Still did not mount new son's ski. Internets are useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offwidth
Time for making my own.
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Still did not mount new son's ski. Internets are useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Offwidth
Time for making my own.
FWIW- I can confirm the dimensions on the paper template for the Kingpin is specific to a 302mm BSL.
All of the actual binding hole measurements are DNO and accurate though.
Does anyone have a template for a salomon alpine demo binding? Have been looking everywhere for them. I'm mounting an Atomic FFG 14 Demo.
Thanks!
Yeah I have used the search function and still can't find what I need.
Solly 810 Ti demos. Bindings are probably 07ish. Any advice mags?
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Originally Posted by Mickey de Haas
Sorry guys, I haven't seen a Solly Demo template on the internet. Support your local ski shop?Quote:
Originally Posted by TransplantedFromRMNP
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Originally Posted by Mickey de Haas
Here's what you do after reading the mount your own skis thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by TransplantedFromRMNP
1)Open and drink beer
2)Stencil the hole pattern onto a sheet of paper.
3)Do some measuring.
4)Mount your bindings.
5)Post pics of the finished product.
Step one is the most important. Good luck and mount your own fucking skis.
or you:
1)Open and drink beer*
2)Consult powderguide.com for a template.
3)Mount your bindings.
4)Post pics of the finished product.
Still, step one remains of vital, utmost importance.
(* with exceptions and only upon senior maggot advice, alternative alcoholic beverages can be used for replacement)
Here is the link to all my templates: http://www.powderguide.com/community...montieren.html
You'll find under Salomon the Salomon Rental SC. As I only am aware of one mounting pattern for Solly rentals, I'd assume this is the one you need.
However, the use of the template isn't fully straight forward, when the intention of mounting a rental binding is to be able to change the midsole position for one given BSL. Unfortunately it's a few years since I made that template and mounted the bindings and I didn't note down the toe/heel edge position for the binding when it's set in the middle of the adjustment range.
If you want to use it for it's purpose, i.e. to be able to adjust for different BSL's, then you're golden, though.
NICE! That should be the mounting template needed for Salomon Demo / Rental bindings. It's worth noting that over years Salomon has made a few bindings with the Quadrax toe and the Rental Heel. In that case, someone would need to combine heel pattern from the Demo template with the standard Salomon retail binding template listed on page 1 of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
Sweeet!!! Thanks a lot for the template! I endend up combining the normal toe with the demo heel. Turned out perfect! Thanks again!!!
Happy to help.
Good to know. I'll have a look whether the 2nd pattern can be included into the template. Thanks or the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by skimaxpower
Maybe I have just not stumbled on it but is there a heel template for the Salomon STH 2 WTR 13? The templates I have found the screw holes are not wide enough. Any help?
Check out the link 4 posts above yours. The Salomon STH2 template listed on that page should be what you're looking for.
Here's a drawing of the Salomon 900-series & STH-Driver pattern. It's not a template, just precise measurements that have been used on a vertical mill many times, with perfect results in metal, wood and skis.
http://phototurbo.com/ski/salomon-st...ll-pattern.jpg
EDIT: Made some slight adjustments to the heel measurements Nov 2015.
I've been meaning to post my templates for sth2 for a while. I'll try to monday
Ima fixing to mount some Rossi Axial 3s for a friend on her killer STP deal skis. Anyone have a reason not to use the the Axial 2 template? Or a caution about that? Seems to line up at first glance.
I'd be surprised if the hole pattern would vary just slightly. A binding manufacturer would nromally be well advised to keep a pattern (all retail partners with jigs will be grateful), or change it substantially, so that mix-ups and failed mounts are less likely.
Rossi should be long enough in the game to know that and therefore I'd say: if it lines up, it's the right pattern.
But test-mounting on a piece of wood first has never done any harm.
