That's mint. Lengths??Quote:
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That's mint. Lengths??Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Marshal will release it soon enough. Very amenable lengthS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeleBeaver
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ya! 184/177 for the BC90Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
ill post all the specs for everything on Monday!
The Rossi Sickle is my favourite ski of all time. So much so I’ve got many pairs now since I couldn’t find anything I liked more for a Kicking Horse daily driver. They were my vote to Marshall for the next ski to inspire his HL project.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNW Lifer
In a few words they are easy, versatile and fun. They excel at being entertaining, predictable and slashy in pow. They rip on groomers with a long effective edge (almost no taper) and medium radius side cut (21m) they ski switch most excellently in deep pow or groomed runs. I don’t spin much more than 180s but at -6 set back they are well balanced. They are playful and chargy, in that order. I think their best quality is their versatility. They might not be the best ski for a certain condition but they are a great ski for all conditions.
Oh, it's the Sickle? (But like, legally, it's not)Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
I never understood the attraction of no camber in an every day ski. I guess I'd have to try it. Seems like on crust and icy patches it'd be scary.
Haven't kept track on this thread much since being over on the FL113 thread. Saw the email come out last night/today. FR110 it will be called? 186? Will be not-so-patiently waiting for the specs on Monday. If this is full reverse like Volkl used to make then I'm like way way way way way in.
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Originally Posted by meter-man
I'll add some notes too since I daily drive the sickle and am super hyped for the FR110.Quote:
Originally Posted by skisurfmirth
Versatile and fun while still being able to charge is what makes the Sickle excellent. Playful, but stable when you need it and any turn shape you can think of. Ripping 25m turns on fresh groomed? No problem. Variable zipper crust? Also, no problem. Jump turns into a firm straight line into funky pow? Definitely no problem. Tail end of a 50" cycle's soft chop? Perfect.
I've had (and have) other skis that do certain things better than the Sickle but I've never found another ski that is as much fun in so many different types of conditions. It's a unicorn ski for versatility as long as conditions are somewhat soft and you treat groomers as a way to get to and from the rest of the terrain on a mountain.
The thing I'm most excited about HL bringing the Sickle back is that they are a little longer (at 6' 185 geared up I've found myself wanting a bit more length occasionally since they straight pull to 182 in the longest size) and a better finish. The original sickle might have the thinnest base and edge material of all time. Just look at it wrong and it falls apart.
I'm 100% going to buy the FR 110 but I am also interested in the C110. I've wondered if the same shape in a carbon construction would be rad for mid winter touring here. We do lots of noodle pow touring while avalanche conditions are dangerous and I've yet to find a ski that does that well but also can charge when conditions get safer.
Shit am I really going to buy two brand new skis next year? I guess so
Doesn't not having camber also take away a lot of shock absorption?
Yes and no. I’ve had stiff high camber skis that buck like a bronco. Unless you load them hard on every turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Similar to many DPS skis. You had to load them hard. Whereas metal flat skis would let you relax through the chunder.
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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
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Depends. My flat camber/rocker Corvus will load on edge on firm snow and provide suspension. In 3d snow they have plenty of suspension. Same with my RavensQuote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
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I guess it depends where you ski. Crust/icy is very very rare unless trying to ski re-frozen stuff at 9am in April inbounds. 95% of the time any of the reverse with sidecut skis I have owned can do it all including rail on groomers.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
I've been a reverse fanboy since the Spatula and rarely ski cambered skis. On really firm snow I will ski the BMX105 HP. Otherwise, I am flat/rocker or reverse all day everyday.
I've converted a few friends over the past few years and after about 3 or 4 laps they are pretty much selling all their regular cambered skis.
I've come to the conclusion that I really just need / want 2 every day skis. As long as things are even a little bit soft, I love reverse camber skis. You don't need suspension, because the suspension's in the snow. They don't produce an energetic exit from a carved turn, but I don't really care about that if the snow quality is good - energetic carving is for low tide.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
I still like having a (cambered) ski that works well on firmer snow though. With a winter like we're having in whitefish where most days we've been right on the line between pleasantly soft and kinda firm and crusty, I tend to bring both skis to the hill. But I end up skiing my reverse cambers a lot more often, because they're super fun.
I think this FR110 is some of the best news in YEARS. I, personally, don't have any interest in them but at least now we won't have to listed to the Sickle fanboys whimper for another decade about how there isn't a replacement for their Sickles.
Maybe you get less crust and refrozen junk up at Whitefish than we do at Snowbowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Yeah. The upside of Whitefish being cloudy 98% of the time is that the sun doesn't mess up the snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
But I will say, full reverse makes zipper crust a whole lot more fun to ski.
OK! Hi everyone, a little earlier than originally planned, but well... today is the day!
Launching the Fall '23 preorders for the Freeride and Carbon skis. A few quick comments:
- I am making deposits with the factory now, so that we can secure an earlier production slot this year. I expect skis to ship to everyone approx Nov 15 to Dec 1st as of now.
- I have some test skis coming approx April 1st and will publish specs/weights/etc as soon as I have em.
- The 132, 113, and Raceroom skis have turned out exactly how I had hoped and are coming back unchanged for next year. There are a couple pair of these skis left for ship right away as well... availability on the site is up to date.
