Moment Skis Discussion

For those who skied the regular DW and the DW 104. Are the skinny ones noticeably better in bumps / groomers than the regular ones? I am looking for ski to complement my regular Deathwish and the Line Blade. I like the Deathwish but only when there is a decent amount fo soft snow, I find them a bit borring/slow edge to edge on groomers and too fat in bumps. The Line Blade are great on groomers and mellow carvable bumps / offpiste but not so great when you need to skid your way around trees or bumps. So, I am looking for a ski that can be good on groomers and bumps / tree. I am torn between a Rustler 9/10 or a Deathwish 104.

Get the Meridian. If you already have a DW and a Line carving ski, what's the point of another groomer ski that does OK off piste or where ever? Meridian is all fun, everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Flippo

For those who skied the regular DW and the DW 104. Are the skinny ones noticeably better in bumps / groomers than the regular ones? I am looking for ski to complement my regular Deathwish and the Line Blade. I like the Deathwish but only when there is a decent amount fo soft snow, I find them a bit borring/slow edge to edge on groomers and too fat in bumps. The Line Blade are great on groomers and mellow carvable bumps / offpiste but not so great when you need to skid your way around trees or bumps. So, I am looking for a ski that can be good on groomers and bumps / tree. I am torn between a Rustler 9/10 or a Deathwish 104.

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I just picked up some shorter enforcer 94's for hard bump duty to supplement my DW104 if that says anything. 104's great for booking and boosting in soft spring conditions, tight hard bumps and ice is kind of a different use case.

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Originally Posted by Flippo

For those who skied the regular DW and the DW 104. Are the skinny ones noticeably better in bumps / groomers than the regular ones? I am looking for ski to complement my regular Deathwish and the Line Blade. I like the Deathwish but only when there is a decent amount fo soft snow, I find them a bit borring/slow edge to edge on groomers and too fat in bumps. The Line Blade are great on groomers and mellow carvable bumps / offpiste but not so great when you need to skid your way around trees or bumps. So, I am looking for a ski that can be good on groomers and bumps / tree. I am torn between a Rustler 9/10 or a Deathwish 104.

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104’s use a stiffer beech/poplar which gives it way better handling in the bumps and groomers. It doesn’t get pushed around like the 112 with the ash/poplar core.

you’d be very happy with the 104 as a quiver filler. I love mine.

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Originally Posted by Flippo

I am looking for a ski that can be good on groomers and bumps / tree. I am torn between a Rustler 9/10 or a Deathwish 104.

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You should buy my BC Daemons! Incredible bump ski that is uniquely fun on groomers. They would complement the DW and Blade well.


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Originally Posted by Kevo

Hello and welcome (hopefully) to the Church of Moment!

I ski the 190 DWT with Voyagers. It's my favorite touring ski of all time.

Mount on the line and IMHO detune tip and tail to the point where you can still carve but also pivot a bit when you want to. It's an amazing ski and very versatile, especially in 3D snow.

The DWT was my first Moment ski. After skiing it and falling in love I bought a DW, then a Wildcat and finally a DW 104. All are 190 CM. I'm 5'11'' and 200 lbs.

DWT is a dedicated touring ski for me. I use the DW for typical targhee days with soft snow and up to 8 inches inbounds. It doesn't have a limit for snow depth in the sidecountry, but at around 8 inches or so inbounds I start wanting the Wildcat for crud busting and extra dampness. DW 104 is a low tide and spring ski for me. It's so much fun in corn, but sometimes I wish it was a bit more damp for skiing low tide mid winter coral reef. I guess I need a metal ski for those conditions.

My fiancee is also a part of the cult now, with Sierras and Bellas (DW and Wildcats in women's dimensions). I'm working on getting her to ditch a pair of Line Pandoras for a pair of Sierra tours for her dedicated backcountry setup.

It may seem like a lot when you get started in the church, but it ends up being way less than 10% of gross income once you are set up.

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Thanks for weighing in. For whatever reason, you and Hick giving the thumbs up means more than some of the totally random internet reviews here. Even though in reality, you are both totally random internet people too.

I am really not tempted by a full rocker ski. I am more looking for a ski I can take with me when the conditions are variable. The DW 104 could fill that spot but I somewhat think that it long turning radius will make it very similar to its big brother and that a more classic ski like an enforcer, rustler or blade optic would be better.

Although I really quite like the CT I find myself longing for a DW again. It’s just such a damn fun ski. I should get one..

The cult is strong. I think the Deathwish 104 is a great compliment to the 112. Me and my father rock that. I have a GT as the big ski inbounds. The 104 is better on mogals and form snow IMO.

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Originally Posted by Flippo

I am really not tempted by a full rocker ski. I am more looking for a ski I can take with me when the conditions are variable. The DW 104 could fill that spot but I somewhat think that it long turning radius will make it very similar to its big brother and that a more classic ski like an enforcer, rustler or blade optic would be better.

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other than the triple camber it’s not really like the 112. Different cores, different shapes. The 104 is stiffer and is quicker not only edge to edge but also to pivot. Though they weight about the same

Am I crazy for wishing the Wildcat came in a 186-187 instead of 184/190? I have 108s in 184 which are amazing for anything from 4-10", but on deep days I find myself wishing for something a touch longer than the 184 WC116. The 184 116 worked well enough at Steamboat because nothing there is steep - I'll be skiing Baker next year (pray 4 snow).

