Second this. Cabrio boots are going to feel vague. They suckQuote:
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Second this. Cabrio boots are going to feel vague. They suckQuote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
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Not so fast, for the big/wide foot-ankle crowd with skinny legs proportionally, Cabrios are the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Agreed, I’ll edit my previous comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
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Still gonna feel super vague compared to any plug boot.
I have one day on my Rustler 11s mounted at +1.8cm. I have a short bsl (287mm) and typically am +1cm relative to most mounts I read about. Skied em with Dalbello Krypton 130 boots.
The R11s felt very maneuverable and quick. Even in tight bumps cause off the soft tips/tails. Great on groomers too.
Don’t think I would want to be any farther forward though (just a spidey sense I was as far forward as I could/should be?)
Didn’t find any pow for them so no feedback on tip dive.
I think the Rustler 11 is a great ski for most of those resort days where you ski everything (groomers, steeps, trees, crud, chalky, mank, slush, packed pow etc) AFTER the storms and lots is already skied out.
So the R11 is not a blower untouched pow ski....but it’s a perfect Whistler inbounds ski? Glad to have it in my quiver (also have Faction 5.0s and 4.0s and J Metals).
So, what’s about the new Blizzard freeride line (Bonafide, Cochise, etc.)? Would anybody share some insights with us?
Apparently, the skis can be spotted someplaces.
Ooo Couchsurfing give us the deets
Just to respond to Blizzard Rustler 11 owners saying they get tip dive in pow? Just skied my 2019 180 cm Rustler 11’s, mounted at +2cm (-6 cm from tc) in shin to knee deep, pretty untouched pow and they were great. No tip dive. At all. Nice and balanced in the pow. And I’m even at the upper end of weight range...175 lbs vs my normal 165 lbs? It wasn’t super light blower pow but it was pretty good. Really happy with these in the quiver. And at the +2cm mount they are quick/nimble and super maneuverable. Just my 2 cents. Actually only 1.53 cents Cdn.
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I took my 192 Rustler 11s on a hut trip outside of McCall Idaho with the week before dropping ~5 ft. of blower untouched pow and they operated like a dream. I’m approx. 170-175 at 6’2. I gave em up this year because they were on their third mount with frame bindings and I was looking to switch to CAST.
I love the Rustler 11. I dream of riding that ski and never had issues with it diving under snow. When I get a chance I’ll throw up pics from the trip. I do plan on purchasing another 192 when I get a chance, probably mounting it up with CAST as well because I don’t mind touring on em and I’ll have a pair of skins that fit perfectly.
but oh so comfy, for sure in comparison to a plug....i personally never really got super into the "feel" and power transmission part of skiing. I've skied a wide range of boots, some felt better than others, all got me down the hill just fine. I just like going skiing. Mediocrity for me all the way i guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
Skis I will use this season (have not skied the Rustlers yet):
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I've got a few more days on my 188 Rustler 11's. Mostly bad snow plus a little powder on top of refrozen shit. Such and easy yet competent ski. They can feel a little turny on hard snow compared to my other skis (Cochise, Zero G 108, GPO's) so I need to remind myself to initiate more gently the first few turns. But on 3D snow they track nicely until I tell them to do otherwise. I think almost any decent skier could get along with these in the right length/conditions.
I for one don't think they are any kind of replacement for the Cochise, however, they are a very nice complement. Cochise for harder snow and open spaces. Rustler for softer snow and trees.
New Brahma, Bonafide, Cochise and Black Pearls.Quote:
Originally Posted by roQer
Brahma, Bonafide and Black Pearls get a new construction that's really interesting. It's centered around a new wood
core that is totally different and took a long time to figure out how to develop. It allows us to control the flex of the ski
in ways we've never done before and improve the feel and performance at both ends of the spectrum. They all get
new sidecuts, rocker profiles etc. I think a lot of people on here will be pretty stoked on the new Cochise. The present
one just was never right. It lost so much of what people loved about the first one. This one takes everything we're learned
about sidecut, flex, construction to try to create a more modern version of the super versatile ski that we originally launched. Proof is in the pudding of course but hopefully people can get out on them this spring and see for themselves. Nothing will be available for purchase (at least here in NA) this spring but there will be a bunch to demo.
