Sender squad for the mortals maybe?
Exciting!
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Sender squad for the mortals maybe?
Exciting!
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As much as I love the big brand ski producers, I really wish they’d speak to me like I was a human being.
Diagofiber.
2ble Damp Tech.
WTF are you talking about? = I’m now being lied to and no longer trust you.
Rossi needs to learn how to suck a dick.
Salomon learned. K2 learned. Both of them have had major comebacks in gaining skier trust.
Rossi is still this stupid 25yo marketing guy who is trying to fool the industry in some mad scientist new build.
Rossi needs to man-up and have the balls to say what they are building. They keep everything a secret.
(Black Ops— it’s a secret)
We’re all trying to peddle your gear here. If you stop belittling us, maybe we’ll connect on a communicative scale and make your shit famous.
Until then—
Diagofiber.
PS— your marketing team should be fired.
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Originally Posted by gaijin
Give me real and useful information or shut the fuck up. I think Rossignol (and a few others) needs to contract Marshal Olson to help on the marketing end of things.
I’m with you. The continually revising and hyping the terminology for standard components seems pathetically inauthentic to me. It’s such bullshit, but we obviously aren’t the target market. There must be a perverse strategy of some type at play - these people aren’t skiers, they lie to sell widgets (Rossi’s CEO came up through Amazon and Rubbermaid).Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
(Thread drift) My remote BC ski resort is controlled by an American cosmetics/real estate shyster, and the creative lipstick on a pig nonsense he comes up with every year trying to con wealthy tourists just boggles the mind.
It is a brand-new Boa, co-developed with several brands, much beefier and with a real steel cable instead of "thread" - tension over the top of the foot is remarkably even when cranked down. If they don't break and don't get knocked off, it could be great.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
Somehow saying…Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
- metal binding retention plate
- recycled plastic
- carbon fiber/weave
- wood core
- rubber layer
…doesn’t seem quite as cool.
As long as they don’t have carbon tips that are “pingy” when skied, right? [emoji6]
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I saw the Salomon. Cable looks great and people who tried it on say the fit over the forefront is uniquely good. The knob to tighten seems like a joke - designed to fall off in a crash and you’d have to carry a replacement with you. Guess we’ll see if it takes or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregL
Well think of it as just grabbing one off the ground when it gets fully implemented across all boots. No need for spares when the resort will be littered with them eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD12
Still, boa doesn't make sense to me. I need loose boots over the two lower buckles and tight around the cuff. Instead of evenly tightQuote:
Originally Posted by gregL
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If the BOA dial gets hit hard enough, it will release from its base plate. When that happens, it is still attached to the cable and therefore the boot. You just pop it back on, no tools needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD12
I won't be showing anything yet, but this BOA system is unlike anything else from BOA that you have experience with. The new BOA system is similar to other BOAs in name & basic concept only. It is purposefully built for alpine boots with a stronger gear ratio & thicker cable to properly wrap thick, hard plastic- and wrap more efficiently & effectively than buckles. It’s also the only BOA system in hardgoods that allows for micro adjust tightening AND loosening. Go one click to far? Now you can back it off as opposed to needing to fully pop it open (which is still an option). It really is an interesting step in the right direction.
Atomic has been involved since its inception and we have had it on snow since 2018 - 4 full years of real world testing. As someone who also normally runs his shell buckles pretty loose, this is something that you will need to put on and feel the difference for yourself.
BOA has been developing it for 5+ years. It definitely is not just a scaling up your normal dial. As someone with a stupid high instep vs the rest of my foot volume I'm interested to try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenBC
*edit* didn't see Matt's post but everything he said I second. Also look at your inbounds boots and see how much scuffing/ scrapes you have on the lateral side vs the medial side.
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Originally Posted by onenerdykid
I like the look and sound of this. Robust mechanism protected by a raised boss, on a part of the boot that is less exposed than traditional lower buckles. Looking forward to seeing it in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejj
Fact. And I know the people that like and buy into this marketing vomit.Quote:
Originally Posted by kootenayskier
This is where I am. Forefoot tightness or snugness isn't an issue and usually shouldn't be for most people. It's locked down one's ankle and heel. So by that, I wonder what BOA is solving, other that looking cool and saving some buckles?Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
Could not agree more. Every one of the Touring boots I have used with a z-cable or a boa system have been an exercise in disapointment reduction as I don't want my forefoot tightened, I want my heel locked. With equal pressure through out a continous wire/cable, you can't relax where needed or tighten where needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig
I've found quite the opposite with BOA equipped touring boots. It works much better at getting my foot locked down without smashing the crap out of my tall instep. Which is a tricky thing to do since the easiest way to contain a foot and keep your heel locked in is stabilizing and holding down the navicular bone. So with most ski boots that normally means excessive pressure and/or using laces on my liners when touring to avoid heel blisters.Quote:
Originally Posted by wantriot
Ski boots and mid cut shoes work also by capturing your ankle/lower tibia and reducing mobilization to hold/ stabilize your heel. IE tight cuff loose clog. But by itself isn't as effective as locking that navicular + ankle/ tibia stabilization.
