to run it back -3 or -4. Carves pretty good when mounted back.
For the record, I clicked the Griff demos back a few clicks and didn't look where they exactly ended up.
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Any insight as to how a Blaze 106w might be for a newer skier (stbmrstgapp) in soft snow conditions (as a Japan one ski quiver)? Volkl sale is poppin' off, and the price is right. Not looking to spend a ton on these but I want to improve stbmrstgapp's experience here
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Do it. Great soft snow 50/50 ski, if such a thing exists. Picked a pair up last year to modernize the wifey bc rig, no complaints to date. Fat tips plans up, low camber lets tails release in funky snow. At black friday price it’s a no brainer for an advancing intermediate headed to Japan imo.
Just picked up some 2024 191 Revolt 121’s for myself and some 163 Secret 96’s for my daughter on the Black Friday blowout sale.
Looking forward to some smeary, floaty goodness to offer up to La Niña this season.
Man up and get her some BMT 109sQuote:
Originally Posted by tgapp
Blaze being available and $300 really pushes it ahead.
Thanks for the info. My daughter skied the 163 Secret 96 last year at Whistler and was really impressed. Problem was we couldn’t find that size at the end of the season. She will be transitioning from a Blizzard Black Pearl 98 of similar length. Hoping it will be an easy change and that the Secret 96 provides a little more versatility versus the somewhat planky BP 98.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvan
I've been thinking about adding some 191 Revolt 121s as well. SupreChicken's and some others review of them mentioned some tip dive, but then others mentioned they were great resort powder skis. At their current price they are worth a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Do you think it’d be stupid for me to size down to 184s, as super jibby pow slashers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Yeah. My 6’ 1” 160-lb buddy skied the 184 and said he could not believe how short they felt. He also skis a 193 Shiro for reference. It’s a big, deep day kind of ski. Go long.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
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Makes sense. 191 it should be! I’d like to mount them -1 to get rid of some tail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I'm 6'2, 185 and generally prefer K108 or M102 type of skis so mounted these -2.5 or 3 from recommended and didn't feel any weirdness or loss of playfulness or agility.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
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Interesting. Sometimes I’ve found center mounted powder skis that are long and heavy to be a handful in tight spaces in deep snow. Especially if they are stiffer. I got an oddly stiff pair of 2015 19X BentChetlers that I hated in pow trees. Loved it for big mountain versus softer 19X Automatics, but preferred Automatics in trees. When going long, I usually prefer more directional, or at least progressive ( -6 through -12 mount) pow skis, like Declivity X/Automatic…but enjoy center mounted fatties when shorter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robik
I mainly want the Revolts for tight spaces and to be surfier/jibbier than 186 Blackops 118s, which is why I was initially considering 184s. I think they are soft enough that the 191s will work, especially if I can mount a little further back.
I may be reaching with these skis, trying to make them work, but I’ve wanted to try them for a while and the price is ridiculous.
The big revolts are not jibby skis, that goes from 104 and up, maybe even the 96. Like they are no plank, but the blops is a softer flex than a 121, but heavier and therefore more work.
If you want them to dance like Bonafide noodles like visions or the modern chet, they need aggression and energy.
I am a larger dude at 6’2” 215lbs. I absolutely love BO118s, and find them making me ski super creative. It’s just when I get them in the air they have one of the worst swingweights I’ve ever felt. I actually wish they were 2-3cm longer, without getting rid of weight. I ski similarly heavy skis that are longer, but feel lighter on my feet. BOs feel like 191 Monster 108s in the air for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeMagnet
The 2025 Reckoner 124s definitely look like they’d suit me better, being softer and a bit more directional. Those and HL FR120. Revolts being so cheap caught my attention though.
Blops are fat, thick all over. Revolts definitely cut the thickness on the ends and focus it underfoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by forumskier
So 184's are not going to do it for ya, despite the splay they don't plane up in soft as expected.
Even with the 191s, I might be forcing something that shouldn’t happen. I’m itching for a 120-125 ski, but I know from experience the saying “buy cheap, buy twice”
I stayed away from the 121 since I wasn’t convinced I could jive with a more progressive mounted powder ski. I’ve been able to get along with a few modern shapes in deep snow over the past season, so I decided it was worth the gamble. We’ll see how that works out. At the blowout prices, I’m okay with being wrong.Quote:
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I’m trying really hard not to pick up a blowout cheap 192cm Blaze 114 for Euro trip this winter. Thinking it might be a budget VWerks Katana but haven’t convinced myself of that yet, thankfully.
Yo, they might be spot on... or not. If it's your ski for whatever you'll encounter, go for it! Snow conditions in Yurp four months away is still to be seen. The alps don't always deliver freshies...Quote:
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However, bring what ye luv, and enjoy. After all, it's
the archer, not the arrow!
Truth. And if I can’t rip it on a VWerks Katana, I shouldn’t be skiing it. Whatever “it” is. I’ll save the cash for a guided day… money better spent.Quote:
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I'm not a fortune teller, but I think you've got "it"...Quote:
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You see that shovel #? That’s one big muthaQuote:
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Yep, I was thinking of the big Blaze 114 as a powder day only ski… and a Hobbit like me on a 192cm in those wide open spaces had me dreaming of billowing blower up over the shoulders. Not sure if a Blaze (even a 192) wouldn’t start to fold up at speed.Quote:
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