I haven't tried the 190 but I've tried skis over 187 and felt like they're too much for my dainty frame (I'm only 160 lbs) (I know that they ski short due to the massive rocker tho). Is this a case of me being too in my head?

Obligatory WC 108 send pic:

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Straight tape on my 190 kitties is 187.


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I’m 160lbs and the 190 Wildcat felt very very nimble. I’ve skied the 184 and that was fun and playful as well.

I’d buy a 196 if a got another pair.

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Originally Posted by Jvhowube

Am I crazy for wishing the Wildcat came in a 186-187 instead of 184/190? I have 108s in 184 which are amazing for anything from 4-10", but on deep days I find myself wishing for something a touch longer than the 184 WC116. The 184 116 worked well enough at Steamboat because nothing there is steep - I'll be skiing Baker next year (pray 4 snow).

I haven't tried the 190 but I've tried skis over 187 and felt like they're too much for my dainty frame (I'm only 160 lbs) (I know that they ski short due to the massive rocker tho). Is this a case of me being too in my head?

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I’m 160lbs and the 190 Wildcat felt very very nimble. I’ve skied the 184 and that was fun and playful as well.

I’d buy a 196 if a got another pair.

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Might've just been the long skis I tried being too chargy (188 Anima, 188 Cochise) - I imagine I'd be fine on the 190s and definitely like them more for the steepness of Baker. I might just be fixating on the number too much.

I am about to pull the trigger on a set of countachs to replace my wc108’s but. Before doing so I wanted to know how much more aggressive the CT is and if it needs to be going all the time, or can you slow it down when skiing with the wife and still have some fun with it? For reference, I would categorize the wc as a 6 on the charginess scale is the CT going to be an 11 or is the difference there but not insane.

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Originally Posted by Kevo

Mount on the line and IMHO detune tip and tail to the point where you can still carve but also pivot a bit
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Where is that point specifically do you think? I’m also still vacillating between on the line and -1cm. My inbounds skis are Blanks mounted at -8 from center and boot forward lean, and binding delta will be similar between the two setups, so going -6 from center maybe makes both setups ski same ish?

Skis are on the way.

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Originally Posted by soupcan66

I am about to pull the trigger on a set of countachs to replace my wc108’s but. Before doing so I wanted to know how much more aggressive the CT is and if it needs to be going all the time, or can you slow it down when skiing with the wife and still have some fun with it? For reference, I would categorize the wc as a 6 on the charginess scale is the CT going to be an 11 or is the difference there but not insane.

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Never skied the WC but you can ski the Countach at all speeds. I skied with the kids and the wife on them and they were great. They don’t require speed but when the kids and wife go in for a break you can let them rip. They are not an 11 unless you want them to be.

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Originally Posted by zion zig zag

Where is that point specifically do you think? I’m also still vacillating between on the line and -1cm. My inbounds skis are Blanks mounted at -8 from center and boot forward lean, and binding delta will be similar between the two setups, so going -6 from center maybe makes both setups ski same ish?

Skis are on the way.

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I detune mine with a gummy stone to a little bit inboard of the contact points at tip and tail.

I'd highly recommend mounting on the line given the triple camber- DW/ DWT can supposedly get hooky if mounted off the line.

When I got the DWT it was the most forward mounted ski that I had ever owned or skied. On my first run on them everything just kinda clicked. I've gone back and forth between the DWT/ DW and more traditionally mounted skis with the same boots without issue and I love the DWT on the line.

Fyi - some relatively cheap 184 wildcats on Lone Pine Gear Exchange with two prior mounts

2023 Moment Wildcat *2 Mounts* – Lone Pine Gear Exchange (lonepinegearx.com)


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I just posted up a pair of 179 DW for my old man in gear swap if anyone is looking.

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Originally Posted by waxloaf

Fyi - some relatively cheap 184 wildcats on Lone Pine Gear Exchange with two prior mounts

2023 Moment Wildcat *2 Mounts* – Lone Pine Gear Exchange (lonepinegearx.com)


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Already gone...

That was quick! Hope a mag got em


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I'm looking for 184 Deathwishes if for some reason anyone is selling a pair

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Originally Posted by soupcan66

I am about to pull the trigger on a set of countachs to replace my wc108’s but. Before doing so I wanted to know how much more aggressive the CT is and if it needs to be going all the time, or can you slow it down when skiing with the wife and still have some fun with it? For reference, I would categorize the wc as a 6 on the charginess scale is the CT going to be an 11 or is the difference there but not insane.

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You can 100% slow down on the CT. Tighter radius, taper and the lighter weight help quite a bit. I would also say that you can turn them up to 8... 11 is a lot lol

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Originally Posted by soupcan66

I am about to pull the trigger on a set of countachs to replace my wc108’s but. Before doing so I wanted to know how much more aggressive the CT is and if it needs to be going all the time, or can you slow it down when skiing with the wife and still have some fun with it? For reference, I would categorize the wc as a 6 on the charginess scale is the CT going to be an 11 or is the difference there but not insane.

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Have both. I was doing toddler laps on CT a week back. No discernable fun difference at low low speed, and it is a much more versatile ski with better soft chop/pow experience by a lot. WC108 more fun to look at though...