Just my 2-pence
Following up my own post to say that the Axial 2 template linked above works perfectly for the Axial 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
A pleasant afternoon's work knocking out a couple of those STP summer deals - one for me, one for a friend:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...pstyrmnozo.jpg
just in case i'm too high to get it right: for the kingpin template for 302 BSL I should just add 9.5 mm in front and behind midsole line to get 321 BSL. right?
Hey guys,
I'm looking for the paper template for Kingpin, I have scanned the thread but could not locate.
Thanks!
Check out Wildsnow.Quote:
Originally Posted by boboxx
Sweet thanks Alpinord!
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Originally Posted by Alpinord
It probably sounds obvious since you'll have the bindings in hand, but that 5th (center) hole goes to the heel piece. That template is correct, but could be misinterpreted.
Checkout here under Marker/Kingpin: http://www.powderguide.com/community...tx_mmforum_pi1[pid]=seite#pid7410
is there a vipec template any where or even any pertinent mounting instructions, its for a friend
Those are really nice template Knut!
Edit: Knut looking at the template it looks like the toe hole pattern is off, the width should be 38mm but they are actually 36mm a part.
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Originally Posted by Knut
Anyone interested in putting some holes in a 2x4 to test a template? I put together a Beast 14 one for my 330 bsl and threw a scale on there to adjust it for smaller boots, but don't have anything < 28.5 with which to test.. Shoot me a pm if interested!
Under the same link mentioned above you'll find my vipec template. But please use with caution, it hasn't been verified by a second successful mount yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyb
Cheers, mate!Quote:
Originally Posted by boboxx
Very good catch and what a horrible mistake. Seems that during editing something went wrong and it wasn't the final file version that got saved. Fixed now & new version uploaded. Thanks a ton for pointing that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by boboxx
(Template on post #909).Quote:
Originally Posted by YoEddy
I just did a quick test mount on a piece of wood and I'm not sure that it is 302mm. My boots are 304mm and I adjusted toe and heel templates 1mm each (definitely moved them the correct directions) and my midsole ended up at +9mm. I also double-checked the measurement of the line on my boot and it's correct.
Also the template put the heel about 1/3 of the way into the track (can go 10 clicks smaller and 17 clicks bigger so about -9/+16mm). Some Salomon bindings are meant to end up like that so maybe that's how the Kingpin is meant to be too but I want to figure that out so that I know I can fit a 315mm boot in there in the future and also leave a little extra adjustment at each end (sounds good how I described, but I'll double check).
I did do it quickly but pretty sure I positioned everything correctly so +9mm is unexpected. My print scaling is definitely correct. It was pretty soft wood I did this on and the middle heel screws were pulling out, so I'll do a better practice on an old ski soon. Anyone else tried with this template?
EDIT: I just overlayed Knut's template with this one and if Knut's BSL scale is correct then this template is for a 300mm BSL. Still doesn't explain my +9mm. Hmm.
Finding the Midsole or actually determining exactly the distance between the holes and the sole stop is always the hardest thing of making a template. So it's easily happening that when measuring the binding, the midsole position is only within <1cm precise, as is the heel unit position and with it adjustment range.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC
I am happy to adjust the template accordingly, if there's a consensus that the toe is mounted too much forward.
My mounting method anyway differs a bit: I generally put the boot on the desired position onto the ski and then place the templates in such a way that toe and heel edge of the template align with the boot and fix them with tape.
Placing the Binding (at least the front unit) onto the template by aligning the holes and then putting the boot in gives generally a very good idea if the mount will be spot on ( I personally don't give a rat's fart if the midsole is a few mm off). Then I drill through the template and ski directly. I don't measure anything, actually, when mounting.
I tried to get on your website but it always times out and I can not get to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
Easiest thing to do is mount it on a 2x4. Measure the distance from the toe piece holes to the mid sole on the boot, because that won't change. Then just adjust the distance the heel piece is from the midsole mark so it's centered in its adjustment range. Takes 20 minutes if you're being particular about it
Sorry to hear that!Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyb
Unfortunately, it's not my website. I'm just a forum moderator there. But I forwarded the note of your trouble.