Looking forward to this with reservations. OG cochise is my favorite ski of all time and still my everyday ski. Never liked the revamped cochise of a couple years ago. That's why I have 3 sets of OG cochise just in case.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
I really like the current cochise in the 192 so I’m to give the new one a shot!
Is the Bodacious sticking around?Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
How does a guy get a deal on a pair of 188 Rustler 11s? Asking for me : )
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Originally Posted by kc_7777
I have the 192s, I think it's the opposite for me. They are my deep pow ski and when it's chooped up they do great. When it's hardpack, I wish I had a different ski. They are fun on groomers though!
If you ski fast and make quick turns you will 'get' the need for quick power transmission, especailly on hard pack, moguls, etc. Nothing wrong with getting comfy boots, but once you go from slop to tight, you should have an 'oh shit' moment. Unless you ski slow maybe not then? And I'm not saying slow is bad it's a relative term...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
Hope you get a chance to get out on them this spring. There will be some demos floating around and the end of seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by cbgarrett
demo at Alta. New one takes a lot of inspiration from the original. This ski went through a lot of testing and validation by athletes (Marcus and Johan specifically) who obviously have spent a ton of time on that ski and like you really loved the first
gen. It's way for fun and maneuverable at slower speeds when you're just trying to pivot or starve the ski, similar to the OG. However it has a more modern tip shape that makes it float a bit better in softer snow than the OG, which we all know was it's biggest downfall. It's not a light ski and still has 2.5 sheets of metal so when you tip it up and want to charge it's all there but its waaaaay more nimble at slower speeds and in tight spaces than the present one. The new sidecut profile makes it easier to release the turn and we've really learned a lot from Rustler on how to manipulate the flex of the tips and tails to make the skis more forgiving without sacrificing performance at the high end.
Is it cambered or flat ?
From blister:
2020-2021 Blizzard Cochise 106
Available Lengths: 177, 185, 192 cm
Stated Dimensions (specific length not provided): 137.5-106-124.5 mm
Stated Sidecut Radii (for respective lengths): 22.5, 24, 26 meters
That sounds badass. Any idea on tip and tail splay? Camber underfoot or flat?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Hun... 192 Cm with a 26m radius? That perks my interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
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2mm camber per skiQuote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
Chins are being scratched all around
I’d buy one right this second if I could
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I’m waiting until I see the new Katana.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaytaeMoney
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I like the cut of your jib.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuntmanbo
That will be a tough one btw new Cochise and Katana. TGR gear whores will go for both, surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Was hoping there will be a 188 version of the new Cochise, like Rustler 11. The OG 193 Cochise was kinda cumbersome in tight places. A true 185 might work as well, though.
I’ll probably have to add the new Cochise to my quiver with the Rustler 11s and an Amplid Infrablack so 106-115-126 would be perfect.
Anyone have any idea what the new wooden core material is or just fuck it because it’s got 2.5 sheets of metal in it?
I would say that the current Cochise is a better ski than the original. But the Original is a better Cochise. A marriage of those two with slightly better float would be A+.
+1 on the float part
Anybody read the Blister Flash review on new Cochise? I heard the reviewer thought the new iteration is more locked in and not as „any turn shape possible“ as the OG version and even less than the 2nd gen.
Would be a bummer.
Still have two sets of the OG Cochise, but rarely ski them anymore. Didn’t jive with the new one as it demanded too much and made Western WA resorts feel too small. Have loved the Rustler 11, so hoping they revive the Cochise brand.
I have largely moved on though. I feel like Nordica took lessons from Blizzard but made skis that are very high performance while still so accessible to so many skiers. I feel like they have embraced that market shift toward “something just a little easier and less demanding”. I feel like Blizzard has not kept up as well there.
Nordica is the accessable Blizzard brand.
I know. I see a lot of Rustlers/Sheevas on people’s feet and the occasional Bonafide and Brahma, but I see a ton of Enforcers and Santa Ana’s. I haven’t seen a newer Cochise in forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
If people ask my recommendation for skis and they aren’t the Rustler 11 type, I do NOT think I would recommend any other Blizzard ski over an equivalent Nordica model.
