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sounds like the wren 98 is the ticket for the conditions you face regularly, great all around ski that i find does just fine in fresh up to 6"Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleBeaver
think there's a pair of wren 98's for sale in gs right now
as far as length, im always wishing my skis were longer, ymmv
Those 98 wrens in 184 are mine. If you tele maybe I can sell them flat. They have two mounts now but the pattern may be clean for tele bindings. PM me if you’re interested.
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I guess the real question is: Which is more stable when maching through a slightly bumpy/choppy runout: a 188 pb&j or a 184 wren 98/96?Quote:
Originally Posted by detuned
The pb&js, even with their forward mount, are pretty damn good at straighting it through some chop, but get defelected a bit due to their light weight. I would like their replacement to be a bit better for this, but I don't need them to be absolute monsters since I am still trying to ski lots of bumps and steeps where a bigger ski is a lot to handle.
My logic is that the added stiffness, traditional mount, and flatter tail of the wrens will lead the 184s to be more capable in a straightline than the 188 pb&js, but a bit easier to spin, ski bumps, and make jump turns than the 189 wrens. I'm trying to preserve some playfulness by going shorter. These skis will be complimented by a 190ish fat ski (deathwish?) for the deep or especially soft/sendy days. Tell me this logic is stupid so I can buy those sexy black 189s in gear swap.
I have no experience with PB&J’s but some past experience on Bibbys. That and based on your stature and desires would make me say you should go 184. I would guess they would be more maneuverable but still charge reasonably well.
However, with regards to the sexy black 189’s, the heart wants what the heart wants.
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Originally Posted by TeleBeaver
Took my 1.5 SG's to the Bird yesterday for the opening of Mineral and Powder Paradise. Four feet of snow compacted down by three days of wind, so it was deep in places and scratchy in places, but I figured out where the wind was putting the snow so it was a pretty epic day. The SG's allow me to charge in heavy chopped up snow in a way that would send me down the hill in a toboggan if I was using my Cochises. It's unreal how they smooth everything out. this is my second season on them, and they're pretty much my daily driver this season. Centered stance gives great stability but ridiculously easy turning in 3D snow, and a little bit of forward pressure on the ski boot tongue makes them rail the groomers. I will never not have a ski like this in my quiver ever again. I don't think I've ever been happier with a ski purchase. The old glory top sheets don't hurt either.
So how might the 186cm 2014 BG tours in gear swap compare to the new C&D (probably 189 length). C&D more stable, better in cut up, better in float? Also better on hardpack? BG tour more nimble and easy to throw around in tight places?
- different skis, other than maybe weight being somewhat similar/maybe/prolly notQuote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
- CD has the same straight sections of edge underfoot that the current BG has, so is very similar in hardpack to my 16/17 BG’s.
- CD better in float, low-angle, more stable/stompy, handles cut up the same as my 16/17 BG
- CD wildly nimble and easy to throw around in tight places/trees
Not sure it’s a fair or real close comparison, as the hardpack manners of the later BG’s (which was usually the cited downside to a BG in the earlier vintages) have directly translated to the new CD.
Shit, must have just missed you. Was doing exactly the same on my Old Glory SGs... couldn't be happier with my purchase also.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepHelmet
Those are my expectations. I'll report back when I get them mounted and in their "proper" environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muggydude
I still want C&Ds.
... Thom
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Felt like t-shirt or less weather today in WA.
First day on Wren 108s. Hasn’t snowed in over a week. Chalk bumps in the steeps. FKNA.
Heads-up that I'll be listing some minty tycoons in GS soon.
126/96/116. 26.5 radius. Kinda sorta like a current wren but less rocker, beefier/flatter tail, straighter. If you drive your skis, it's more funner on everything but powder, and if you are buying a 96-waisted ski for powder then this is not your ride.
Excellent shape, mounted w/STH2-13 on the line for 317 bsl.
If anyone is interested and wants to save me the hassle of posting in GS, shoot me a PM. Probably looking at $325 flat, add $100 for w/bindings, plus shipping or pick up if you're bay area local.
I think they're like 22m radius and 98mm underfoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
Good skis, I have a set and they rip.
Hmmm I was pulling R spec from here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
https://www.evo.com/skis/on3p-tychoon
Educate me on the 16/17 191 C&D. Basically have the mixed pow slot filled, looking for a big stick that won’t sink for those 10/10 every 5 year kind of days. Is this the ski I seek or would I better off on the newer c&d?
I demoed I think the 17/18 version (asym, dead guy topsheet) in moguls and hardpack groomers. It didn’t leave an impression that it was a quick or nimble ski but maybe it was the conditions? In 20” of maritime snow are these skis quick or do they still feel like bulldozers? Are these skis basically the same thing?
I have wren 113, Cham 117 and proto 118 so I have that middle pow missile range covered. I want something for those days you’re up to your waist and still thinking about them 5 years later.
Have been pondering the protest but after considering that I didn’t care much for the lotus 138 or the powder boards I am starting to get cold feet.
Should I hold out and try to get this years c&d somehow? If anyone has a pair but isn’t in love let me know, I’ll buy them.
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The 13/14 ON3P catalog agrees with you for the 186 length. 26.5m radius.Quote:
Originally Posted by optics
https://issuu.com/on3pskis/docs/1314catalog
PowTron did have some thoughts on 2018 vs 2019 C&Ds a few pages back.
Also, while getting them new might not be what you are looking for, ON3P has also three more 189s with the custom black top sheets in production/on the way - so fear not, the C&D partytrain has not left the station for good for this season :)
sorry if I just repeat stuff you've already read :)
Well he didn't state the model year. The 12/13 issuu agrees with me, so we're both right. Wasn't aware that they changed the design.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
These are what I have:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f2edebd30b.jpg
Or maybe I implied the year by way of stating the radius, knowing the buyer will be a connoisseur of these vintages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Additionally, I kinda don't want to do this but....considering unloading minty 189 2018 BG's.
I think I would need to be at like $550 flat, $700 w/STH2-16.
If anyone's hunting, PM me.
How would a custom 191 Kartel in Aeverflex handle for those looking for a twin tip charger?
Finally going to give my Wren108’s a true test at GT/JH this Sat-Wed......Have had it out a few times on the EC.....but most days I keep grabbing the Katanas.....
So...this trip I will finally get to see what I think the Wren can do in real snow. Looking forward to it, and hoping they rip like I think they do.
Shitty in the bumps?Quote:
Originally Posted by freerideskiing
I spit out my water at that... well played, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
:o:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MHSP1497