I've been in some shops where the employees are always talking about how light certain boots are. I can't understand why you would want light boots in bounds but I guess this appeals to some people. Wonder if that's the direction they were going with boa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig
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This new BOA system isn't about being lighter at all- it's actually heavier than the buckles it replaces. It really is all about creating a better wrap and a better fit. And I say that as someone who historically runs his shell buckles loose. I honestly never wanted a tighter fit in the forefoot, I never wanted/needed that. This just wraps better and it is something you need to have on your foot to feel the difference. To be able to better wrap the foot without crushing it is a feeling I have not had in any ski boot prior to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by fleaches
Hmmm… gonna need BOA on a Lange RS130 to see if it holds water.
My micro adjustments of both front buckles on a stiff shell makes me weary of a one-pressure-to-solve-it-all solution.
Makes more sense on a 3-piece shell or a softer last on a touring rig.
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If an alpine boot releases a BOA solution, then you can expect a drunk gaijin rant.
Doubt that’s happening though. So you can read my previous post with a spoonful of salt.
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Yes, this is what interests me... the firm but gentle wrap, with wider pressure distribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by onenerdykid
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Originally Posted by gaijin
As someone who likes to have a tight toe buckle, and a looser instep buckle I can't see how this works for me. It's a one size fits all pressure distribution. I know it's a different redesigned system, but I absolutely hated the boa on my Scarpa F1's with the hard plastic overlap. Did nothing and I could never get it tight enough.
I rarely buckle my toes, not sure I could handle all that support
Having worked with BOA professionally, I can tell you that just slapping BOA on a piece of footwear where it wasn't designed for doesn't lead to the same enhancement than if you design the piece of footwear to maximize the BOA system. Been there, seen those projects fail. Also just because it is a single cable doesn't mean you can't have different levels of tension in the different zones. Part of developing a BOA project is tuning how much friction each BOA "eyelet" puts on the cable which helps to isolate tension in different zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
I am far from a shill for BOA. Had projects be sunk by "failed" integration or the cost of BOA. Was pretty bummed when I literally tore the entire side of my Specialized shoes open when the turret failed to pop off in a crash. Sometimes laces and velcro is the best solution, sometimes BOA can do a better job.
I'm just saying hold your tongue before you actually try it.
Guessing that blow out was caused by the lack of stretch in the boa system vs laces?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
This BOA idea sounds great as I’m also a loose forefoot buckle guy. Would like a nice even snug fit vs the pressure at toes then pressure at instep, which gets skied 95% of the time undone.
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Nope, didn't have anything to do with the cable, turret didn't pop off. Can't quite tell in the photo but it popped out about 2/3's of the stitches on the upper BOA as well and the material between the upper and lower dial. But I went back and bought the exact same shoe cause I'll take BOA on cycling shoes ANY day over laces or velcro. Running and hiking shoes less so.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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Ahh, impact! I’ve noticed that some of my BOA lace wading boots had more stress applied to the fabric from what seemed like less give than from a normal laces system.
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QST Echo looks like the ski that Cody Townsend has been prototyping last season for the Fifty? I wonder what the weight is.Quote:
Originally Posted by m7b51e
I just wish they’d make the sender squad in a 187. It’s the only good ski they’ve made in forever and they only offer it in one size. The 194 is ok at the bird but too much ski for Alta.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
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Whoa… the BO118 is pretty good. They should make it in a 196 for da big guys though. And for gods sake a replacement for the sickle already!Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Seriously, the layup on that ski is so fucking good.Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
The BO118 is great aswell, but we need a 190+ there.
Rossi needs:
187 Sender Squad
192 BO118
186 & 192 Black ops 108-110 which they dont fuck up so it can be a sickle replacement.
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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Correct; naming products for multiple languages is tricky. Them opting to put the 110 in the 'Sender' series seems odd to me, since I am almost 100% certain that's the 'Blackops 108' everyone's been waiting for (skinnier 118), which makes more sense as a Blackops ski than a Sender ski since it's twinned and pretty center mounted, but I imagine it has something to do with the fact that it'll be marketed more as a 'freeride' ski than a 'freestyle' ski. The protos were very forward mounted and reminiscent of the 118; way more tail rockered and symmetrical than the Sender Ti or Sender Squad. Only bummer (selfishly) is the lengths — I believe they're similar to the big-gap options of the Blackops 98. Though the 190+ model should be on your radar for sure. I think the announcement will come in late January or February.
Interesting they eliminated the Enforcer 115 Free and brought in an Unleashed 114. Probably makes more sense as a comp ski. Cool they added lengths instead of the 191 only size in the Free 115.Quote:
Originally Posted by mff353
I skied with someone from the ski industry yesterday. Word is that they're gonna discontinue the Krypton. I hope that's just rumors.
Pics from newschoolers. Its got a new design and name but still a 98mm last Cabrio boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by teosickrider
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Yep, but the pin inserts are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eluder
I'm pretty sure the pins were only there so the Krypton could have Gripwalk soles without making a new clog. Just a bandaid for them that happened to benefit a small amount of end users that would be better served with a lupo that skied as well the Krypton.Quote:
Originally Posted by teosickrider
Potentially also too much overlap with Rustler 11s to keep the Enforcer 115?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jtlange
Supposedly new Rustlers out very soon, couple weeks. 10 coming in 192.