However, it currently works fine for me. Maybe just try again on occasion.
will do
Yep. I did a rough mount on a piece of wood before posting about the midsole discrepancy. Will do a more precise mount on an old ski then a final test with the corrected position before drilling my real skis, and will post my findings about the template adjustment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
So I just did a better Kingpin test mount using the template from post #909 for a Vulcan 304mm, on an old ski and taking my time more. Print scaling and boot midsole line were double-checked before I started, all good. I moved the templates 9mm back on the ski, both toe and heel, and the boot midsole mark lined up to my line on the ski this time. The heel is definitely out though - the track can adjust safely 6.5mm smaller and 19mm bigger, so the heel is mounted 6.25mm too far back (assuming that you want the heel in the middle of the track).
So for the midsole centred and the heel in the middle of the track, assume that the template's 302mm is true, adjust toe & heel to your actual boot length, then position the toe template another 9mm towards the tail of the ski and heel template another 2.75mm towards the tail of the ski.
(The above paragraphs have now been edited to improve clarity, and my maths was previously incorrect for the adjustments).
I have old holes to dodge and might be able to reuse the rear heel holes, plus want to be able to accommodate a 315mm WTR sole in the future, so I’ll figure all of that out when I take the Plums off and see how the old holes lie.
Just to get this straight: by - you mean further towards the tail and by + further towards the tip of the ski?
I'm asking because I find this very confusing. If a BSL midline position is e.g. 102cm from the tip, then +9mm leads to a position further back, resulting in 102.9 cm.
Even less sense does this use of +/- make, when talking about the heel position in the track.
If you have it mounted for 304mm and can go back (towards the tail, I.e. increase the BSL) 6.5mm while you can move it forward 19 mm, then you can fit in BSLs from 285 (304 -(!) 19) to 310.5 (304 +(!) 6.5).
Yeah I re-read it. My +/- had confused things, plus my maths was off. I'll edit my previous post now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
To put it simply, the standard template puts the toe 9mm too far forward on the ski and the heel 2.75mm too far forward on the ski, assuming that you want the heelpiece in the middle of the track.
I don't have a printer here so I'm working with the standard templates I printed while visiting my parents and just moving those on the ski, but I'll make a corrected version of the template anyway for someone to verify.
Cheers, mate
So, this is correct, then?
Sorry to be so nitpicky on this, but I am normally craving for any input I can get to improve my templates for accurancy. And although you used another template and thus I'm a bit highjacking here, I'm still garteful for the input as I think that precise templates is all we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by LC
No, I'm right :D. I think. I had to think about this myself and got a bit confused with it. Even writing the paragraph below confused me a bit again but I'm sure this is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnutSo, this is correct, then?
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Originally Posted by LC
After mounting for my 304mm boot from the stock template the heel could adjust 6.5mm smaller and 19mm bigger on the track. So it would adjust to 297.5-323mm. If my aim was to have the heel in the middle of the track then I would want 12.75mm adjustment each way from 304mm, so a 291.75-316.75mm range would be my goal. Therefore the stock template gives you a mount for a larger boot than you desire, ie. the heel is too far back relative to the toe, and should be moved 6.25mm forward relative to the toe to compensate. All this after moving both toe and heel 9mm back from the stock positions, so the net result is that the toe should be moved 9mm back and heel should be moved 2.75mm back. This makes sense in my head anyway!
I'll draw up a more accurate template soon. Someone should verify it because like I said I don't have a printer and am just using the original templates I have already printed but compensating their positions. I'm pretty sure my measurements are accurate but those should be checked too from someone on a test mount. Knut if you want to improve your own template based on the one I make then sure go ahead. Likewise if anyone wants to rework it into the same style as the others on the first post of this thread after it is verified, no problem.
Got ya. Thanks.
Obviously, it was me that got it wrong this time.