- We are adding new shapes along to the mix: a 110mm reverse camber surfy ski built around a -6 mount, a directional 105mm daily driver, and a 90mm shape specifically designed for fast and efficient BC action.
- I am offering FREE SHIPPING on 2+ pair of skis ordered (through March 1st). Use the code PreOrderFreeShip to access that!
- Longer term, if this round goes well, I am planning to add shorter lengths on a few models. Please email/dm me with interest if so inclined.
- Pre-order price is $699+ship on both the freeride and carbon skis until the spring when the pre-order closes (est. April 15 to May 1st)
- I will only produce 1-2 extra pair of skis of each model beyond what is pre-ordered. So honestly, now is the time.
Preorders are now open... please feel free to visit www.heritagelabskis.com
MEET THE BC90
After skiing a huge host of light touring skis, I fell in love with the efficiency, loved the best skis in the class' ability to pivot and slarve, but generally came away with utter disappointment in skiing across the rest of the touring skis out there. The BC90 is my expression of the ultimate touring ski. crazy nimble, great float for the wdith, and very competent in challenging skin tracks due to the smallest amount of camber.
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MEET THE BC110
One thing that really stuck out to me in my investigations of the best touring skis, was that highly rockered skis are amazing on the down, but fully rockered leaves a lot to be desired on tough skin tracks. The modern 110 shape (designed around a -6cm ski waist) is built with high quality carbon, a very progressive rocker profile, and the bare minimum of camber to dramatically save time and energy on the up.
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MEET THE C105
For those seeking a more directional ride than the 110, the 105 is a skinnier BC daily driver based on the 113 rocker profile (small flat spot with (1mm camber). I see this as the ideal 1 ski touring quiver for bigger mountains that get modest snowfall.
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MEET THE FL105
This ski is really to compliment the FL113. Designed to have best-in-class suspension and edge bite, without overly sacrificing soft snow good times, this is an everyday freeride ski for those that like to ski the mountain like they are angry at it, and the perfect compliment for the FL113 powder crusher.
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MEET THE FR110
Yes... the silent masses have finally been heard. This is the return of the progressively shaped, reverse camber daily driver. Edge and rocker profiles carefully designed to fully engage as the ski is arc'd. It was very important to me that this ski has enough mass to mow down rough snow to accentuate super smooth drift.
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I want them all, hype train is boarding!!
Super cool Marshal! Lots of rubber in the 110 I hope? :)
Haha, that’s true. But the Krypton Whimpering is just beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
Hmmm c105+c132=extremely versatile touring quiver....
Yes, exactly. Same material schedule as the FR132 and FL113 (and the new FL105 of course!)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
"all that and a bag of chips"Quote:
Originally Posted by ASP
My days of riding a ski like that 105 needs to be ridden are probably behind me (I did love my T2s when those were a thing).. but those are some nice looking sticks Marshal.
Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
^^ One is never too old to feel the need... For speed!
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Fuck yeah. I'm in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
As a side note, I think the text on the FR110 page needs updating. It appears to be the FL113 description.
Yikes, good looking out! updated. thanks manQuote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
Sure thing. Just put my order in. Psyched for these!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
I probably should've gotten some FL105's too, but my old LP105's are still kicking so that quiver slot is covered for now.
But surely you do not have a comparable ski with a 35m radius, sir? However, sure you'll enjoy Le Sick [emoji2400]. Looking forward to those myself!Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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Well, I'm not quite man enough for the 192's, so I'd be on the 185's. Which has very, very similar dimensions to my 184 LP105's.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
Which has me pretty psyched. I love my Dynastars, but they're not gonna last forever. So it's pretty awesome that there's a viable replacement on the market.
@toast - i am very much with your earlier statement about 2 DD skis though.
I feel like, depending on the skier, some iteration of FL113, FR110, FL105 is a great western two ski setup.
Maybe it is FL113 for deep days that get chopped up fast and FL105 for high pressure.
maybe it is FR110 for soft days and FL105 for hardpack
Maybe it is FL113 for charging and FR110 for woods and goofing
etc.
But they are all designed to fit together in this way! Certainly how I will use them.
Complimented by BC90, C113, C132 of course, haha
Tongue in cheek spirit didn't transfer all that great, sorry. Very much looking forward to both the 110s and both lengths of the 105s, for different uses. [emoji846]Quote:
Originally Posted by toast2266
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Interesting the carbon 110 has some camber compared to the FR.
Get the rationale for some cambered skin track stability but wondering how much that sacrifices the reverse camber magic.
Personally been searching for a lighter, skinnier protest or lighter hoji and had thought this might be the ticket.
Edit - memory failed me. Protests do have a smidge of camber so perhaps my fears here are unwarranted
Dammit... I don't get to ski enough to want so many of these skis but I do.
I'd also like to say that I think the graphics on these skis are absolutely stellar, IMO.
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Good conversation here! Very similar % and amount of camber as the Protest, yes indeed. If there are enough people to warrant it, I can certainly press them from the reverse mold as a limited run.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleT
From my perspective, this shape in the reverse mold will not skin any better than the 132, so that that point, why not just go R/R??? But yeah, I am pretty biased towards skiing the 132 as much as possible already! haha.