I'm not a member but was that "flash review" conducted at Jackson Hole at our media event in December? I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by roQer
it was.
I'd agree in part with that statement but not all of it.
The original Bonafide, Cochise, Bushwhacker, and even Bodacious had sidecuts that were essentially really wide carving ski sidecuts. Let's face it we're an Austrian brand, at the time that sidecut concept or idea was kinda all we really knew. Since then everyones has learned a lot more about sidecut, and especially matching flex to sidecut.
If you were arcing on groomers it was kind of cool how many different radiuses you could make with the OG Cochise (and still to this day a lot of our skis I think). If you wanted to really stand on your boots in the middle of the turn it was pretty cool how far you could push the radius and the ski would continue to bend and grip without letting go.
2nd gen was in my opinion, and a lot of peoples, a step back. In concept it was designed to be easier but sections of the ski were just too stiff, both longitudinally and torsionally. The skis became trucks. They went fast well but were a lot of work in tighter more variable conditions. Harder to maintain your balance. I think they were a step in the right direction when it came to float. The new rocker profile and tip shape did help that but it still could have been better.
The new one has a sidecut that is for lack of a better word, more freeride in its design. You probably can't make quite as many radiuses on groomers as you could with the old one. I haven't skied on the original one in a long long time and really didn't get to spend too much time on it as I shattered my leg when those things came out and really couldn't ski much for 2 years. When you're on firmer snow, got the skis tipped up, and ideally arcing at high speed I think the new one feels more solid on the snow. The phrase I've come up with is they feel like they're locked to the snow but not locked in the turn. Where you might not be able to push the "radius" as much as the OG design just due to how the sidecut is laid out I feel like they're super easy to shut down, throw sideways, break free certainly more than Gen 2. The biggest thing I noticed is when you're skiing bumps or crud, or steep terrain where you're not arcing or really tipping the skis up it's really easy to manipulate the ski. I feel like I'm much less likely to get out of balance and have to fight to get back. Way easier to recover in steep variable terrain. A lot of that has to do with the sidecut, less of a "carving ski" sidecut design.
There are essentially 3-5 different radiuses in most of the skis we make depending on the model (might be more in some I'm not sure). These new Cochise have a little less radius in the tail than the last two which helps them release. They're not "pin tailed" but they do have less sidecut in certain areas of the ski.
The new Cochise does not get the True Blend core that Bonafide, Brahma, and Black Pearl get. They were tested with that core and they were just too heavy. It has a core similar to Rustler 11.
I really haven't skied the new ski in pow yet so I can't really comment on how it performs. It should perform better than both. It's not drastically different than the last gen in shape but it is in flex so in theory it should plane a bit better. The ski is now 2mm narrower under foot FWIW.
As far as Nordica vs. Blizzard goes. They're supposed to be different by design. For certain people they will definitely be better, for others not so much. Nordicas tend to have more of everything, more sidecut, rocker, and camber. Blizzard tends to be a little more conservative in all of those areas.
There's a reason you don't see many Cochise skis out there....we presently don't sell any. Maybe 1/10th of the number when it first came out and Blizzard was almost an unknown brand in the US at that time. I think that number will increase dramatically with this gen but not sure it will approach those numbers that it first had? Not sure
Nordica being successful and selling a lot of skis is great for both brands.
^ All of that really has my interest piqued in regards to the new cochise. I’m not a fan of 110 underfoot so seeing this ski come in at 106 has me excited. Sounds like a perfect compliment to my x106, which is a super fun ski but does show it’s limits in heavy chopped snow. Currently looking for a damp, metal, mid 20’s radius 106 charger with some newer shape. This looks to fit that. Plus the straighter side cut in the tail sounds money. One of my favorite skis of all time, that i own and love, shares that same attribute.
As far as the Blizzard cochise being different from the Nordica enforcer, that’s a great thing. It will reward strong technical skiers. There are enough easy going skis out there, x106 being one of them, though it can haul ass when called upon. Good to see a charger being built in this waist width.
Point to add in. When Blizzard and Blister were in Jackson testing skis, we hadn’t gotten snow in a while. I had been on my Brahmas (last years) a ton.
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